Topic: Anyone running a V3 with 480's?

[utahtaper]

I would like to hear some opinions. I have 480's and 184's and was wondering which "all in one box" (Edited) would be better for both sets of mics? I know the V3 would be better for the 184's because of their color, but I'm afraid it may be too bright of a combo with 480's.....
I'm not reall impressed with the 184's>MMe. How do you feel about this?

[Tim]

I am definitely of the opinion that there is no end all box. Scott Brown will disagree  

I think the minime and the v3 both have obvious strengths and weaknesses.

as an all in one box I'd give the nod to the v3... but for overall sound I (and several others) prefer v2(craig davis prefers the sonosax)->minime.

[utahtaper]

No need to flame me dude. There is definetly a different sound using those 184's then using the 480's. To my ears the 480's tend to sound more like the music did when I was at the actual show hearing it.  Maybe you ought to try a set comparison running two different mics? To me colored means the mic does or does not perfectly represent what you heard at the concert.  Doesn't mean I'm right doesn't mean I'm wrong. But I am glad you are intrigued.

 I really am set on an all in one box. So I'm mainly looking for opinions on the two boxes (via MMe and V3)

[Tim]

No need to flame me dude. There is definetly a different sound using those 184's then using the 480's. To my ears the 480's tend to sound more like the music did when I was at the actual show hearing it.  Maybe you ought to try a set comparison running two different mics? To me colored means the mic does or does not perfectly represent what you heard at the concert.  Doesn't mean I'm right doesn't mean I'm wrong. But I am glad you are intrigued.

 I really am set on an all in one box. So I'm mainly looking for opinions on the two boxes (via MMe and V3)

if you're set on an all in one I'd get a V3.

p.s. Mike's not flaming you at all...

[Tim]

Mike's hearing has started to go in his old age so he doesn't need any of the acoustic help the minime provides, he's got it naturally  

[Tim]

I record almost exclusively in quality acoustical environments and acoustic music. I chose my equip't based on purity of signal.

and I still do a lot of my recording in old vaudeville theatres and movie houses, and clubs as well as from the backs of arenas and ampitheatres... I don't really want to capture all that is available to me in those instances  

[utahtaper]

Mike I can never tell from your posts whether you are being rude or just witty. My bad, it's hard to tell when I don't know you from Adam.
 I don't want to get off track here. We could go on for days about the boxes on their own merits. It's the 480>V3 config I'm curious about. Anyone running this?  

[cpclark]

ask bean, he's ran his 480's into a V3 at mid-x, and we've had plenty of discussions on v3 v. minime, im not sure you gonna get a big debate here as we've had heated discussions in the past, so check the archives and search and im sure many threads will come up debating this topic.

[marc0789]

Carl Beck runs 4022>v3 and 481>v3 and likes both. Similar mics, both very flat, imo the dpas have a full midrange, and the akgs do not. But both flat. You will hear what your mics hear >v3. If your mic has a shortcoming, you will hear it. If your mic is colored in a manner you enjoy, you'll hear it. The mme will make most mics sound very alike, imo. You will miss lots of detail, but if the warm, fat sound pleases you, that's the box for you. I do like >v2>mme, but find it a little dry for my tastes. Marc.

[DaryanLenz]

Marc,

What exactly makes a recording sound "dry" to your ears?

daryan

[Kevin]

ive heard beans 480>v3 tapes and they sound good to my ears but i recently got the mme and so far im loving the 480>mme combo.  Im going to do a comp tape next weekend with my 480s the mme and a v3 and would be glad to send you a copy of the results so you can decide for yourself.

[marc0789]

dry = the sound of drums and bass through an oade m148. Like thumping dust.  

[John Kelly]

The best tape that I've ever heard came from a 480>V3 combo.  It's a nickel creek show and I can upload it to you if you'd like.  PM me if you want it.

The 480>V3 combo is what I'd eventually like to get, but with my budget it will be a while.

[scb]

minime is too loose for me...

v3 all the way!

[Nick Culbreth]

i've heard many nice 480 > v3 tapes but i personally prefer the mme sound (i think i'm in the minority on this one).  i've only ran my new rig a couple times but i've been extremely happy the 140 > mme combo.  the mme vs. v3 debate is very subjective but i think that when it comes down to it both boxes sound great and you'll be happy w/ either one (probably for different reasons).  just my .02

[Lee]

480 > PSP-2 > mme  

[utahtaper]

V3's looking pretty good right now. Makes it hard when there's MMe's all over the place for good deals. I have yet to see a used V3 in the last while and when  I do they are gone before I can get to them. Anyone out there got a used one they wanna sell before I consider buying one new?
I'm posting in the yard sale as well.
Thx for all your replies. Please keep posting if you have more to add.  

[marc0789]

Scott Brown, you were right. Running it changed my mind. Makes me wonder what I've been thinking for the last couple of years, first time I've heard anything close to natural high end since running 4011>v2>2k, except the v3 sounds much more natural to me, not thin and compressed at all. I can literally close my eyes and it sounds like it did at the show. And the sound was not great, but it doesn't really matter. It's more enjoyable to hear what I heard, personally.

[Brian Skalinder]

Scott Brown, you were right. Running it changed my mind. Makes me wonder what I've been thinking for the last couple of years, first time I've heard anything close to natural high end since running 4011>v2>2k, except the v3 sounds much more natural to me, not thin and compressed at all. I can literally close my eyes and it sounds like it did at the show. And the sound was not great, but it doesn't really matter. It's more enjoyable to hear what I heard, personally.

I never thought I'd see the day...  

Glad you're enjoying your latest combo, Marc!

[creekfreak]

V3's looking pretty good right now. Makes it hard when there's MMe's all over the place for good deals. I have yet to see a used V3 in the last while and when  I do they are gone before I can get to them. Anyone out there got a used one they wanna sell before I consider buying one new?
I'm posting in the yard sale as well.
Thx for all your replies. Please keep posting if you have more to add.  

that should tell you  something about the V3

[dmonterisi]

Scott Brown, you were right. Running it changed my mind. Makes me wonder what I've been thinking for the last couple of years, first time I've heard anything close to natural high end since running 4011>v2>2k, except the v3 sounds much more natural to me, not thin and compressed at all. I can literally close my eyes and it sounds like it did at the show. And the sound was not great, but it doesn't really matter. It's more enjoyable to hear what I heard, personally.

marc, satisfied with his gear?  is this one of the signs of the apocalypse?  what's next?  dogs and cats living together?  +t marc

[zhianosatch]

i give him 3-4 weeks to start cussin' out the v3... well, maybe 4-5; he likes it a LOT right now... but it will happen soon... any takers? i've got a killer ministry collection i'd be willing to copy

[scb]

>> Scott Brown, you were right.<<

so what the hell am i supposed to post about now?  

glad you like it!

[Lee]

i give him 3-4 weeks to start cussin' out the v3... well, maybe 4-5; he likes it a LOT right now... but it will happen soon... any takers? i've got a killer ministry collection i'd be willing to copy

where's vegas putting the over/under?  I give him 23 days to start cussin' the V3, 6 weeks until he's bought another ad1k.

[plucks]

Scott Brown, you were right. Running it changed my mind. Makes me wonder what I've been thinking for the last couple of years, first time I've heard anything close to natural high end since running 4011>v2>2k, except the v3 sounds much more natural to me, not thin and compressed at all. I can literally close my eyes and it sounds like it did at the show. And the sound was not great, but it doesn't really matter. It's more enjoyable to hear what I heard, personally.

I have had the same results with the 4022>v3 combo since February.  I would love to compare them to a MMe, but just never got the chance.  

I will be posting a 16/24 bit recording samples sometime next week.  I believe that it is also a MMe v V3 comp as well!

Phil

[Tim]

Scott Brown, you were right. Running it changed my mind. Makes me wonder what I've been thinking for the last couple of years, first time I've heard anything close to natural high end since running 4011>v2>2k, except the v3 sounds much more natural to me, not thin and compressed at all. I can literally close my eyes and it sounds like it did at the show. And the sound was not great, but it doesn't really matter. It's more enjoyable to hear what I heard, personally.

I have had the same results with the 4022>v3 combo since February.  I would love to compare them to a MMe, but just never got the chance.  

I will be posting a 16/24 bit recording samples sometime next week.  I believe that it is also a MMe v V3 comp as well!

Phil

I've been very impressed with Phil's Phish west coast 4022/v3 tapes.. suprisingly pleased!

Phil, you can borrow my minime any time...

[zhianosatch]

this is truly scary

[Tim]

this is truly scary

tell me about it!

[Tim]

Phil, didn't Travis Tarr run 480/v3 at red rocks this year? I thought we were just talking about those tapes...

[plucks]

Yup-
I have them over here I think.  Only night 3 i believe.  They sound real nice.  Haven't done a sit down listen though.  

When i do another 4022 recording, i may want to bring it out, Tim!!

Phil

[marc0789]

Round three was Jay Farrar at First Avenue in Minneapolis. Truly legendary venue, but not the best sound. Weird shape, weird shit in the ceiling, not the best PA. It sounded ok, however, particularly when it was just Jay on acoustic and harmonica, and decent when Canyon backed him. The tape sounds damn near exactly like what I heard, when you account for the slight cardioid narrowing. You hear the ass, but you also hear the detail. All of it. A very nice test, the v3 passed imo. Another good one will be MMJ next week in a tiny bar, where you can tape way fob, but the board is a good 80 feet from the stage, the room is one big rectangle. With that reverb they use, not a good situation. Kudos Grace. Scott Brown, if I talk about getting rid of this thing, please come to Minny and kick my ass. I'll pay for the plane ticket.  

[creekfreak]

Round three was Jay Farrar at First Avenue in Minneapolis. Truly legendary venue, but not the best sound. Weird shape, weird shit in the ceiling, not the best PA. It sounded ok, however, particularly when it was just Jay on acoustic and harmonica, and decent when Canyon backed him. The tape sounds damn near exactly like what I heard, when you account for the slight cardioid narrowing. You hear the ass, but you also hear the detail. All of it. A very nice test, the v3 passed imo. Another good one will be MMJ next week in a tiny bar, where you can tape way fob, but the board is a good 80 feet from the stage, the room is one big rectangle. With that reverb they use, not a good situation. Kudos Grace. Scott Brown, if I talk about getting rid of this thing, please come to Minny and kick my ass. I'll pay for the plane ticket.  

better book that flight now, save some cash

[marc0789]

I'm at the point now that if I get sick of 100% transparent sound, it'll be the dpas that go before the v3, it ain't the lunatec's fault. No question neumanns or schoeps will pull in less ass.

[zhianosatch]

oh man....

[creekfreak]

I'm at the point now that if I get sick of 100% transparent sound, it'll be the dpas that go before the v3, it ain't the lunatec's fault. No question neumanns or schoeps will pull in less ass.

 

[Lee]

I'm at the point now that if I get sick of 100% transparent sound, it'll be the dpas that go before the v3, it ain't the lunatec's fault. No question neumanns or schoeps will pull in less ass.

The world is ending...

Marc running Schoeps>V3??? Head for the hills!