Topic: Can Anyone post pics of ORTF bar close ups?

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Hey
I know Schoeps make some sweet  "array" bars
specifically I'm interested in ORTF
also DIN & NOS

and not just Schoeps bars
I'm interested in other  stereo bar configurations
mostly close ups of how the "active" or "colette" caps slide or thread in and mount on the bars

 I guess the Schoeps STCg Bar is what I'm referring to
but also other similar bars

Why?
cause I want to see if there could be a way to make a nice DIY bar for that type of purpose

thanx tons in advance
peace
-- Ian

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I found this:



but it does not show how the cable  threads through

thanx

[fozzy]

i have some coming in a few minutes, charging the camera battery, I killed it taking the pics of my DIN kwon bar and a STCg

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i have some coming in a few minutes, charging the camera battery, I killed it taking the pics of my DIN kwon bar and a STCg

Fozzy
Super cool!

[fozzy]

Top/Black bar is the DIN kwon bar, other is the schoeps ORTF bar

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here are some "active type" stereo bars that I've rigged:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,98523.0.html
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v729/MokePics2/Homemade%20gear/

Moke
nice!
I think I saw some of these before
but
not all...

I was kind of thinking
of a PVC pipe Cut to a 55° angle on each end and a elastic cord  threaded thru and some spring restrainer clips
of course with a end that has been  rounded concave to receive the edge side of the capsule
so I can use one shock mount in the center

hard to descibe clearly
but I have the vision

thanx
-- Ian

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Fozzy

is there a way you might be able to post some pics of the caps being threaded thru the end of the bar?

I have not actually used or handled one of these bars, just admired them from afar
so I am unfamiliar with how
the caps are threaded and stay inplace

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oh
fozzy
I forgot to say thanx

thank you so much for taking and posting the pics that you have already done
that's very helpful

[stevetoney]

Kibitzing so I hope you don't mind me providing input.  There are three key design features of these bars that make them really cool. 

1) They're are made from a phenolyc type material.
2) The dimensions are such that the capsules and/or capsule grommet kinda snap into place. 
3) The split is a key design feature of these bars because they provide two rigid 'fingers' between which the capsule snaps into place...and it's the rigidity of the fingers that holds the hardware nice and tightly in place and at the correct angle.

Pluses
-  Rigid and lightweight
-  Detented...so holds the capsules with sufficient tightness so they don't come loose during the show
-  Holds the capsules at the proper angle.  Little 'play' so angle is maintained when on a stand and cables pull a little bit.
-  Small and fits easily into gig-bag.
-  Removes guesswork for setting capsule angle and width.
-  Saves time when a quick setup needed to keep from missing the first notes.

Minuses
-  Not adjustable, so only one bar per configuration.
-  Since they 'grip' the grommet, they can marr up a grommet that's coated with soft plastic (e.g. Neumann LC3's) if you're not careful putting them in and taking them out.
-  WAY TOO EXPENSIVE

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Tonedeaf
thanx for those insights
however
what is the

a phenolyc type material

you refer to, I guess I need to look that up?
as you may know
I am thinking of how the Milab VM-44 links would best be fitted into a bar like this

without actually having them yet
I don't know how the caps compare to the neumann or schoeps

does Kwon still make his bars? if so, how does one contact him?

I see that the STCg bar runs for $155
which could be reasonable if the milabs fit the bar, which I almost doubt that they would.

[stevetoney]

It's some kinda black plastic, but it's not just plastic.  It's some bake-o-lite type of crap.  I have no idea what the official name of the material is, but it ain't your run of the mill plastic.

Neumann mounts WILL NOT work with the VM44 links.  The grommet on the Neumann mics is smaller than the grommet on the Milab...or is it too big.  Frankly I can't remember which is bigger and which is smaller...but the bottom line is that they aren't the same size so the Neumann mounts won't work. 

The Neumann KWON bar also will not work with those mics for the same reason. 

(I had them all at the same time, Neumann mics, Milab mics, Neumann STC-100 mount and Neumann KWON bar.)

I have no clue if the Scheops KWON would work.

EDIT:  After think about this HARD (it's been over a year) I'm pretty sure that the VM-44link grommet is bigger than the Neumann.  The reason I say this is that I remember trying to think up ways that I could modify the Neumann KWON to work with the Milab, where I'd just enlarge the openings a little bit on the KWON to accept the Milab.  I ended up leaving the Neumann KWON bar unchanged when I decided to sell the Milab mics.

[dennisrtyler]

it's called delrin

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what about the DPA
CXO4000
Compact XY/ORTF Stereo Holder


would the caps on the VM-44 links fit?
It's kinda funky looking

[stevetoney]

would the caps on the VM-44 links fit?
It's kinda funky looking

Maybe OFOTD can chime in because I think he just bought this mount (although I don't think he's ever owned the Milab).

I can't say for sure about them fitting, but if I were to wager, I'd give it pretty low odds that it would work very well with the Milab mics.

Not sure if you fully understand what's being shown in the picture because I have to admit...even after owning the DPA mics for a couple months, I couldn't figure out from the picture how that mount worked...I finally just studied the picture long enough that it hit me. 

See, the DPA mics have a slot that circles the outside of the body of the mic capsule.  That slot sits kinda towards the back of the capsule, close to where the cable enters the body on the side cable 4021s for example, but the slot exists on all of the DPA mini capsule series. 

On both ends of this mount that you've pictured is a semi-circlular 180degree part that mates up with that slot on the DPA mic.  On the end of each of these is a band made of rubber that hooks onto the ends of the mount.  That band stretches around the mic capsule and hooks on the other side of the mount to hold the capsule firmly in place on the end of the mount.

For X-Y, there is another set of these same semi-circular openings near the base of the 'Y' on the mount (you really can't see them in the picture, but you can see the band)  One has the opening facing upward on the top of the mount in the picture, and the other is open facing downward in the picture.  In this way, when the capsules are held in place by the bands, they are offset from each other in the mount.

The key design feature for this mount is the fact that the mics have the slot built into them...and that 180 degree part on the mount mates nice and snugly into that slot...with the bands holding the capsule in place.

Since I think that the Milab mics don't have the slot, nor am I sure that the diameter of the Milab capsules would mate up well with the Inside Diameter (ID) of the 180 part of the mount, I kinda doubt there's much chance that this would work with the Milab.

Having said that, you MIGHT have some luck with that other DPA mount...the one that looks kinda like a Schoeps A20 mount because that inside part is all stretchy rubber.  The problem with that mount though is that you can't get a windscreen around the mic capsules. 

Of course, you really can't get a screen on the capsules with the mount shown in the picture either!

It's always something!

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ahhhh
well I was really looking for more of a bar

which is what I would like to DIY

but this mount looks interesting

thanx
a more structured reply later
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