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Re: Internal mics question
« Reply #255 on: October 08, 2017, 04:04:22 PM »
Thats tough.  Not sure any of the 3 are appealing.

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Re: Internal mics question
« Reply #256 on: October 09, 2017, 08:55:02 AM »
After you guys figure out how to get the 1 Tascam hand held recorder set up correctly then you will be ready for the next step. Running 4 Tascam hand held recorders at the same time plus shooting vid on 3 phone cameras while getting stank on your hang low with middle aged midwestern womens. Any effort short of this will result in a recording that is 75/85% as good as an elite stand taper recording.

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Re: Internal mics question
« Reply #257 on: October 09, 2017, 01:59:37 PM »
Scooter there must be more magic than that to make an internals recording sound A+.  If that was the csse any clown could do it, not  just one.  I have an extra DR-2D and willing to run if for a comp if I get those magical setting.  How to point the mics in that special way.  Unfortunately I am dead center in the sweet spot and dont think it works there.

It's been a while, but I think I remember Furburger detailing his technique somewhere near the beginning of this thread.  NO, I'm NOT looking for it!  If memory serves, didn't he say something about rolling off the bass (or was it low cut?), keeping the recorder in his shirt pocket and dancing directly in front of the PA.  I think the dancing is important, but I don't know what his specific moves are.  Basically, the sweet spot for sound, in his scenario, is not the sweet spot for the actual sound in the venue.  I would think it's key to remember that the height of the device is NOT at or above head height, but rather inside the crowd at chest height and the location is directly in front of the PA, probably as close as possible.  Beyond that, you may have to look up his recording info...or instructional.  :facepalm:
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Re: Internal mics question
« Reply #258 on: October 09, 2017, 07:55:39 PM »
I will have to try it next year.   :banging head:  I could always ask a drunk Wookie to do it since I am taping from the sweet spot.  This festival was the opportunity.  Lots of tapers to comp against. 

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Re: Internal mics question
« Reply #259 on: October 10, 2017, 12:18:55 PM »
Seems your kind of a fan of yourself.


based on mic-stand'r and elitist attitudes, hell to the YEAH!

why?

because ***mic stands are not necessary to obtain an excellent capture***.


neither are 4-figure microphones.


I'd feel like an idiot too if I blew all that money on something inherently unnecessary.
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Re: Internal mics question
« Reply #260 on: October 10, 2017, 12:20:26 PM »
anyone arguing internals are better than
a reall rig is just plain stupid

they are tight arses who are tight with
cashoulies and scared to carry extra gear in.

logic should be your friend not your enemy

a classic thread
thank you TS   :cheers:


I bring 2 Tascams AND a vidcam AND battery packS into a show...by myself...THRU metal detectors AND wands (same show), and have shared such methods with many here via PM.


NOT TO MENTION nowhere have I said that internals are "better than".

but they sure can be "equal to" with a bit of knowhow regarding gain, positioning and base taper logic.



try again, though I anticipate you'll fail again.
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Re: Internal mics question
« Reply #261 on: October 10, 2017, 12:23:28 PM »
Still waiting to hear an "excellent capture" from these toy mics  :iamwithstupid:
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Re: Internal mics question
« Reply #262 on: October 10, 2017, 12:28:09 PM »

"Great work and a big thank you, Steve! I wish The Crystal Ballroom had better acoustics to compliment your video."
I'm not familiar with the Crystal Ballroom, so I ask, are the acoustics there that bad that a good audio recording can't be made, or is it just that the one in question sucks enough for the commenter to remark about it?  Personally, I wouldn't have shared that one if I were Furburger, but that's just me.




comment was from one of my youtube Portland vids from last week (I ran 4 vidcams, and  4 audio decks for all 3 TMS shows in OR and WA, with many, many more to come)....and it was mp3 audio from a vid source, not from mics

the 5.1 Dolby 1080 vidsource is not compatible with youtube ("yet".....the video looks fine, but the audio is just static)....SO, the MAH/mp4 file is uploaded to youtube instead, which is cool, as it's the complete show, just at 720i with mp3 sound

which is probably why the commenter said such, not knowing youtubes upload parameters (at least for the cam I use, maybe other cams in 5.1 work with YT, but not mine)

the actual Sonics audio is up on all base sites (etree/dime/TTD). a few hundred up to 400 for each show. which is pretty good for an unknown band.

of course,  multicam full HD vids with sync'd sound are in the works.



mic stands and "audio only" are SOOOOOO late '90's.....stable video is where it's at, multi-cam even moreso


I'll take Rich Robinson and Marc Ford's ear and them being happy with what I do over what the folks are saying in this thread.


just so you know.


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Re: Internal mics question
« Reply #263 on: October 10, 2017, 12:31:16 PM »
The thing the Crystal Ballroom video is really needing is for someone to add a nice Schoeps recording made from the impact zone as the audio track.

That would be something. It really would be something.  :wink2: :wink2: :wink2:


BLAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

hit up that grumpy, crusty old fart with his Dead shirt and shitty mic stand all by himself down on the middle of the floor.

I'm sure he had shitty Schoeps or something of the like.

in typical mic stand'r fashion, I extended my hand with a warm smile and said "wow, another taper, other than SF, the first one I've seen on this journey", as I pointed to my gear up in the balcony 60m before showtime.

he said nary a word and stood there with his unkempt mane and beard and waft of "old person smell".

just like a jackass with an unfounded attitude would.

clearly, he's one of you.
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Re: Internal mics question
« Reply #264 on: October 10, 2017, 12:32:05 PM »

Some people are okay with "good enough."


and some yootoobrs are commenting on mp3 audio from a vidcam mic.....
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Re: Internal mics question
« Reply #265 on: October 10, 2017, 12:33:24 PM »

That's fine but fluffing just "good enough" when there are much better options and insulting everyone else in the process sure gets old.  The funny thing  is those making the best recordings never have to fluff them.


judging by etree, I'd say my "good enough" Sonics recordings are getting more pulls than the MBHO's, Schwepps, and most other rigs.

and that's withOUT the pulls from dime and TTD mixed in.


just so you know.
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Re: Internal mics question
« Reply #266 on: October 10, 2017, 12:34:32 PM »
[quote author=drivingwheel link=topic=182792.msg2242241#msg2242241 date=150723133
Truth - my "solid A" has been rated as "A+++++" by others; thing is, I've never been overly enamored with a recording just because I'm the one who actually hit "record"

This is a good point, and I'm glad someone brought it up.  I think, for the most part, a taper is at least slightly biased towards their own recordings.  I'm not suggesting that we can't admit that another recording is better, or acknowledge that others are just as good or better, only that we are intimately familiar with our own.  We are used to a specific sound or tone produced by the equipment that we've chosen because we like it.  I'm no exception, I like the sound I get from my equipment.  Still, I have heard plenty of recordings by others that I thought were better or equally amazing for different reasons.

In my opinion, there is a certain pride that comes with making a good recording.  We remember the situation, where we were, how and what we set up, and of course, the vibe and energy of that show.  Our recordings bring back that feeling.  It's only natural to feel strongly towards something you've made, especially if you're happy with it.  This is why I can understand Furburger's attachment to what he does...of course he takes it to a whole other level, which, let's face it, is basically ludicrous.  Still, I can understand.

Furthermore, I seriously believe that 95% of the people who are downloading our postings are clueless.  They often think they know what they're listening to or have heard of some of the equipment, but they really have no idea what we do.  I always get a kick out of the person who says they were a taper once, because they were with a friend that recorded a few shows.  Someone downloading a show is interested in hearing that show. Maybe they were there and want to have and relive that night or maybe they just like the band and that show had a solid set list, either way, they have their reasons.  More likely than not, they download and listen on inferior equipment and appreciate it on a level that many of us would laugh at, but that's cool, because they're happy.  What happens next: they may like to comment, rate, share or otherwise, what they perceive as amazing.  The thing is, they won't bother to compare.

All this being said, the average listener has no real idea what they're listening to, only that they like it, so it must be the best.
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I dig that you put a lot of thought into your responses.

wait till you see and hear some of my multi-cam TMS vids early next year.


you might change your tune somewhat, maybe even your boardname :D
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Re: Internal mics question
« Reply #267 on: October 10, 2017, 12:36:05 PM »
The secret is the bass roll off, from what I've heard.  That is crucial.

Seriously, I do grade my tapes, and the typical Schoeps is "A"  with downgrades "A-" for crowd noise or a bad location.  I've had B+ with Schoeps as well. 

I have had times when the taper Gods shined upon me and made an A+ pull.  They are few and far between.

I already posted, in this thread, a Schweppes recording that would be a "C" at best.

a muddy, lacking mids and highs mess.


talk about "fluffing", your quoted comment is absolute cotton-candy fabric-softener wrapped up in a big nimbus stratus.
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Re: Internal mics question
« Reply #268 on: October 10, 2017, 12:39:11 PM »
After you guys figure out how to get the 1 Tascam hand held recorder set up correctly then you will be ready for the next step. Running 4 Tascam hand held recorders at the same time plus shooting vid on 3 phone cameras while getting stank on your hang low with middle aged midwestern womens. Any effort short of this will result in a recording that is 75/85% as good as an elite stand taper recording.


I don't use phonecams.

and the band is happy with what I do, making these rudimentary armchair comments utterly laughable.

as for the middle-aged midwestern woman, she's 48, a buck thirty, and tighter than the two virgins I banged in my twenties who BOTH left me for 6'6" "African-American" men

of course, the mic-stand'rs will say "you have a tiny dick too Mr. Alaska".

the one with common sense will realize "that's the only way they could find bigger".

you kids keep trying, and I'll keep showing you where you are failing.
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Re: Internal mics question
« Reply #269 on: October 10, 2017, 12:39:53 PM »


It's been a while, but I think I remember Furburger detailing his technique somewhere near the beginning of this thread.  NO, I'm NOT looking for it!  If memory serves, didn't he say something about rolling off the bass (or was it low cut?), keeping the recorder in his shirt pocket and dancing directly in front of the PA.  I think the dancing is important, but I don't know what his specific moves are.  Basically, the sweet spot for sound, in his scenario, is not the sweet spot for the actual sound in the venue.  I would think it's key to remember that the height of the device is NOT at or above head height, but rather inside the crowd at chest height and the location is directly in front of the PA, probably as close as possible.  Beyond that, you may have to look up his recording info...or instructional.  :facepalm:


this post is an utter fabrication.
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