Author Topic: Round 3: V3/Oade-warm-mod-UA5 comparison AKG 480's (Read 7193 times)

teamakg · « **on:** December 17, 2003, 10:34:55 PM »

if anyone's interested. i'll post the results in a few days once a few people weigh in.

hammer away.

http://www.cs.fredonia.edu/~sisa1297/comparison/

george

ps. and the poll above is completely stolen from brian's post. it just seemed to fit so i went with it.

chase · « **Reply #1 on:** December 18, 2003, 04:59:44 AM »

after listening to the last comparison i would have to say A = ua-5 and B = V3.

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #2 on:** December 18, 2003, 06:25:42 AM »

could someone PLEASE snail mail this to me

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #3 on:** December 18, 2003, 08:53:24 AM »

Thanks for posting this, George. Looking forward to listening to it tonight!

jpschust · « **Reply #4 on:** December 18, 2003, 10:30:08 AM »

id do it but dave's voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me!

kgreener · « **Reply #5 on:** December 18, 2003, 01:07:42 PM »

"id do it but dave's voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me! "

Dude, I am sooo with you on this, I'm glad I finally found somebody else who agrees that Dave's voice is the sole reason I don't listen to DMB. It's a shame too, I really don't mind the *music* at all, it's just that when he sings is when I turn it off...

jpschust · « **Reply #6 on:** December 18, 2003, 01:10:35 PM »

for me, the dave matthews band, just like counting crows and so many others are all bands that are held back by their frontmen.

pfife · « **Reply #7 on:** December 18, 2003, 02:34:39 PM »

Quote from: jpschust on December 18, 2003, 01:10:35 PM

for me, the dave matthews band, just like counting crows and so many others are all bands that are held back by their frontmen.

Dude... I hate arguing opinions about music... but the counting crows are way worse than just their vokillist...

jpschust · « **Reply #8 on:** December 18, 2003, 02:42:38 PM »

musically they are pretty decent, their vocals, that fat bastard adam duritz is what tears that band apart for me.

Jason B · « **Reply #9 on:** December 18, 2003, 05:12:04 PM »

I am going with A being the V3 and B the U-A5. I like the A source better.

-JB

<edit> I am actually changing. I like source A, but I think it is the wmod U-A5. B is the V3.

-JB

dklein · « **Reply #10 on:** December 18, 2003, 05:45:05 PM »

I'm with 'b' for the v3 and like it best. I think the v3 and w-mod sound more unique and different in this comparison than in Brian's tests. Not sure why - maybe we could get the whole chain outlined.

What's striking is how different the two sound on those first 3 clicks of the drum sticks at the beginning of Salsbury Hill. That's really all you need to hear to tell the difference!

With headphones, 'b' had a whole different dimensional feel - voice and guitar sounded more upfront. Comparitively, it made 'a' sound like it was missing detail. That's what makes me think 'a' is the w-mod.

Now if the source was really bright - I bet you I'd prefer 'a', (I preferred the w-mod in Brian's first test).

Jason B · « **Reply #11 on:** December 18, 2003, 05:47:46 PM »

Source A seems to be punchier in the kick and low end. Source B seems to be rather smooth and detailed, but too subdued to me in the kick and lows.

noahbickart · « **Reply #12 on:** December 19, 2003, 11:50:35 AM »

One thing that I found interesting was to focus on the opening chord of "lie in our graves." I thought I heard a difference in position within the soundstage. A seemed to take up more than just the center; it was wider and deeper. Are there any pictures of the rig(s)?

Both sources sound good for what they are (e.g. stack tapes). I gave the nod to A, but to tell you the truth, I really don't know that I could identify it as either. Perhaps I don't have enough experiance listening to either of these boxes. Either way, Doug Oade has done a great job with his mods.

-Noah

Matt Quinn · « **Reply #13 on:** December 19, 2003, 11:56:41 AM »

Quote from: jpschust on December 18, 2003, 02:42:38 PM

musically they are pretty decent, their vocals, that fat bastard adam duritz is what tears that band apart for me.

Adam Duritz writes a ton of their music (music, not lyrics) and plays quite a bit on the albums as well, both guitar & piano.

teamakg · « **Reply #14 on:** December 19, 2003, 02:11:53 PM »

Quote from: noahbickart on December 19, 2003, 11:50:35 AM

One thing that I found interesting was to focus on the opening chord of "lie in our graves." I thought I heard a difference in position within the soundstage. A seemed to take up more than just the center; it was wider and deeper. Are there any pictures of the rig(s)?

Both sources sound good for what they are (e.g. stack tapes). I gave the nod to A, but to tell you the truth, I really don't know that I could identify it as either. Perhaps I don't have enough experiance listening to either of these boxes. Either way, Doug Oade has done a great job with his mods.

-Noah

sorry no pics. dmb is not very friendly with cameras. both mics were on 1 stand. the V3 source at ~14 feet. and my 480's clamped about 2 feet lower than his. both A-B pointed dead on the stack from 6th row. stack was probably about 20' away from the mics.

Jason B · « **Reply #15 on:** December 19, 2003, 04:29:38 PM »

Quote from: gsisak on December 19, 2003, 02:11:53 PM

sorry no pics. dmb is not very friendly with cameras. both mics were on 1 stand. the V3 source at ~14 feet. and my 480's clamped about 2 feet lower than his. both A-B pointed dead on the stack from 6th row. stack was probably about 20' away from the mics.

So, let's hear it... What is what?

-JB

dklein · « **Reply #16 on:** December 19, 2003, 05:20:00 PM »

Quote from: gsisak on December 19, 2003, 02:11:53 PM

both mics were on 1 stand. the V3 source at ~14 feet. and my 480's clamped about 2 feet lower than his. both A-B pointed dead on the stack from 6th row.

Damn! I thought they sounded too different. Sorry guys - good effort but I don't think the comparison is valid if you're using separate mics (even if they're the same type and at the same elevation).

I kinda suspected there was more going on here...

Quote from: dklein on December 18, 2003, 05:45:05 PM

I think the v3 and w-mod sound more unique and different in this comparison than in Brian's tests. Not sure why - maybe we could get the whole chain outlined.

I think we need to follow Brian's lead and truly isolate the gear being compared. I honestly think either the two sets of mics sound different, or the 2 foot spread between them made a difference. But thanks regardless!

david

phishn · « **Reply #17 on:** December 19, 2003, 10:23:35 PM »

I'm pretty sure the A source is the warm mod ua-5.

phishn · « **Reply #18 on:** December 19, 2003, 10:27:23 PM »

^^ reasons
1. The warm mod ua-5 seems to carry a more "up front" characteristic throughout these tests. (wonder how the p-mod does since that's supposed to be the more "up front" mod!)

2. warm mod ua-5 has a richer sound

phishn · « **Reply #19 on:** December 19, 2003, 10:30:02 PM »

^^
3. AKG's are generally natural, flat mics and the V3 usually brings out the pure mic characteristics. Source A sounds a bit more bassy for a mic that usually carries a flat, natural sound

chase · « **Reply #20 on:** December 20, 2003, 12:24:07 AM »

hey greg, how are those 391's treatin' ya?

RobC · « **Reply #21 on:** December 20, 2003, 01:40:56 AM »

I've only listened to this on headphones (too late to crank up the volume) but I perfered B (which my change tommorrow when I listen through speakers)

In the two comparisons that Brian did I guessed that the source I liked better was the V3 and was wrong both times, my guess this time is source B = Warm UA-5

phishn · « **Reply #22 on:** December 20, 2003, 09:45:44 AM »

hey chase, the 391's are working well. I taped a moe show in portland, ME and they worked perfectly, however, the boston 12-2 phish show came out a bit bass heavy/muddy for my taste..saving up for 393's which hopefully will fix that problem when taping in shitty venues like the fleet center. FYI, I cannot seem to find that bnc connector for the DMIC-20. I'll paypal you the money for the missing part once I find out how much a replacement costs.

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #23 on:** December 20, 2003, 12:21:56 PM »

I was hoping to listen to this comp before I left town on vacation, but didn't have time. Rats. Gonna have to listen to it when I get back home in a week. Looking forward to hearing it!

chase · « **Reply #24 on:** December 20, 2003, 03:11:10 PM »

greg don't worry about it, it was only $5 and i won't need one ever agin most likely. glad you like the 391s, i need to get some hyper caps too. and now back to V3 vs. UA-5....

teamakg · « **Reply #25 on:** December 21, 2003, 12:48:09 PM »

first off time for an apology. this isn't a true comparison. after talking to eric again he told me that he had the 70hz rolloff on the mics turned on. he never mentioned it to me before cause he assumed i knew it cause he always uses it. so i'll take the blame there. as for which source is which. A is the wmod and B is the V3. thanks for listening and sorry for the not true comparison.
george

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #26 on:** December 22, 2003, 07:46:21 AM »

Quote from: gsisak on December 21, 2003, 12:48:09 PM

first off time for an apology. this isn't a true comparison. after talking to eric again he told me that he had the 70hz rolloff on the mics turned on. he never mentioned it to me before cause he assumed i knew it cause he always uses it. so i'll take the blame there. as for which source is which. A is the wmod and B is the V3. thanks for listening and sorry for the not true comparison.
george

which one had the rolloff???

phishn · « **Reply #27 on:** December 22, 2003, 10:18:44 AM »

i would assume the V3 source has the rolloff since gsisak owns a w-mod ua-5.

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #28 on:** December 22, 2003, 10:26:28 AM »

Quote from: phishn on December 22, 2003, 10:18:44 AM

i would assume the V3 source has the rolloff since gsisak owns a w-mod ua-5.

thanks phishn, +T bro....i shouldpay attention to names more, for real

Poll

Which source did you prefer, and why?

Author Topic: Round 3: V3/Oade-warm-mod-UA5 comparison AKG 480's (Read 7193 times)

jpschust

jpschust

jpschust

Jason B

Jason B

Jason B