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Gear / Technical Help => Battery Boxes, Preamps, Mixers, ADCs, and Processors => Topic started by: larrysellers on June 12, 2014, 03:52:13 PM
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Now taking orders..pm me to get on board!
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In my initial battery testing, i got 45 hours of record time on a set of Imedion rechargeable 9 volts.
I shut it down after 45 hours!! It was still recording, but had to go to a show.
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I heard about this a few weeks ago and when Nick said it used less power, I had no idea the record times would be 10x that of the older boxes. Just awesome.
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Pics? Specs? Price?
Jeff
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Pics? Specs? Price?
Jeff
Here is Ed's post from the kickdown thread. I would expect more info in the next couple of weeks.
This is the first show recorded by a new version of the N-Box. Nick and Bill Reutelhuber have been collaborating to design and build new versions of the n-box (also formerly the Reutelhuber box from years ago) that provides stellar pure class A sound plus incredibly long battery life. This unit is being beta tested as I write and this is the first recording done with the new design. Although testing is not yet complete, the box appears to have batt life of about 30 hours on 9 volt rechargeables. It uses a pure class A design with only discrete transistors in the signal path. Everything is direct coupled except for one set of audiophile Multicaps between the mic power supply part and gain part of the new design preamp. Nick and Bill have endeavored to improve upon what has been recognized by many as one of the best sounding field recording preamps to further improve sound quality and dramatically increase battery life. From a listen of the first recording, it appears that we met our goals with an audiophile sounding smooth sound coupled with low power usage. We thank Ed Tyre for taking the box out on a test cruise to see how it performs before we go into production. Like the n-box it is intended to work with schoeps, akg ck6 capsules and geffels via Nick's active cables. Stay tuned as this will likely be in full production very soon.
Bill Reutelhuber
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Very cool! Love my Nbox...hate the batteries!
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nice to hear for guys needing long battery life. my nbox battery pack runs 15-20 hrs now. would prob run the new design for 100 plus hrs!!!! i dont plan on buying anything, but cant wait too check nic and bills work out. ed
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Neato. I didn't know Bill was still doing stuff.
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Very cool! Love my Nbox...hate the batteries!
Yeah that's the only complant I have ever heard about the nbox
I would hate that the value of my box just got hurt too though as I assume not many will want the old version with this development
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Very cool! Love my Nbox...hate the batteries!
Yeah that's the only complant I have ever heard about the nbox
I would hate that the value of my box just got hurt too though as I assume not many will want the old version with this development
I'm sure Nick will jump on this thread soon, but i am pretty sure he will be offering an upgrade to the older Nbox's, so they can
just get the newer version of the board inside, everything else is pretty much the same. I'll let him discuss this.
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That was then..this is what we have to offer now..we are certainly up for retrofits of old boxes..totally up for discussion.
Thanks for watching!! ;D
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Also, for people who want phantom powered balanced out, there is a version I beta tested since 2008 professionally recording multitracks. This circuit is also pure class A and runs on 48 volt phantom. we are not quite ready as to this box because we need to reduce power consumption a bit because the beta versions i built were powered off of AC powered preamps and consoles. So this is a "coming down the road soon" variant of the n-box/bill box with active drive xlr outs phantom powered. So some other goodies coming on down the pike also.
Bill Reutelhuber
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Just checking in on thread
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(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQI6AD_RvQvSUS1u--ApwzjFLFeAiXRYPHCoiqGK7RY5cJcVQ6bZw)
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What Tim just said. ^^
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If we need more beta testers, let me know... or Nick contact me :)
I have stealth and stand shows on the books throughout the summer... and several friends who can take it to other shows if I am stuck at work
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Very cool!
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Very cool!
+1
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Could the new version have a 5 pin binder so it could be used with a kcy cable?
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Sample tracks from last nights show, second time out with the new box
https://soundcloud.com/edtyre/ht2014-06-13mk4edtyret02
https://soundcloud.com/edtyre/ht2014-06-13mk4edtyret06
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nice!
pics?
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Sample tracks from last nights show, second time out with the new box
https://soundcloud.com/edtyre/ht2014-06-13mk4edtyret02
https://soundcloud.com/edtyre/ht2014-06-13mk4edtyret06
Listening to these samples and the show on LMA, it sounds really great. Would love to somewhere down the line hear a comparison with a schoeps rig using a tinybox so I can really get an idea on differences in sound. The difference in size is a major issue for me.
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Another sample with the new box.
Fourplay
Keswick Theater Glenside PA
3rd row just roc
https://soundcloud.com/edtyre/fourplay2014-06-25mk4edtyret04
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Very cool! But the obvious question.... Does it still sound spitty? :P
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Very cool! But the obvious question.... Does it still sound spitty? :P
What do you think? 8)
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Not to hijack the thread but I met bill reutelhuber for the first time last week at a George porter jr and the pardners show in Brooklyn. It was cool to meet the guy who designed the original bill box I ran and the upgraded version we had in 2001-2002. He was running a multitrack behind the stage and I was doing a simple on stage matrix but he asked me to come back and exchange numbers with him post show but my wife didn't want to deal and said lets gtf outta here. Anyone gave his contact info, either email of phone? If so pm me please.
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Not to hijack the thread but I met bill reutelhuber for the first time last week at a George porter jr and the pardners show in Brooklyn. It was cool to meet the guy who designed the original bill box I ran and the upgraded version we had in 2001-2002. He was running a multitrack behind the stage and I was doing a simple on stage matrix but he asked me to come back and exchange numbers with him post show but my wife didn't want to deal and said lets gtf outta here. Anyone gave his contact info, either email of phone? If so pm me please.
PM sent...
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Very cool!
+1
I concur with the +1.
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Now taking orders..pm me to get on board!
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What does this thing look like? How does size compare to the Tinybox?
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What does this thing look like? How does size compare to the Tinybox?
Looks the same as a standard Nbox..one pack of cigarettes vs 2 packs.
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What does this thing look like? How does size compare to the Tinybox?
Looks the same as a standard Nbox..one pack of cigarettes vs 2 packs.
perfect example
I never realized how small the nbox was till I saw it in person. Pics online I had seen didn't do it justice
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i cant wait to get one of these, its like an early hanukkah (XMAS for the rest of ya)
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What does this thing look like? How does size compare to the Tinybox?
Looks the same as a standard Nbox..one pack of cigarettes vs 2 packs.
perfect example
I never realized how small the nbox was till I saw it in person. Pics online I had seen didn't do it justice
Nicky- so you are using a different enclosure? If so, can you snap a pic or two of the original case next to the new case?
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What does this thing look like? How does size compare to the Tinybox?
Looks the same as a standard Nbox..one pack of cigarettes vs 2 packs.
perfect example
I never realized how small the nbox was till I saw it in person. Pics online I had seen didn't do it justice
Nicky- so you are using a different enclosure? If so, can you snap a pic or two of the original case next to the new case?
Same enclosure only the inside is different. Sizewise the tinybox= 1pk cigs and the nbox= 2pk cigs.
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^^^ What about the ratio of the weights?
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Tinybox=6.8 oz.
Nbox=19 oz.
Big deal, if using for open taping weight and size are not an issue.
For stealth if you can't manage 19 oz and the size of 2 cigarette packs, then your skills are weak
and you should probably not be in the stealth taping game.
If you can stealth with a tiny box and not with an Nbox, then your balls are smaller than a teenyweeny box 8)
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For stealth if you can't manage 19 oz and the size of 2 cigarette packs, then your skills are weak
and you should probably not be in the stealth taping game.
If you can't roll low pro in the front row with a 722, a v3, CMC6's with KC5's, and no bag and no gear cooking or adjacent to balls, then you should probably not be in the stlx taping game and should give all your gear away to more worthy tapers :P
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For stealth if you can't manage 19 oz and the size of 2 cigarette packs, then your skills are weak
and you should probably not be in the stealth taping game.
If you can stealth with a tiny box and not with an Nbox, then your balls are smaller than a teenyweeny box 8)
Only speaking for myself, it's not a question of if you can...it's a question of if the sound quality over a tinybox is worth the added hassle of stealthing a pre-amp twice as big.
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If you think it helps to make a better recording, then it is worth it every time.
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For stealth if you can't manage 19 oz and the size of 2 cigarette packs, then your skills are weak
and you should probably not be in the stealth taping game.
If you can stealth with a tiny box and not with an Nbox, then your balls are smaller than a teenyweeny box 8)
Only speaking for myself, it's not a question of if you can...it's a question of if the sound quality over a tinybox is worth the added hassle of stealthing a pre-amp twice as big.
I've got one of each and for my ears I prefer the sound of the Nbox but have no issues with the TB's sound. That said there are times when the need to swap batteries mid-show requires that I run my Tinybox and for that reason I like having one of each. Sounds to me that Nbox platinum will solve that problem for me.
I've not been able to do a side by side comp and understand that my brain is likely going to want the preamp that I have significantly more invested in to sound better but I have to go with what I think is true. I do find that there is more headroom on my Nbox recordings but I don't know enough about that to speak to the reasons why. I once f-ed the battery swap up and caught the Nbox as it was losing its juice and quickly swapped the Tinybox in its place mid song and the WAV files looked dramatically different. The Nbox portion of the recording had a greater spread in dynamic range while the Tinybox portion had more consistant peaks. Not sure if I'm describing this correctly.
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For stealth if you can't manage 19 oz and the size of 2 cigarette packs, then your skills are weak
and you should probably not be in the stealth taping game.
If you can stealth with a tiny box and not with an Nbox, then your balls are smaller than a teenyweeny box 8)
Only speaking for myself, it's not a question of if you can...it's a question of if the sound quality over a tinybox is worth the added hassle of stealthing a pre-amp twice as big.
I've got one of each and for my ears I prefer the sound of the Nbox but have no issues with the TB's sound. That said there are times when the need to swap batteries mid-show requires that I run my Tinybox and for that reason I like having one of each. Sounds to me that Nbox platinum will solve that problem for me.
I've not been able to do a side by side comp and understand that my brain is likely going to want the preamp that I have significantly more invested in to sound better but I have to go with what I think is true. I do find that there is more headroom on my Nbox recordings but I don't know enough about that to speak to the reasons why. I once f-ed the battery swap up and caught the Nbox as it was losing its juice and quickly swapped the Tinybox in its place mid song and the WAV files looked dramatically different. The Nbox portion of the recording had a greater spread in dynamic range while the Tinybox portion had more consistant peaks. Not sure if I'm describing this correctly.
Thanks for the info. Sounds like I need to consider getting one.
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After a brief hiatus, the boards are in production. I'm hoping to have mine in hand within a month or so.
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Is there any pics or price ? Sorry if I missed it
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My nbox+ is in need of maintenance, so I have high hopes to be on a short list :)
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Just read in the B/S forum the platinum version sounds better than the standard nbox(+). I run the + version and think this thing sounds great. Anyone care to elaborate?
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Just read in the B/S forum
Bullsh*t forum?
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Just read in the B/S forum
Bullsh*t forum?
Maybe... :P
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link to the B/S forum?
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link to the B/S forum?
I was thinking b/s in another forum. It's the yard sale here.
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don't own any Schoeps gear, but marking thread
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jump in feet 1st, you have nothing but to look up :)
welcome!
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Calling on all interested in upgrading to the New Nbox platinum, got a shipment of boards coming in this weekend. PM me for details!
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Calling on all interested in upgrading to the New Nbox platinum, got a shipment of boards coming in this weekend. PM me for details!
I have always loved the sound of the NBox/NBox+, but steered away from it mainly because of the powering. But since that old school NBox powering is gone, I can definitely see myself trying an NBox Platinum out sometime, because if it can record THAT long, then it definitely caught my interest ;) I do around 3-5 four day festies every summer, so an NBox that can record for at least 50 hours, would really do me some use during the summer especially :) That would basically get me through the whole weekend with just that one rig. And of course id be running my VMS02ib at another stage!!! And my Schoeps VMS02ib outputs 20db of gain too, so I would already be used to using a fixed 20db gain preamp. Plus, I've used an Oade m148 in the past too, and those are a fixed 20db of gain too ;)
Can't frickin wait to hear more recordings with these :) Start pumping them out fellas!!! And Merin just got his brand spankin new Tinybox, so I'm curious how he'll like it compared to his Lemosax and the NBox+ he just ran a couple months back 8) Once I ran my KCY LB a couple years ago, I traded my old Lemosax for mint mk21s, and bought a second KCY LB June 2013. That's how much better I liked it over the Lemosax ;)
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Darn, i am new to posting on the forum so i got the quotes part wrong. In response to the poster who saw flat waveforms from the Tinybox, I offer the following comment:
If you see flat consistent peaks vs. peaks that vary widely, then you are seeing the Tinybox reaching the maximum of its dynamic range. I have never looked myself at the Tinybox waveforms but the N box is designed to have a lot of spare dynamic range. I estimate that the N box uses only about 1/10 of its total dynamic range and thus does not overload as it appears the Tinybox is doing per your description.
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Two more Nbox Platinum tapes in the can, give a listen.
https://soundcloud.com/edtyre/tomrush2014-11-14d2t01
https://soundcloud.com/edtyre/lucindawilliams2014-11-15mk4vedtyret14
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Jon's sound pressure level calculations are interesting but one must keep in mind several things:
The Schoeps MK4 capsule itself is rated to max 132 db sound pressure level. Same with the Mk21 and the MK2S capsules.
Rock concerts are not going to be even close to the 149 dB sound pressure level Jon mentioned. Your head hair will detect the sound vibrations at 129 dB sound pressure level, which would be an extremely loud concert. If concerts were routinely above 132 db sound pressure level, we would be hearing tons of distorted Schoeps recordings. But, this is not the case. Thus, concerts are less than 132 dB sound pressure level.
The Tinybox specs say its maximum output voltage is +13dbV, which is about 6.3 volts peak to peak. The Nbox platinum could put out about 15+ volts peak to peak. At a gain of +18 dB, the Tinybox's maximum input voltage should be less than a volt, otherwise, the output voltage swing maximum would be exceeded. I am sure Jon can comment about this, as he designs the Tinybox. The Nbox platinum can take about 1.5+ volts input with a +20 dB gain. If the gain is reduced, the Nbox could take even a larger input voltage. Thus, the Nbox platinum has more headroom in addition to it being a pure class A low noise low distortion audiophile quality preamp.
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the Nbox platinum has more headroom in addition to it being a pure class A low noise low distortion audiophile quality preamp.
This one line says it all to me
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Not talking about rms. Talking about peak to peak. The Nbox platinum combines long battery life with headroom that is far above what is necessary. I think anyone who records loud and quiet shows will agree that an amplifier is necessary.
You really do not want to drive an input with a 1000 ohm source impedance. The Nbox platinum has a 100 ohm source impedance. The low output impedance provides more stable cable and input drive. One can also use the nbox to drive recorders with much lower input impedance than the sony M10 and we have a proven phantom powered class A audiophile quality circuit if one wants to run one of our boxes with balanced out into a professional deck having phantom power. This circuit was proven by 6 years of professional stage split multitrack recordings in venues with extremely long cable runs. They are available as special items by inquiry.
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I doubt the M10 preamp is anything near as quiet as the Nbox. The active cables operate on a current loop scheme with the JFET being a variable current source. It is one thing to have a 1k source impedance drive a cable and an input and it is another to have a 1000 ohm source impedance drive an amplifier input 1/2 inch away. BTW, the amplifier input impedance is greater than 10,000 ohms so your comparison is not valid.
Instead of endless debating, I think the Nbox recordings talk for themselves and anyone who is undecided should listen to recordings from both our boxes and your boxes. I think they will agree with us that our boxes provide a more transparent lower noise solution, plus greatly enhanced battery life vs our older boxes. Our boxes are pure class A audiophile design -- something you have not even claimed to offer. They do not use electrolytic capacitors to couple the signals. But, dont you use electolytics in your design? For anyone reading this, do a search on the web about the use of electrolytic caps as coupling caps and see what the audio experts say. Thus, let the recordings speak for themselves.
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I think you forgot that the Sony M10 test was at max gain and that the clipping level was -57 dBu. Thus, the deck is hardly as quiet as you claim.
I dont understand how you measured distortion vs sound pressure level. did you take into account the source distortion and what type of test did you exactly do. our fets are hand matched and biased midpoint.
I used to work for a Silicon Valley linear chip company. According to an audio pro distortion analyzer the old r-box design has about 6 parts per million THD.
I think we are in different markets. You want to make low cost items while we want to make audiophile quality items. We'll just have to disagree.
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John -- I said we will have to disagree. It is way okay to disagree.
I am an EE. I speak in terms of voltages, etc. That is my training from my EE degree in college and working in Silicon Valley. I don't know what you are talking about some sort of slander.
I don't understand why you seem so upset when you think we are talking to different markets. While you say that we are in separate markets until I mentioned something about your product, the fact is that you decided to post in a forum about our box before i had anything to comment about your boxes.
I guess you feel threatened by our new box. But don't be because we are talking to different people.
I am not sure why a cable apparently tested out as having high distortion. You don't even say how much input voltage you applied and the real ability is to test the passage of a square wave. Maybe it was a defective cable that needed repair. Your talk about what someone else told you is pure hearsay. We have no idea under which the tests were conducted or anything.
I don't think that our cables have horrible performance as the recordings sound good. Look at all the great EdTyre recordings this summer. Do you think they have horrible distortion and don't sound good?
If you disagree that these recordings do not sound most excellent, why not tell this community which specific recording using our gear sucks, and refer to one using your gear which is better? After all, people want the best sound in the field -- not some paper specs.
1% distortion would be highly audible. I have yet to hear any recording using our gear that has audible distortion.
So, John, I feel you are upset. The key is what sounds best. That is what the community wants. So let the recordings speak for themselves and let the community choose what boxes they want?
You don't need to get in the "last word" as I sense you have some need to do. Basically show me a better recording of a specific act using your box that is way better than ours or just agree to disagree.
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Never once have I said a bad word about you or your products..if I have to be guilty by association then so be it. But remeber this..I have helped put food on your table by selling those cables which you and others have publicly bashed on here with your bogus specs and testing that is way off base. I have purchased your PFAs and helped you sell tinyboxes for our cables but I'm done with that..like you publicly bashed another company for non payment I'm done with you too.
Please stay out of my threads and I will stay out of yours, oh and grow up dude :-*
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I should prob mind my own business but just wanted to say that Jon and Nick have both come out with great products.
They both have wonderful knowledge and support. Although the products are similar they differ and the pros/cons appeal to the needs of different people at times.
I don't know if the specs are true, if one is really better then the other but I do know they both sound good and it is a shame that outsiders need to get involved.
The community will be much better off if people work together to assist the lay person, like me, in figuring out what's the best for that individual instead of best for the seller.
A wise man once told me, "the rising tide rises all boats". Let's rise the community up together!
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Although I get it, I hate to see this. There is definitely room for both products.
Putting aside any personal feelings one way or the other, i'm grateful to both sides for making such great products. I'm even grateful to Bill for the original Rmod box, even though i don't know him and never used one. Lots of great recordings were made using that, and i never would have heard them otherwise.
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Never once have I said a bad word about you or your products..if I have to be guilty by association then so be it. But remeber this..I have helped put food on your table by selling those cables which you and others have publicly bashed on here with your bogus specs and testing that is way off base. I have purchased your PFAs and helped you sell tinyboxes for our cables but I'm done with that..like you publicly bashed another company for non payment I'm done with you too.
Please stay out of my threads and I will stay out of yours, oh and grow up dude :-*
I agree with you Nicky! I owned a tinybox and i didnt like it for one it couldnt handle taping FOB wsp without overloading on the low setting.I think team va got like 2 good recordings out of many attempts using the TB. Compared to all my other pre amps that can handle all the same music without issue.Great Idea and perfect for someone starting off.Bottom line if you want to have Schoeps True Sound Buy Real Schoeps Gear it is a difference.
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Never once have I said a bad word about you or your products..if I have to be guilty by association then so be it. But remeber this..I have helped put food on your table by selling those cables which you and others have publicly bashed on here with your bogus specs and testing that is way off base. I have purchased your PFAs and helped you sell tinyboxes for our cables but I'm done with that..like you publicly bashed another company for non payment I'm done with you too.
Please stay out of my threads and I will stay out of yours, oh and grow up dude :-*
I agree with you Nicky! I owned a tinybox and i didnt like it for one it couldnt handle taping FOB wsp without overloading on the low setting.I think team va got like 2 good recordings out of many attempts using the TB. Compared to all my other pre amps that can handle all the same music without issue.Great Idea and perfect for someone starting off.Bottom line if you want to have Schoeps True Sound Buy Real Schoeps Gear it is a difference.
So buy a VMS then? :P
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Never once have I said a bad word about you or your products..if I have to be guilty by association then so be it. But remeber this..I have helped put food on your table by selling those cables which you and others have publicly bashed on here with your bogus specs and testing that is way off base. I have purchased your PFAs and helped you sell tinyboxes for our cables but I'm done with that..like you publicly bashed another company for non payment I'm done with you too.
Please stay out of my threads and I will stay out of yours, oh and grow up dude :-*
I agree with you Nicky! I owned a tinybox and i didnt like it for one it couldnt handle taping FOB wsp without overloading on the low setting.I think team va got like 2 good recordings out of many attempts using the TB. Compared to all my other pre amps that can handle all the same music without issue.Great Idea and perfect for someone starting off.Bottom line if you want to have Schoeps True Sound Buy Real Schoeps Gear it is a difference.
So buy a VMS then? :P
Good thing I own 3 of them >:D
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All Schoeps gear sounds like shit, sell it to me cheap and go buy some AKG stuff 8)
Now somebody please go out and tape something instead of talking about bullshit.
Me personally, i don't care about any specs, just what it sounds like. I have heard plenty of Bill's recordings and Nicky's too.
Just sayin
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I find this whole thread pretty "funny" for several reasons, but for my $0.02
- Lots of great recordings have been made with both, at least by the standards of live concert recording (which Jon correctly describes as
- If you want to talk about "sound" in a subjective sense, post a comp. "I made nice recordings with x" means less than nothing. I could post recordings I've done with Coresounds and AT3031s that smoke some Schoeps, but that most assuredly does not mean those mics are better than Schoeps. (FWIW there was a pretty valid-seeming one a few years back of NBox vs. bodies, IIRC). Even more true in the weird live concert recording space, where about 90% of the recordings, even by people who know what they're doing and have great gear, really aren't all that good. PA systems aren't "audiophile" to start with; a distant recording of one cannot and never will be "audiophile" as I think of it, because the source was not.
As to math, I don't know anything about the mathematics of this stuff and am glad somebody else does. But it would be incorrect to claim either product is unproven in the field. But "in the field" as we know it is already a highly imperfect place to test anything other than (a) does this product "work" (consistently turns on and provides phantom power and doesn't seem to cause more distortion than anything else) and (b) do I like the sound of it.
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I've used both in field conditions. I know nothing about SNR or anything else--I'm an idiot. So here is my very amateurish and subjective review of both.
I like the Tinybox because it is ... well ... tiny. The darn thing is the size of a pack of cigarettes.
I disliked the Tinybox because of the jacks and the switches. I really don't need much gain if any, and the jacks were goofy. That said, I understand that it is a custom product, and probably could be made to order. The rechargeable battery deal is fine for most shows but for festivals might it not work for me. I had some clipping issues with the box, but I honestly think it was operator error (me) because of the gain switch (I may have had the setting wrong), as opposed to something inherent with the box. That switch setting was confusing. I have a friend that needs a small economic super stealthy preamp, and the Tinybox would be my first choice for him.
I like the NBox because of the sound and simplicity. When I got back into taping, I downloaded 100 of my favorite shows and looked at the equipment used. About 30% of the equipment was Schoeps > NBox and another 30% was Neumann KM 18x > preamp. The Schoeps > Box rig sounds great. It is also stupidly simple--it has one off-on switch. There is no way to goof up a recording with that box.
I dislike the NBox because it is a battery hog and the Switchcraft plug is very fragile--I've broken a few. It is also bigger. I understand the new boards will have quadruple the run time.
That said, based on my use of both, I picked an NBox. I actually have three of them, one I use, one is a back up and redundant rig, and the third one will be a Platinum.
I think both products are great, I just think one is best suited for a different kind of taping--The Tinybox for super stealthy economic jobs, and the NBox where quality is more important than size. Each to his own, actually. I'd love to get both if they used the same jack. That's my opinion, and the more choices we tapers have the better.
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I think both products are great, I just think one is best suited for a different kind of taping--The Tinybox for super stealthy economic jobs, and the NBox where quality is more important than size. Each to his own, actually. I'd love to get both if they used the same jack. That's my opinion, and the more choices we tapers have the better.
This is my plan. Use the tinybox when security is an issue, use the nbox when it isn't. Despite what othere here have said, the difference in size is a big deal under certain circumstances.
I love the sound of some of nick's recodings that i've heard with the new nbox. His NIN philly smokes. But on the other hand, i've taped about 80 shows in the past year and a half with the schoeps > tinybox setup, and i've done some really good ones. I've never had an issue with overloading as long as it's set on low gain.
Regardless, looking forward to trying out the nbox in the future.
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Never once have I said a bad word about you or your products..if I have to be guilty by association then so be it. But remeber this..I have helped put food on your table by selling those cables which you and others have publicly bashed on here with your bogus specs and testing that is way off base. I have purchased your PFAs and helped you sell tinyboxes for our cables but I'm done with that..like you publicly bashed another company for non payment I'm done with you too.
Please stay out of my threads and I will stay out of yours, oh and grow up dude :-*
I agree with you Nicky! I owned a tinybox and i didnt like it for one it couldnt handle taping FOB wsp without overloading on the low setting.I think team va got like 2 good recordings out of many attempts using the TB. Compared to all my other pre amps that can handle all the same music without issue.Great Idea and perfect for someone starting off.Bottom line if you want to have Schoeps True Sound Buy Real Schoeps Gear it is a difference.
I have never had a Tinybox overload ever and I have recorded a lot of Rock/metal in smaller clubs?
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I have never had a Tinybox overload ever and I have recorded a lot of Rock/metal in smaller clubs?
This has been my experience also. I've done stack tapes in some of the loudest clubs around LA, and never overloaded. A friend had an issue with distortion/brickwalling, but it was because he was running mid gain at some loud shows. After switching to low, it was never a problem again.
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That was probably the same error I had and attribute the clipping to the switch setting in the Tinybox.
I do like the size. Size matters at some venues.
All that said, the NBox sounds better to my ears and is easier to operate--one switch.
I can't wait for the Platinum.
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FWIW, I have no issues with the nBox and security, including walkthrough metal detectors and hand wands.... when I have been caught at security it has been a hand too close to my "nutz" and I havd just tried another door/guard and breezed right in
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How much and how big is the new N-Box?
Thanks,
Datfly
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How much and how big is the new N-Box?
Thanks,
Datfly
I'm pretty sure its the exact same box as the nbox/nbox+! As for price, I have no clue! But it supposedly runs for over 50+ hours with the nbox platinum
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Same size.
By the way, I agree and I have never seen a venue that I couldn't get the NBox into whether crotching, footing, carrying it in my hand, or hiding in plain sight, I've never been shut out. So I think the idea that a taper needs a smaller box is misplaced.
A Tinybox will set the wand off in the same degree as an NBox as it is made of metal and batteries.
The recorder becomes a bigger issue, because I can't explain that its not a recorder. Mine says "recorder" on the front, and even a Jedi Mind Trick won't fool the simpletons at venue security on that one.
I'm not sure of the price, but whatever it is, I'll pay it. I love my NBox--I have three of them!
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Got mine yesterday and can't wait to run it.
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Got mine yesterday and can't wait to run it.
Nice. Look forward to hearing some of your recordings.
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Got mine yesterday and can't wait to run it.
I can't wait to hear it too :)
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A Tinybox will set the wand off in the same degree as an NBox as it is made of metal and batteries.
The mass of metal, along with size, mostly determines the strength of the wand signal.
A keychain with one key is less of a signal than 20 keys.
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The mass of metal, along with size, mostly determines the strength of the wand signal.
A keychain with one key is less of a signal than 20 keys.
How does any of this keep events safe from terrorists or assh0les?
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The mass of metal, along with size, mostly determines the strength of the wand signal.
A keychain with one key is less of a signal than 20 keys.
How does any of this keep events safe from terrorists or assh0les?
it doesn't most of the time, warm fuzzy false sense of safety
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The mass of metal, along with size, mostly determines the strength of the wand signal.
A keychain with one key is less of a signal than 20 keys.
How does any of this keep events safe from terrorists or assh0les?
the same way TSA keeps flights safe by not allowing bottles of water on planes. :facepalm:
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The Nbox kills fascists.
At least mine does.
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I let the nbox-p run from Sunday night into Monday and the M10 ran out of juice after 20 hours but the nbox-p was still going. I repeat, the M10 died first.
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Impressive!
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In my initial battery testing, i got 45 hours of record time on a set of Imedion rechargeable 9 volts.
I shut it down after 45 hours!! It was still recording, but had to go to a show.
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My most recent outing:
https://archive.org/details/TM2014-11-28
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Nice tapin'.
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Sheep!
More importantly, turning me on to a new band.
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My most recent outing:
https://archive.org/details/TM2014-11-28
I've seen those guys!!!.... had no idea they were open and on the archive, though, that's good to know for the future!!
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Recent Platinum goodness :-)
https://soundcloud.com/edtyre/ttb2014-12-06mk4vedtyret10
https://soundcloud.com/edtyre/ttb2014-12-05mk4vedtyret04
https://soundcloud.com/edtyre/tedeschitrucks2014-12-04t13
https://soundcloud.com/edtyre/chuckprophet2014-11-23mk4edtyret19
https://soundcloud.com/edtyre/lucindawilliams2014-11-15mk4vedtyret03
https://soundcloud.com/edtyre/tomrush2014-11-14d2t01
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I'd like mine in the plastic version please...
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Mmmm...still spitty! :tomato:
(I couldn't resist; I kid, I kid! I haven't even listened to any of the samples posted.)
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Mmmm...still spitty!
You know what the rule is. If you say spitty three times, fluff will come back.
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Mmmm...still spitty!
You know what the rule is. If you say spitty three times, fluff will come back.
Hahaha so true ;D
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Mmmm...still spitty! :tomato:
(I couldn't resist; I kid, I kid! I haven't even listened to any of the samples posted.)
Haha. Hi Brian! The spittiest
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Oh and mr skalomander have you recorded any dinosaur junior lately with your sonosux?
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Hmmm..maybe I will have to pull my nbox out of retirement and check into the cost of upgrading. Did I read correctly that our old nbox's could be retrofitted?
I've been running my tinybox for several years now and love the size and haven't had any real issues and I've always run on the mid setting. My issue with the nbox was always the battery life. I remember taping a Cure show and wondering if I'd make it. The nbox is also the only gear of mine that TSA has done a bomb test on (twice).
I guess a PM is in order.
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"nbox platinum received this morning. Good timing! Thanks for your continuing pursuit of HQ recording."
Messages like that keep me inspired ;D
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Im interested !! Any pics and price ?
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https://archive.org/details/gsbg2015-01-20.mk4v.taraszki.flac24
First show with my Nbox-Platinum. Not a great sounding room. The recording sounds better than it did live. So far I'm impressed.
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https://archive.org/details/gsbg2015-01-20.mk4v.taraszki.flac24
First show with my Nbox-Platinum. Not a great sounding room. The recording sounds better than it did live. So far I'm impressed.
Welcome to Team Platinum Craig!
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Here's a few pics, ask Nick for the prices.
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/edtyre2/IMG_0227_zpssuipm3oy.jpg) (http://s931.photobucket.com/user/edtyre2/media/IMG_0227_zpssuipm3oy.jpg.html)
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/edtyre2/IMG_0229_zpsws6qho4e.jpg) (http://s931.photobucket.com/user/edtyre2/media/IMG_0229_zpsws6qho4e.jpg.html)
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/edtyre2/IMG_0230_zpscb7c5p8t.jpg) (http://s931.photobucket.com/user/edtyre2/media/IMG_0230_zpscb7c5p8t.jpg.html)
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Here's a few pics, ask Nick for the prices.
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/edtyre2/IMG_0227_zpssuipm3oy.jpg) (http://s931.photobucket.com/user/edtyre2/media/IMG_0227_zpssuipm3oy.jpg.html)
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/edtyre2/IMG_0229_zpsws6qho4e.jpg) (http://s931.photobucket.com/user/edtyre2/media/IMG_0229_zpsws6qho4e.jpg.html)
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/edtyre2/IMG_0230_zpscb7c5p8t.jpg) (http://s931.photobucket.com/user/edtyre2/media/IMG_0230_zpscb7c5p8t.jpg.html)
is the case/outside any different then a "normal" nbox or is it just the guts that differ?
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is the case/outside any different then a "normal" nbox or is it just the guts that differ?
Case is the same, guts are different.
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is the case/outside any different then a "normal" nbox or is it just the guts that differ?
Case is the same, guts are different.
Does Nicky do heart transplants?
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I will have one soon :)
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is the case/outside any different then a "normal" nbox or is it just the guts that differ?
Case is the same, guts are different.
Does Nicky do heart transplants?
Yes
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I will have one soon :)
What about the vms? ;)
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Hi!
Finally tried my platinum the other day. It seems to output a way hotter signal than the old nbox. See the attachment, something like this brickwalling never happened before the switch. Has anyone else had the same problem? Nick, can anything be done about this?
-Colargol
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That doesn't look right at all. The output on mine is the same as the original. I am sure Nick will take care of it.
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Hi!
Finally tried my platinum the other day. It seems to output a way hotter signal than the old nbox. See the attachment, something like this brickwalling never happened before the switch. Has anyone else had the same problem? Nick, can anything be done about this?
-Colargol
Pm sent
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Finally tried my platinum the other day. It seems to output a way hotter signal than the old nbox. See the attachment, something like this brickwalling never happened before the switch. Has anyone else had the same problem? Nick, can anything be done about this?
I only saw that issue when I had battery or cable issues... but I am sure Nick has an answer for you :)
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Finally tried my platinum the other day. It seems to output a way hotter signal than the old nbox. See the attachment, something like this brickwalling never happened before the switch. Has anyone else had the same problem? Nick, can anything be done about this?
I only saw that issue when I had battery or cable issues... but I am sure Nick has an answer for you :)
I checked the batteries before I left home, they had very acceptable levels on my multimeter. What kind of cable problem would cause such situations, any ideas?
I am communicating with Nick, I am sure we will figure it out.
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Just a little lesson I learned over the past month. I ran the NBox-P for the first time about a month ago and left everything connected with the power off. I went to use it this past Friday and the batteries were dead.
From Nicky:
the actives connected will drain the two 9volts that power the jfets in the cables
Be sure to disconnect the mic cable between uses if you need to conserve battery power.
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^i think that is true of all nbox's.
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^i think that is true of all nbox's.
Yep.
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somebody sell me on this vs my tinybox.
its obvious a lot bigger... whats the ups and downs? my tinybox is fully tricked out with the low noise mods, etc:
-tinybox with 6-pin xlr in, able to power both nbob actives (ta6f) and cmrs.
-LNA option
-gain settings: +4, +18, +30
-dual minijack unbalanced outputs, same gain
also how much are these selling for?
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somebody sell me on this vs my tinybox.
its obvious a lot bigger... whats the ups and downs? my tinybox is fully tricked out with the low noise mods, etc:
-tinybox with 6-pin xlr in, able to power both nbob actives (ta6f) and cmrs.
-LNA option
-gain settings: +4, +18, +30
-dual minijack unbalanced outputs, same gain
also how much are these selling for?
paging Nick.
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are there any more boards in stock for purchase/upgrade?
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are there any more boards in stock for purchase/upgrade?
New batch of boards are now in!
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Nbox platinum is now available for kcy cables.
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How much does one of these cost? With and without your cables, Nick...
Thanks
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450 without and 1000 with
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450 without and 1000 with
Is that cost or upgrade cost?
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450 without and 1000 with
Is that cost or upgrade cost?
That's new cost
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?. I just recieved my Schoeps cables you repaired a few weeks ago. I'm in MN. Would the nbox platinum be compatible with my cables?
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?. I just recieved my Schoeps cables you repaired a few weeks ago. I'm in MN. Would the nbox platinum be compatible with my cables?
Yes
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?. I just recieved my Schoeps cables you repaired a few weeks ago. I'm in MN. Would the nbox platinum be compatible with my cables?
Yes
Here is an image of the first ever Nbox Platinum KCY version! PM schoepsnbox if interested!
(http://i526.photobucket.com/albums/cc343/bustereyes/Mobile%20Uploads/70C5ED3C-8A50-4EE9-B234-80AD4A8734F2.jpg) (http://s526.photobucket.com/user/bustereyes/media/Mobile%20Uploads/70C5ED3C-8A50-4EE9-B234-80AD4A8734F2.jpg.html)
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Any samples?
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Is there spec sheet posted anywhere for Nbox KCY.
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Any samples?
Taping something on Friday.
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450 without and 1000 with
Awesome price!
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Can an adapter cable be built so either a KCY or nbox cable could be used? Or does the connector change the internal components that are used? I was thinking that the nbox cable is missing a resistor or something that the KCY has or vice versa
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Schweet 8) 40+ hours on the 3 batteries is amazing too! Its purdy. Simple, elegant and I'm sure it sounds great if its like the other nbox p!
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I love the 3 connectors and a switch!!
No gimmicks or gadgets just in out power and great sound.
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I love the 3 connectors and a switch!!
No gimmicks or gadgets just in out power and great sound.
Very easy to use and has a fixed gain of 18. I am sure I will be using the nbox more than the sax.
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I love the 3 connectors and a switch!!
No gimmicks or gadgets just in out power and great sound.
Very easy to use and has a fixed gain of 18. I am sure I will be using the nbox more than the sax.
Because you prefer the sound, or because of the simplicity, or both??
Just curious.. I'm considering switching back to the N-side.
Is the fixed +18db standard?.. or did you ask for that?
Thanks.
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Fixed gain.
Simple to use, cannot possibly screw up recordings with this preamp.
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If I have the Nbob actives/Naiant PFA cables, is there a version that would allow dual XLR in, as well as dual XLR out?
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^You don't need the PFA with the Nbox. The Nbob cable can plug straight into the Nbox. Just gotta have compatible connectors on cable and box.
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^You don't need the PFA with the Nbox. The Nbob cable can plug straight into the Nbox. Just gotta have compatible connectors on cable and box.
What I'm asking is what if I already have the cables w/ PFA? I wouldn't want the PFA's chopped off in case I want to try something else in the future just so I can use the new Nbox.
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^You don't need the PFA with the Nbox. The Nbob cable can plug straight into the Nbox. Just gotta have compatible connectors on cable and box.
What I'm asking is what if I already have the cables w/ PFA? I wouldn't want the PFA's chopped off in case I want to try something else in the future just so I can use the new Nbox.
You just need to insert a splice in the cable. See thread below with pictures.
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=150752.0
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Again I wouldn't want to alter my current cables in case I want to run straight into the XLR of my deck, or a different preamp. Since my actives terminate in the Naiant PFA XLR, is there a Y-cable that could attach to the dual PFA XLR's and terminate into something that could go into the Nbox? That way I don't have to permanently alter my cables.
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Again I wouldn't want to alter my current cables in case I want to run straight into the XLR of my deck, or a different preamp. Since my actives terminate in the Naiant PFA XLR, is there a Y-cable that could attach to the dual PFA XLR's and terminate into something that could go into the Nbox? That way I don't have to permanently alter my cables.
And I want a pony.
The answer is no. You have to insert a splice into your cables. Not sure what the opposition is.
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I have a PFA adapter cable for use with my Nbox cables but havent gotten the opportunity to use it yet. I believe I read somewhere here where Jon said the PFA adapters do add to the noise floor so wouldn't splicing the cable be a better option anyway if you wanted to use the Nbox? I love the versatility the PFA adapter cable provides but if I just going to use an Nbox wouldn't you be better off without the PFA in the signal path?
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Thanks for the insight, just curious to see if there's a way to potentially use the Nbox without having to alter my cables. Who knows? I might not like the Nbox, so I don't want to do anything permanent to the cables I have.
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Nbox does not provide P48. So a PFA can not be used with an Nbox. No ifs ands or buts about it.
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Two binder connectors(Male & Female) will only run you $25-$30 MAX, and ask Robb or Ted to do it for you. You can probably get the splice done for $50 or under. It would make your cable MORE versatile, not less. Just unplug the binder and either plug it into the PFAs, or the NBox. Simple as that! And if you don't like the NBox Im sure you could resell it rather quick if its a new platinum ;)
Best of luck!
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First Ever Nbox Platinum KCY Live Recording.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=579266
Bela Fleck & Abigail Washburn
April 10, 2015
Keswick Theater
Glenside, PA
Source: Schoeps mk41 > KCY 250/5 Ig > Nbox Platinum > Sony M10 (24/48)
Lineage: Lexar Card Reader > CD Wave > Trader's Little Helper (level 8) > tagged using Foobar2000
Location: Row B Seat 113
Taped and Transfered by Tapeworm
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Can these be done in different colors like Jerry is now offering with the Aerco?? Does the kcy version provide 60v to the caps?? Thanks
450 without and 1000 with
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Can these be done in different colors like Jerry is now offering with the Aerco?? Does the kcy version provide 60v to the caps?? Thanks
450 without and 1000 with
Never looked into different colors but I'm game to do so..and yes full 60 volts is provided for the capsules.
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First Ever Nbox Platinum KCY Live Recording.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=579266
Bela Fleck & Abigail Washburn
April 10, 2010
Keswick Theater
Glenside, PA
Source: Schoeps mk41 > KCY 250/5 Ig > Nbox Platinum > Sony M10 (24/48)
Lineage: Lexar Card Reader > CD Wave > Trader's Little Helper (level 8) > tagged using Foobar2000
Location: Row B Seat 113
Taped and Transfered by Tapeworm
just curious, why did it take four yrs to come out widespread
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First Ever Nbox Platinum KCY Live Recording.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=579266
Bela Fleck & Abigail Washburn
April 10, 2010
Keswick Theater
Glenside, PA
Source: Schoeps mk41 > KCY 250/5 Ig > Nbox Platinum > Sony M10 (24/48)
Lineage: Lexar Card Reader > CD Wave > Trader's Little Helper (level 8) > tagged using Foobar2000
Location: Row B Seat 113
Taped and Transfered by Tapeworm
just curious, why did it take four yrs to come out widespread
It's a typo.
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First Ever Nbox Platinum KCY Live Recording.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=579266
Bela Fleck & Abigail Washburn
April 10, 2010
Keswick Theater
Glenside, PA
Source: Schoeps mk41 > KCY 250/5 Ig > Nbox Platinum > Sony M10 (24/48)
Lineage: Lexar Card Reader > CD Wave > Trader's Little Helper (level 8) > tagged using Foobar2000
Location: Row B Seat 113
Taped and Transfered by Tapeworm
just curious, why did it take four yrs to come out widespread
It's a typo.
:facepalm: thanks
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Sorry everyone the year is 2015. Typo..
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Two binder connectors(Male & Female) will only run you $25-$30 MAX, and ask Robb or Ted to do it for you. You can probably get the splice done for $50 or under. It would make your cable MORE versatile, not less. Just unplug the binder and either plug it into the PFAs, or the NBox. Simple as that! And if you don't like the NBox Im sure you could resell it rather quick if its a new platinum ;)
Best of luck!
This is how my cables are set up. Terminated for NBox ( not binder ) and and adapter to use PFAs for my Aerco, or any 48V pre.
Now I'm curious. Can the new NBox cables terminated in a Schoeps binder be used with the the VMS02IB or VMS5U? What about the old cables with an adapter? EN3-->Schoeps Binder?
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Two binder connectors(Male & Female) will only run you $25-$30 MAX, and ask Robb or Ted to do it for you. You can probably get the splice done for $50 or under. It would make your cable MORE versatile, not less. Just unplug the binder and either plug it into the PFAs, or the NBox. Simple as that! And if you don't like the NBox Im sure you could resell it rather quick if its a new platinum ;)
Best of luck!
This is how my cables are set up. Terminated for NBox ( not binder ) and and adapter to use PFAs for my Aerco, or any 48V pre.
Now I'm curious. Can the new NBox cables terminated in a Schoeps binder be used with the the VMS02IB or VMS5U? What about the old cables with an adapter? EN3-->Schoeps Binder?
As long as the actives have a binder connector at the end, they can be used with a new NBox Platinum, a VMS02ib, or a VMS5u ;) Also a LittleBox/Tinybox like I run too, and a Lemosax[Sonosax with a Schoeps KCY input(Binder)]
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So cables terminated for the Nbox, but also an adapter to potentially just use cables with p48 pre or deck seems like a cool idea. The only problem for me seems to be the Nbox doesn't have the options going into the deck I need, right? Or am I missing something? My DR-70D only has XLR in for the 4 channles, no RCA or mini.
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So cables terminated for the Nbox, but also an adapter to potentially just use cables with p48 pre or deck seems like a cool idea. The only problem for me seems to be the Nbox doesn't have the options going into the deck I need, right? Or am I missing something? My DR-70D only has XLR in for the 4 channles, no RCA or mini.
Actually if I'm not mistaken the 70d also has an 1/8 mini input.
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So cables terminated for the Nbox, but also an adapter to potentially just use cables with p48 pre or deck seems like a cool idea. The only problem for me seems to be the Nbox doesn't have the options going into the deck I need, right? Or am I missing something? My DR-70D only has XLR in for the 4 channles, no RCA or mini.
Actually if I'm not mistaken the 70d also has an 1/8 mini input.
Nick. Sent you a PM. I have a couple of questions for ya.
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You could also go from the Nbox RCA > XLR in on the 70d I did this with my Aerco MP-2 when I had it. You just need rca>xlr cable
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Actually if I'm not mistaken the 70d also has an 1/8 mini input.
It sure does.
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Actually if I'm not mistaken the 70d also has an 1/8 mini input.
It sure does.
Not for all 4 channels I don't think; could be wrong. I think 1L/2R/3L/4R are XLR/6.3mm (1/4") TRS combos
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Two binder connectors(Male & Female) will only run you $25-$30 MAX, and ask Robb or Ted to do it for you. You can probably get the splice done for $50 or under. It would make your cable MORE versatile, not less. Just unplug the binder and either plug it into the PFAs, or the NBox. Simple as that! And if you don't like the NBox Im sure you could resell it rather quick if its a new platinum ;)
Best of luck!
This is how my cables are set up. Terminated for NBox ( not binder ) and and adapter to use PFAs for my Aerco, or any 48V pre.
Now I'm curious. Can the new NBox cables terminated in a Schoeps binder be used with the the VMS02IB or VMS5U? What about the old cables with an adapter? EN3-->Schoeps Binder?
As long as the actives have a binder connector at the end, they can be used with a new NBox Platinum, a VMS02ib, or a VMS5u ;) Also a LittleBox/Tinybox like I run too, and a Lemosax[Sonosax with a Schoeps KCY input(Binder)]
Sorry Bean, need to correct a bit of misinformation here.
Nbox cables designed for use with an Nbox (or any custom made preamp by Bill / Rick / Nick / etc.) can only be used with those boxes or a PFA / Tinybox. They are electrically different than genuine Schoeps KC/KCY cables, specifically there is one fewer cable conductor, the circuit is internally grounded, and the FET voltage rail is different. If you have a pair of Nbox cables, there is no way to use them a VMS / Lemosax unit because they are not electronically compatible.
A connector is just a connector; it has no bearing on what devices the active cable will work with, so simply re-terminating a pair of Nbox cables to a 5-pin binder will not magically make it compatible with the VMS.
My understanding is that Nic also now offers custom active cables built to original KC / KCY, in which case could use it those with a VMS, but I believe the overwhelming majority of people that have purchased cables from Nic have the Nbox variant. If I were buying Schoeps active cables, which I'm not since I already own six pairs, I would only get a genuine KC/KCY configuration. It's more flexible / non-proprietary and there are a number of technical reasons to prefer it. YMMV.
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Classic Bean...quoting prices for other peoples' custom work then making recommendations on gear he actually owns but knows nothing about.... ::)
I'm putting money in a jar for an NBox platinum. Should only take me a few years.
I wish my tax refund would come through at least I could have picked up one of the many pairs of Schoeps caps (41s) that have been in the YS.
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The notion that one type of cable is superior to another is absolutely FALSE.
Neither system is balanced regardless of how many conductors are used to make up the fet circuit.
Only difference is one is grounded in the capsule head and the other is on the other end. That's all I have to say about that 8)
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Opinions are like assholes...
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::)
Not again...
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Classic Bean...quoting prices for other peoples' custom work then making recommendations on gear he actually owns but knows nothing about.... ::)
I'm putting money in a jar for an NBox platinum. Should only take me a few years.
I wish my tax refund would come through at least I could have picked up one of the many pairs of Schoeps caps (41s) that have been in the YS.
There is still a pair in YS. I got mine. ;D
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Two binder connectors(Male & Female) will only run you $25-$30 MAX, and ask Robb or Ted to do it for you. You can probably get the splice done for $50 or under. It would make your cable MORE versatile, not less. Just unplug the binder and either plug it into the PFAs, or the NBox. Simple as that! And if you don't like the NBox Im sure you could resell it rather quick if its a new platinum ;)
Best of luck!
This is how my cables are set up. Terminated for NBox ( not binder ) and and adapter to use PFAs for my Aerco, or any 48V pre.
Now I'm curious. Can the new NBox cables terminated in a Schoeps binder be used with the the VMS02IB or VMS5U? What about the old cables with an adapter? EN3-->Schoeps Binder?
As long as the actives have a binder connector at the end, they can be used with a new NBox Platinum, a VMS02ib, or a VMS5u ;) Also a LittleBox/Tinybox like I run too, and a Lemosax[Sonosax with a Schoeps KCY input(Binder)]
Sorry Bean, need to correct a bit of misinformation here.
Nbox cables designed for use with an Nbox (or any custom made preamp by Bill / Rick / Nick / etc.) can only be used with those boxes or a PFA / Tinybox. They are electrically different than genuine Schoeps KC/KCY cables, specifically there is one fewer cable conductor, the circuit is internally grounded, and the FET voltage rail is different. If you have a pair of Nbox cables, there is no way to use them a VMS / Lemosax unit because they are not electronically compatible.
A connector is just a connector; it has no bearing on what devices the active cable will work with, so simply re-terminating a pair of Nbox cables to a 5-pin binder will not magically make it compatible with the VMS.
My understanding is that Nic also now offers custom active cables built to original KC / KCY, in which case could use it those with a VMS, but I believe the overwhelming majority of people that have purchased cables from Nic have the Nbox variant. If I were buying Schoeps active cables, which I'm not since I already own six pairs, I would only get a genuine KC/KCY configuration. It's more flexible / non-proprietary and there are a number of technical reasons to prefer it. YMMV.
Yeah, sorry about that. I definitely didnt word that right! I didn't mean you can just put a Binder on it and it'll work. I know the cables are electronically different! I meant an NBob KCY or Schoeps KCY, with a binder on the end, will work with those preamps I listed! I know the NBox cables have a totally different connector[not a binder] and you can only use those cables with an NBox! And I forgot to state that when I listed the NBox Platinum above, I forgot to add the KCY at the end 8)
With the NBox connector, you can only use the Nbox. Period. With an NBob KCY or Schoeps KCY, you can use the NBox Platinum KCY, VMS02ib/VMS5u, Lemosax, and the Littlebox/Tinybox.
And sorry Nicky, I didn't mean to quote prices for you or Ted. I was simply stating that a binder connector isn't that expensive and it shouldn't cost him an arm and a leg to get the work done ;) That is all.
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Classic Bean...quoting prices for other peoples' custom work then making recommendations on gear he actually owns but knows nothing about.... ::)
I'm putting money in a jar for an NBox platinum. Should only take me a few years.
I wish my tax refund would come through at least I could have picked up one of the many pairs of Schoeps caps (41s) that have been in the YS.
Well, its raining Schoeps lately, so hopefully the 41s are still around when you get it!
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Scooter's Doyle recording kicks ass. Grab it if you haven't already,
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=523789&page=0#startcomments
Doyle Bramhall II
Live at The Slidebar
Fullerton, CA
2015 04-01
Genre: Blues Rock
Audience Tape: A
Mikes: Schoeps mk4 > Actives > NBox Platinum>
Recorder: Sony M-10
Transfer: Goldwave (Volume Boost, Compression > Dither to 16b) > Media Monkey (Flac Transfer L8)
Location: Right Center
Recorded by Scooter123
Tapers Trade List: http://db.etree.org/mylibbydog
NOT FOR SALE. FREE TRADE ONLY
Tapers Notes:
I know very little about this guy, except he played with Sheryl Crow and Clapton
and I was very impressed. The genre is sorta Stevie Ray Vaughn-Jimi Hendrix style.
The track list is unknown, so help me out with names.
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IF you like Doyle try this one too
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=509550
The source is a typo, nbox platinum is used, not nbox +
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http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=525634
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=579529
Primus
April 24, 2015
Hershey Theater
Hershay PA
Source: Schoeps mk4 > KCY 250/5 Ig > Nbox Platinum > Sony M10 (24/48)
Lineage: Lexar Card Reader > Wavelab(resample/dither) > CD Wave > Trader's Little Helper (level 8) > tagged using Foobar2000
Location: Row M Seat 104
Taped and Transfered by Tapeworm
Set 1:
01. Intro
02. Those Damned Blue-Collar Tweekers
03. Last Salmon Man
04. Groundhog's Day
05. American Life
06. Over the Falls
07. Lee Van Cleef
08. The Toys Go Winding Down
09. My Name Is Mud
10. Jerry Was a Race Car Driver
Set 2:
Primus & the Chocolate Factory with The Fungi Ensemble:
01. Hello Wonkites
02. Candy Man
03. Cheer Up, Charlie
04. Golden Ticket
05. Lermaninoff
06. Pure Imagination
07. Oompa Augustus
08. Semi-Wondrous Boat Ride
09. Oompa Violet
10. I Want It Now
11. Oompa Veruca
12. Wonkmobile
13. Oompa TV
14. Farewell Wonkites
Encore:
15. crowd
16. Mr. Knowitall
17. Southbound Pachyderm
18. Here Come the Bastards
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Ran some battery tests on the nbox platinum with rechargeable 9 volts and got 38.5 hours so far. The test is still going.
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Ran some battery tests on the nbox platinum with rechargeable 9 volts and got 38.5 hours so far. The test is still going.
Still going at 55 hours.
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Ran some battery tests on the nbox platinum with rechargeable 9 volts and got 38.5 hours so far. The test is still going.
Still going at 55 hours.
Pretty shabby. ;)
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Ran some battery tests on the nbox platinum with rechargeable 9 volts and got 38.5 hours so far. The test is still going.
Still going at 55 hours.
Pretty shabby. ;)
That means @ 3.5 hrs per show I couldn't even do 16 full shows without having to change a battery. I think I need to keep looking. ;D
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Ran some battery tests on the nbox platinum with rechargeable 9 volts and got 38.5 hours so far. The test is still going.
Still going at 55 hours.
Pretty shabby. ;)
That means @ 3.5 hrs per show I couldn't even do 16 full shows without having to change a battery. I think I need to keep looking. ;D
70 hours and counting!
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86.5 and still going.
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Are you using rechargeable batteries?
86.5 and still going.
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Are you using rechargeable batteries?
86.5 and still going.
Yes I am using rechargeable.
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I'm assuming mics and recorder are hooked up, so the box is under load? Have you checked the recorded waveform? Not sure if this might happen with the NBox, but some small, portable preamps I've used in the past have produced low amplitude and sometimes distorted waveforms as the batteries continue to deliver power but at lower and lower voltage.
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I have it hooked up and sending signal to a recorder Tascam 70D and M10 when the Tascam battery dies. I am monitoring it with good head phones. I will check the wave form when I am done testing. I am only testing the batteries
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I'm assuming mics and recorder are hooked up, so the box is under load? Have you checked the recorded waveform? Not sure if this might happen with the NBox, but some small, portable preamps I've used in the past have produced low amplitude and sometimes distorted waveforms as the batteries continue to deliver power but at lower and lower voltage.
I speak from experience, when the original nBox was used, and the rechargables die, they go quick and the waveform goes out quick. I have a JPG of it, but I cant find it off hand.
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Over 100 hours. No other pre amp gave us over 100 hours on three 9 volts.
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Does the Platinum only take 3 batteries?? The old Nbox needs 4
Over 100 hours. No other pre amp gave us over 100 hours on three 9 volts.
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Mine uses 4 but it isn't the kcy version. Maybe it is different.
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Have you swapped the batteries like needed for the older nbox?
Crazy stuff!! :o
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Does the Platinum only take 3 batteries?? The old Nbox needs 4
Over 100 hours. No other pre amp gave us over 100 hours on three 9 volts.
The Kcy version uses 3 batteries. Th other versions use 4
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Nice to know!! Thanks
Does the Platinum only take 3 batteries?? The old Nbox needs 4
Over 100 hours. No other pre amp gave us over 100 hours on three 9 volts.
The Kcy version uses 3 batteries. Th other versions use 4
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That could be because no other preamp used 3 9Vs, but a v2 littlebox running 4x AA or 2x 9V would have run 60 hours powering KCY. A KCY tinybox with the high efficiency amp would have run 40 hours with a battery that was only 4.8Wh, which is a bit less than a single 9V.
I tried your tiny box and could not make a complete recording. There must be a reason that you are not making any new boxes or supporting your old ones.
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That could be because no other preamp used 3 9Vs, but a v2 littlebox running 4x AA or 2x 9V would have run 60 hours powering KCY. A KCY tinybox with the high efficiency amp would have run 40 hours with a battery that was only 4.8Wh, which is a bit less than a single 9V.
I tried your tiny box and could not make a complete recording. There must be a reason that you are not making any new boxes or supporting your old ones.
That wasn't very nice.
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I tried your tiny box and could not make a complete recording. There must be a reason that you are not making any new boxes or supporting your old ones.
Let's not turn this into one of those nasty threads... I have nbox platinum and tinybox, and I am very happy with both. My tinybox runs 30-40 hours continously on one charge.
-colargol
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I tried your tiny box and could not make a complete recording. There must be a reason that you are not making any new boxes or supporting your old ones.
Let's not turn this into one of those nasty threads... I have nbox platinum and tinybox, and I am very happy with both. My tinybox runs 30-40 hours continously on one charge.
-colargol
X2
I have both a stock nbox and a TB with OT. I've pulled serious heat with both boxes on 007 missions.
My only complaint about the stock nbox was the battery consumption. Now that that particular playing-field has been leveled, I choose the nbox.
I prefer the sound of the nbox and the simplicity of operation.
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My only complaint about the stock nbox was the battery consumption. Now that that particular playing-field has been leveled, I choose the nbox.
I prefer the sound of the nbox and the simplicity of operation.
Agreed on both sides, and rants can zip-it
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Here is a sample of my issue with Naint's Tiny box. Please note I changed out the pre amp for my sono sax and did not hear this weird noise. He would NOT answer any of my emails or phone calls (Bad business). When I tried to get my money back, he was extremely rude. I eventually got it back. I had similar issues on every recording I tried to make.
https://soundcloud.com/tapeworm-1/tiny-box-issue
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why are we discussing the tiny crap in here? This is an nbox thread and should not need any more.
Can the mods clear this other crap out, or move them to another thread?
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why are we discussing the tiny crap in here? This is an nbox thread and should not need any more.
Can the mods clear this other crap out, or move them to another thread?
You are right! Naint was the one who had to chime in.. This is an Nbox thread. Lets leave it at that!
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why are we discussing the tiny crap in here? This is an nbox thread and should not need any more.
Can the mods clear this other crap out, or move them to another thread?
You are right! Naint was the one who had to chime in.. This is an Nbox thread. Lets leave it at that!
If you guys don't want any discussion of the Tinybox in this thread, then don't bring up the Tinybox. It's not as though JS is gratuitously spamming this NBox thread. If he was, I would consider moderating. But as it stands, as best I can gather JS has only chimed in on the thread either <1> in response to someone mentioning the Tinybox, or <2> with helpful technical information and without any mention of Tinybox.
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IMHO, the technical discussions have value, but he is being called out for not supporting his products and the back and forth banter should go elsewhere... I dont mean just out of the nBox thread, shouldnt there be a sub forum for complaints on products?
From my side of things, and again this is my opinion, Nick is doing a great service (and this is nothing against any other craftsmen/women on this whole site) whose product I love and will continue to use until the end of time. I do compare my recordings to other recordings form the same show, but I have chosen to stick right here (and even upgrade) with Nick. If others chose to switch products, so be it, but there is zero need to beat up others, for any reason
Long live the Nick products, they have a place/purpose/value!
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I'm sorry, gmm6797, but there are plenty of examples of the Nbox 'team' and supporters shitting on other people's products on this forum. I'm even half tempted to even review your own post history.
In any event, Brian is right and threads here are rarely, if ever, moderated for off-topic discussion.
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I'm sorry, gmm6797, but there are plenty of examples of the Nbox 'team' and supporters shitting on other people's products on this forum. I'm even half tempted to even review your own post history.
In any event, Brian is right and threads here are rarely, if ever, moderated for off-topic discussion.
"hi and lo" go for it, I am not hiding anything and rarely even lurk outside of the threads that I follow, which are pretty limited at that.
It is America, having in a opinion is a right, being an ass**** is what we should all avoid (and no, I am not accusing anyone of being this, I just dont want to see it get there... in this or any other thread)
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It was months ago when Nick and Jon decided not to do business together any longer. So why keep coming into this thread offering your opinion on gear you don't own? I don't see it happening from the other side. It is pretty obvious trolling.
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I'm sorry, gmm6797, but there are plenty of examples of the Nbox 'team' and supporters shitting on other people's products on this forum. I'm even half tempted to even review your own post history.
In any event, Brian is right and threads here are rarely, if ever, moderated for off-topic discussion.
"hi and lo" go for it, I am not hiding anything and rarely even lurk outside of the threads that I follow, which are pretty limited at that.
It is America, having in a opinion is a right, being an ass**** is what we should all avoid (and no, I am not accusing anyone of being this, I just dont want to see it get there... in this or any other thread)
Seems to me you took it "there" When referring to the Naiant product as ..."Tiny Crap", to me that was a pretty well aimed shot by someone trying to avoid being an Ass****. That aside I like Jon and Nick and have used the Tinybox and Nbob cables for over 2 years and couldn't be happier, each has always stood behind there product and have never had a issue communicating with either.
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.....Seems to me you took it "there" When referring to the Naiant product as ..."Tiny Crap".....
You must have me mistaken with someone else, as I have no opinion of any tiny* products, never used them or owned them... I have only ever used/owned Nicks, Schoeps and a Core Sound (many many years back)
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why are we discussing the tiny crap in here? This is an nbox thread and should not need any more.
Can the mods clear this other crap out, or move them to another thread?
Short memory
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Let's keep this thread productive please..how about those new run times? 8)
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Ran some battery tests on the nbox platinum with rechargeable 9 volts and got 38.5 hours so far. The test is still going.
100 hours is quite impressive! I'm curious about your test. I assume that the nBox is hooked up to mics and is recording a loud enough signal?
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Jon...Everyone here knows you are very smart and knowledgeable. I am asking you not to comment in here anymore just to stop the bullshit.
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Jon...Everyone here knows you are very smart and knowledgeable. I am asking you not to comment in here anymore just to stop the bullshit.
As I noted previously, when it comes to Naiant gear specifically, JS has posted in response to others. But now you're asking him not to do so. So anyone else in the thread can post about Naiant gear...but JS isn't supposed to respond? That makes no sense to me.