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Suggestions for gain?
« on: October 19, 2006, 09:10:26 AM »
Hey guys.  I popped my taping-a-major-band cherry last night at the Duo.  Everything went pretty well, save a drunk chick who thought my rig was a video camera and decided she ought to walk right up to it and yell that into it.  She was forgivable for her looks though.

Anyway, I need some gain, like big time.  I peak at -18.  Needless to say, that's wayyyyyyyyyy too quiet.

So, anyone have a recommendation for a fairly cheap box to get me some gain (adjustable preferred, but not 100% necessary)?

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Re: Suggestions for gain?
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2006, 10:08:42 AM »
You could replace the flying calf with an AD-20.  I really liked the sound of my 853's / AD-20 combo.  I've been using a digi mod UA-5 lately, though, due to the ease of having one box that provides power, gain & an AD (UA-5 would work for your needs to, BTW).  If you make the decision to go with the AD-20, I may be interested in selling mine.  Just send me a PM if you want to go that route.
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Re: Suggestions for gain?
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2006, 10:27:50 AM »
What gear are you currently using?  Do you have a budget (and if so, what is it)?  Open or stealth?
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2006, 10:39:23 AM »
What gear are you currently using?  Do you have a budget (and if so, what is it)?  Open or stealth?

I was assuming that he was running the gear listed in his tagline when I responded, FWIW.  But I know what assuming can do  ;)
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Re: Suggestions for gain?
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2006, 10:43:13 AM »
I was assuming that he was running the gear listed in his tagline

Seems like a reasonable assumption.  I didn't see the gear in the signature because I hide all avatars and signatures to prevent the schlock from cluttering up my screen.
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Re: Suggestions for gain?
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2006, 11:00:14 AM »
Thanks Brian.  I'm using:
AT853Wa>"Crown Royal" 3-Wire BB>Midiman Flying Calf A/D> Hosa ODL-276> iRiver iHP-120

Pretty small, but I don't see myself doing much stealth work.

I also thought about the AD-20, cgrooves.  I'll have to see.  I really liked the sound I got last night, especially for as little as I have invested in this rig.

Any other suggestions?
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Re: Suggestions for gain?
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2006, 11:10:29 AM »
Any other suggestions?

Possibly.  Budget?
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Re: Suggestions for gain?
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2006, 11:25:10 AM »
Any other suggestions?

A cheap gain solution would be line transformers.  You are going to have a pretty bulky chain with that, however.  You are already having to convert coax to optical by using the flying calf / iRiver combo, so I would consider replacing the calf with a good pre/AD that has optical output.  Then you wouldn't need the hosa box or line transformers in the chain.  Just a thought.
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Re: Suggestions for gain?
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2006, 12:13:12 PM »
I just ordered a st-9100 from church audio, gonna try it out with some sound pro true binaurals. I'll post a review when I get to try it out. I might do a comp between the st-9100 and just a batt box (using the jb3's gain).
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Re: Suggestions for gain?
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2006, 12:15:37 PM »
I happen to have an AD-20 I don't use. I'd be willing to sell it.
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Re: Suggestions for gain?
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2006, 02:20:05 AM »
I guess if I had to put a budget on it I'd want something ~$200ish maybe.  If that does anything.
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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2006, 10:09:01 AM »
I happen to have an AD-20 I don't use. I'd be willing to sell it.

I have an AD-20...
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Re: Suggestions for gain?
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2006, 02:53:54 PM »
The AD-20 adds fixed gain, right?  How much?
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Re: Suggestions for gain?
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2006, 03:17:19 PM »
mic2496 is variable, has digi out for your iriver, and is stealthable if you wanted....and.. ;D ;D I know where one is for sell for CHEAPO!   >:D >:D
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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2006, 03:33:41 PM »
The AD-20 adds fixed gain, right?  How much?

The Denecke AD-20 http://www.denecke.com/prod04.htm supplies between 16 - 60 db of gain independently and continuously variable on each channel. It does not, however, supply phantom power, but I think you determined that you don't need phantom power. It would be less than $200 shipped.
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