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Time to upgrade
« on: September 18, 2003, 07:34:23 PM »
Looking to sell my Nak300's (not sure where just yet!) and some other misc I have at home in order to get some new mics..

What I'd really like is AKG 480's w/card caps... BUT 800 per mic is a little out of my current range...

thinking more along the lines of the 391's, since the caps are inter-changeable.... hypers would be handy sometimes!!

Now, I've heard the 391's and I do like the sound, but would like some more ideas/options..

price range is max 600 for PAIR.

Currently running Nak 300's > DA-P1 (no pre yet... working on that as well!)  Naks are Ok, just would like something more defined sounding all around.. no boomy low end (yes, I know a nice pre would help here..).

Not a fan of the Oktava's.. I've heard a few recs with them, wasn't all that impressed...
Have heard mixed results on Audio Techica's (40xx series). Never heard of anyone running Sennheisers(I think I just mis-spelled that!hah) like the ME64's, etc..

Ideas???

Need to do something soon here, as QOTSA is coming up 10/09/03!!!
(and I'll be borrowing a V3 to run as well!)

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2003, 07:38:38 PM »
I'm sure someone who owns them will chime in, but have you considered the ADK A-51TLs?
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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2003, 07:39:52 PM »
no, havent heard those mics yet, anyone got a nice clip???
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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2003, 07:48:41 PM »
someone on the oade board is trying to unload a pair of MBHO's for $600, can't beat that.  The ADK TL's are another excellent option in that price range.
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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2003, 09:03:28 PM »
id go ADK's...multiple mic patterns, plus theyre 650 NEW for a matched pair......VERY hard to beat..... 8) ;)
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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2003, 09:06:06 PM »
i use the audio technica 4051a's which are SD condensors, you can find a pair on ebay for around 700 i would think, interchangable caps(card, hyper, and omni), i have had good results with these since turning in the c1000's, cant go wrong with audio technica, quality mics and solid, i have some particle, KW on the etree archive for download ifyou wanted to get a song or two, .02

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2003, 09:07:45 PM »
id go ADK's...multiple mic patterns, plus theyre 650 NEW for a matched pair......VERY hard to beat..... 8) ;)

for TLs?  you mean I can be as cool as Jason B and Mike for that cheap?  Sign me up!
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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2003, 09:14:16 PM »
id go ADK's...multiple mic patterns, plus theyre 650 NEW for a matched pair......VERY hard to beat..... 8) ;)

for TLs?  you mean I can be as cool as Jason B and Mike for that cheap?  Sign me up!

EXACTLY whta im saying........ 8) :o
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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2003, 09:21:09 PM »
or what about some 460's and then you could always upgrade em with the jim williams mod down the road ;)
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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2003, 02:29:00 AM »
or what about some 460's and then you could always upgrade em with the jim williams mod down the road ;)

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2003, 02:33:44 AM »
Can someone point me in the right direction on where to get some info on the adk?
460's would rock, but need to find em for cheep!!

thanks for all the useful info guys!
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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2003, 02:52:24 AM »
Can someone point me in the right direction on where to get some info on the adk?
460's would rock, but need to find em for cheep!!

thanks for all the useful info guys!
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i pheel ya, i own 480's..........and THEY rawk........if ya wanna save some loot and get MULTIPLE patternz, go ADK, i ya want a SOLID-ASS mic(ive owned for yearz, and NOT rippin on ADK), go AKG if ya wanna save $$$$$ and still go SD, ya WONT be dissapointed....(391's, unless yer talkin 480's).....if not, GO ADK 51 TL's.....im sure they wont dissapoint..they have a "phuller" pheel, IMHO, these are the best dealz out, straight up...... 8) ;D...moke, jason b....?????????? ::) ;)

IVE EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT BYING THESE.....sorry bout caps, but, if you want to tape ALOT of live showz, these are it..indoorz, or outdoorz, these have the right pattern........;-);-)

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2003, 09:17:41 AM »
Can someone point me in the right direction on where to get some info on the adk?
460's would rock, but need to find em for cheep!!

thanks for all the useful info guys!
-JIm
I think I know someone that could possibly have a pair, I bought my 391s from him awhile back and he sells tons of mics.  I asked about the 460s before I got my 480s and he had a pair back then, if you want me to inquire about them for you let me know be glad to help out ;D
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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2003, 09:56:22 AM »
I'll throw another vote in for ADK TL's , they sound great (i have never actuly used them , but heard alot of great tapes) multi-patterns, LDs and quite cheap.

I hear the best prices are at Sonic Sense, here is a link http://www.sonicsense.com/adka51tl.htm
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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2003, 10:26:42 AM »
forget about the TL....get this one
http://www.adkmic.com/ModS_Vienna.html
looks like j.p did one hell of a job!!!!

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2003, 10:30:41 AM »
Can someone point me in the right direction on where to get some info on the adk?
460's would rock, but need to find em for cheep!!

thanks for all the useful info guys!
-JIm
I think I know someone that could possibly have a pair, I bought my 391s from him awhile back and he sells tons of mics.  I asked about the 460s before I got my 480s and he had a pair back then, if you want me to inquire about them for you let me know be glad to help out ;D

definetly!!! if you could find out that'd kick some arse!

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2003, 11:05:23 AM »
forget about the TL....get this one
http://www.adkmic.com/ModS_Vienna.html
looks like j.p did one hell of a job!!!!

why would you choose the VE over the TL's? It does have a little heavier pad (-18db vs -10db) and "All NEW Upgraded Capsule and All NEW Upgraded Electronics" but those are upgraded from a lower grade mic. IMO it totaly bows to the awsome power of 4 polar patterns and matched pairs  ;D
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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2003, 11:51:34 AM »
hey now..the vienna is a new mic.it's CLASS A!new capsule based on the akg c12.now jp has been modding neumann and akg's for years,so yes i do trust his work.
the hamburg mic will be a multi pattern mic by j.p .

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2003, 11:59:21 AM »
You may also want to check out the Microtech Gefell M300 microphones.  You can often find used pairs for $600.  Fixed cardioid caps, but you can't beat them for the price.
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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2003, 12:22:06 PM »
I'm not sure what shipping/custom charges are but you can get 480 bodies for 398.68 USD each at http://www.musicians-gear.com/

& the caps for 150 to 180 each.
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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2003, 12:30:04 PM »
You may also want to check out the Microtech Gefell M300 microphones.  You can often find used pairs for $600.  Fixed cardioid caps, but you can't beat them for the price.

Those are tempting should I ever get into local paid recording gigs... as are the TLs...

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2003, 05:25:14 PM »
anders,
I see ... i was mistaken, i assumed (never a good thing) that since these where a mod of the A-51 S's (part of the "studio series") a improvement would bring them up the the level of say the TL's (part of the "audiophile" series).

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2003, 06:08:46 PM »
hey now..the vienna is a new mic.it's CLASS A!new capsule based on the akg c12.now jp has been modding neumann and akg's for years,so yes i do trust his work.
the hamburg mic will be a multi pattern mic by j.p .

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2003, 06:15:51 PM »
anders,
I see ... i was mistaken, i assumed (never a good thing) that since these where a mod of the A-51 S's (part of the "studio series") a improvement would bring them up the the level of say the TL's (part of the "audiophile" series).

Go team ADK ;)


no prob bro.
the intoduction of vienna is a sign from adk,that they are getting away from the "off-the-shelf-chinese-mic-assembly product"
the quality of the vienna should be better than the tl.

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2003, 12:34:43 PM »
Hey there gang;

the vienna, right... well, where do I start!
The A51s was cool but I know it could be better. So I improved sensitivity, which improved the S/N ratio. I specified a brass edge-connected capsule (Austrian style; hence "Vienna") and improved the signal path. Higher sensitivity means lower headroom... so the pad went from 10 to 18 dBs.
The Hamburg... Basically the same mod but a 1" center electrode capsule (german style; hence "Hamburg") and a different internal EQ.
They compliment each other very well. Basically "Vienna" is bright , "Hamburg" is darker but has a more upfront midrange.
they're very quiet for acoustic sources (pad off) and can also take high SPLs (pad in) for amps & drums.
They're both transformer balanced.

The TL series have TransformerLess outputs (TL, get it?) and no "built in" EQ. Very different capsule, edge connected.

There will be revisions of the Vienna and Hamburg and LOTS more EXCITING stuff coming out next year. But we'l make the V and H as good as we possibly can. Next revision will be sometime next year; definitely components. Will there be an audible difference... I doubt it.

Next mic to receive my mod is the A51ST, and If we get enough requests, I'll change the fig-8 to super-cardioid. I think it will make the ST a lot more versatile. Maybe we'll have an ST"s" and an ST"h".

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2003, 12:39:11 PM »
Right, to answer the question... I prefer Xfo balanced mics, so I'll grab the V or/and H before the TLs for most studio apps... I don't think one is necessarily better than the other... they're different for sure. I always find "typical" LD condensers too bright, when you hear the V and H you'll know what I'm talking about: they're very smooth on top. But the V is CERTAINLY NOT DULL!

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2003, 12:47:48 PM »
Crap, where did my last post go???

Anyway, meant to say, the H is cardoid only, but the V and H will probably be offered in a Omni/Cardioid switchable version sometime.

Right now, the only Xfo bal multipattern ADK mic is the ST.

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2003, 12:54:29 PM »
Hmmm, depends what you're looking for... I fyou're on a tight budget, I find the Oktava MK012 very very handy for that type of stuff: the cardioid cap is very wide and natural, and after a good mod, they're clean and have great top and bottom. A bit more "plastic" then my old 70's AKG 451s and Neumannn 84 but very cool, and very quiet. A pair w/omni caps are way cool for live recording if the acoustics are favourable.
Now, any LD mic using the capsule that we use in the TL series will have a rich high-mids and top end response: perfect for distance mic'ing; The TLs also have a rich bottom and it can be a bit much in the prox. zone, and of course it will pick up LF modes easily... But the TLs don't have the "attitude" of the V and H. Different mics for different apps...

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2003, 12:56:21 PM »
<<Crap, where did my last post go???>>
<back to page two...... >

Nope, there was another one! About the pattern thing, so hopefully that's been clarified now.

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2003, 12:59:42 PM »
hi jp
i love mics with personality,i will definetaly check out the vienna and hamburg.

could you tell us about the SD mics you guys are planning to release?

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2003, 02:31:59 PM »
Err... no ;O)

Seriously, there's a lot to talk about here... let's just say that I'm very disappointed in chinese SD capsules and I don't see much point in tweaking the head amp. I have a proto SC here that I modified with a "Vienna" type head amp but with TL output and again, the capsule is the problem.
I don't know what's going to happen with the ADK SD mics right now... There will be a much better SD mic coming up that will be part of a "Premium" line in a couple of years... but until then it's hard to say what we're going to do. Larry is disappointed too: We have the Vienna and Hamburg, amazing value, and then the SC in the same line... doesn't make sense. If we can manage to have a proper SD capsule made, then all will be well. But that higher-grade SD mic, now THAT's going to be nice... but then the "Premium" LD mic will be REALLY nice! Can't say too much about it!
But basically I'll get to do what I want as far as circuit, layout, specs, components choice etc. goes! Maybe, maybe, US made in part or whole, it's still in the air.
Don't expect a 250$ street price tag though!

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2003, 02:36:04 PM »
RE: my previous post, I meant the ST is the only FET multipattern mic in the ADK line: the A51TT, CE and A48 are multi-pattern Xfo bal, but tube based of course.

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2003, 02:37:49 PM »
Damn it, I meant the ST is the only TRANSFORMER BALANCED, FET multipattern mic...etc.

I'm going to bed now!

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2003, 03:51:40 AM »
The problem is not the elctronics, I have a gazillion ideas. I WANT a SD SYSTEM like the old AKG CMS. the problem is always the capsules. When we've sorted out SD capsule production (and any "manufacturer" building in China should do the same IMHO) then we'll be able to fool around a bit... Longnecks for sure if I have my ways, active cables, I dunno... I mean, folks looking for really great SD systems will go with Schoeps. The ADK SD will have tone/personnality more than transparency/neutrality so while it would be cool to use a Longneck I don't know if many people would buy/need an active cable... it would be expensive, the head amp would have to be more expensive, the capsules too (ideally, built in Z converter)... But I would want stuff like a selection of patterns like 9 models from omni to fig-8, Jecklin Discs that doesn't cost so much that you end up making your own, I'd like switches for HPF AND LPF, switchable integral pad...

But first, we need a decent capsule!!!!!

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2003, 03:53:08 AM »
Oh yeah, nice technique there...
What do you think of the ADK foam pop filters???

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2003, 08:00:51 AM »
have you guys considered mbho as capsule provider?

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2003, 08:54:22 AM »
Can't tell...
But I can give you an exampleof the many problems ancountered with SD mics: would you consider buying an ADK SD mic if it was priced at over 500? When you can buy a pair MK012, a used 184, a refurbished 451, a Josephson series 4 etc for the same amount? If it was GREAT you probably would. But we MUST make the mic affordable or it won't sell. Selling ie. 5 units a month is unfortunately not acceptable, or the profit margin would have to be huge to make up for the low sales figure. Know what I mean? Like, Soundelux mics are more expensive than many brands, but they're beautiful and you know you have a quality piece of kit when you hold one.
So they're better; they cost more to manufacture; so they sell less than, say, MXL (I'm just comparing sales figures here, nothing more) mics; not only do Soundelux have to pay more $$$ to put a similar product on the market, but they have to make more profit on each sale to stay in business. I know it sucks, but that's how it is. Take those THE mics, they're great but not exactly selling like hot cakes.
Believe me, it's not easy coming up with a product that "puhses all the right buttons"!!!

Of course we've considered and are still considering other sources for capsules, amongst other things, but these days profit margins are paper-thin; ans since we're very reluctant to sell crap... we need to find an affordable small capsule. If other brands are OK with the curent SD capsule production from Chian, fine, but after the V and H it's hard for ADK to sell a product that's obviously so inferior. And sure, most chinese SD mics are fine for drums etc... But when I compare and find that my 30 year old mics are ie. 6 dBs quieter and sound MUCH better, I'm not too happy!

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2003, 11:05:47 AM »
Greetings from ADK!

Just a quick note of clarification about "Studio Series" and
"Audiophile Series" - the new JP Mod Vienna Edition and
soon to be released Hamburg Edition, based on Specs only,
deserve to be in the Audiophile Series.  JP Mod S and ST will
be the Top of the Line for the Studio Series.  And trust me:
we'll try to get JP going through ALL our line-card over the
next few years!  It took almost a year to get the "S" done!!

By keeping the Model S (V Ed and H Ed) in the Studio Series,
it means that the price is so incredible that lots of end-users
will have access.  We want to democratize good audio tools!

So hang in there.  ADK still may be the best kept secret
in the Pro Audio Universe, but I think both the "TL" and "S"
Vienna/Hamburg are examples of why that is changing!

But then, what do I know? I'm just a musician living in the woods  
who likes to play and record music (ok - and one who has been
collecting Acoustic Guitars and Vintage Tube mics for 32 years).

Cheers !

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2003, 11:36:46 AM »
Greetings from ADK!

Just a quick note of clarification about "Studio Series" and
"Audiophile Series" - the new JP Mod Vienna Edition and
soon to be released Hamburg Edition, based on Specs only,
deserve to be in the Audiophile Series.  JP Mod S and ST will
be the Top of the Line for the Studio Series.  And trust me:
we'll try to get JP going through ALL our line-card over the
next few years!  It took almost a year to get the "S" done!!

By keeping the Model S (V Ed and H Ed) in the Studio Series,
it means that the price is so incredible that lots of end-users
will have access.  We want to democratize good audio tools!

So hang in there.  ADK still may be the best kept secret
in the Pro Audio Universe, but I think both the "TL" and "S"
Vienna/Hamburg are examples of why that is changing!

But then, what do I know? I'm just a musician living in the woods  
who likes to play and record music (ok - and one who has been
collecting Acoustic Guitars and Vintage Tube mics for 32 years).

Cheers !

Larry J. Villella, Co-Founder ADK

"First in Affordable Retro-Sonics"


Larry--

Trey Woodruff here. We spoke in detail eariler in the year about a microphone you guys were releasing that would be very similar in sound to the neumann km254, has that been released? I anxiously await.


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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2003, 11:44:59 AM »
Welcome to the board Larry..!

Glad to see I apparently bought an "inferior mic"   :clapping::banging head: :clapping:   ;)  Atleast I got a good deal on them at Sonic Sense ;D

Heh..  with that said though, I've still be really really really pleased with my results using the ADK SC-T's.  So I guess that's what counts...  

Once these get "verified" feel free to pull them down and let me know whatcha think too!

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2003, 11:49:55 AM »
Larry, welcome aboard.  It means a lot to us to get response directly from manufacturers and the industry.  Thanks to you and JP for the information and technical advice.  It carries a lot of weight and will go a long way.  I look forward to trying out your new product.

any chance of you posting some photos of your mics.  If you don't reveal the location of your cabin, your collection's safe 8)

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2003, 12:47:02 PM »
Larry, welcome aboard.  It means a lot to us to get response directly from manufacturers and the industry.  Thanks to you and JP for the information and technical advice.  It carries a lot of weight and will go a long way.  I look forward to trying out your new product.

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2003, 01:03:26 PM »
<Glad to see I apparently bought an "inferior mic"  Atleast I got a good deal on them at Sonic Sense>

Dude, don't get me wrong, I KNOW that the SC sells for... and it's STILL great value; it's just that to me, to get the thumbs up, a mic has to be on a par with my other mics, or even better. I also have access to some Neumann and AKG classics, so once in a while I do a small shootout to keep things in perspective. That's where the V and H really stand out and the SC... well... doesn't quite cut it, but then I'm comparing with my 1973 KM84 and rebuilt 1973 C451 and Altec 201B...

To be honest (Larry's gonna fly overseas to kick my butt but here it goes) I think the Oktava MK012 is the best budget SD mic right now. I use my pair all the time. As much as my pair of vintage Altecs!

I prefer a refurbished C451 though; KM84 is my fav for most SD apps, but it's not really a budget mic is it?

So trust me, when ADK launches a truly cool SD mic, it will be TRULY VERY VERY cool.

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2003, 01:26:15 PM »
jp
much respect for being honest.that is class!

regarding the 451's..have you come across staynes "forthyfifty" tube retrofit for these mics?

regarding t.h.e mics....these are probably the best money to performance ratio mics out there.shall i say " musically accurate" mics...im gonna buy a pair of those soon.definately complements the gefell sm2000 series.


than again  i am a idiot! ;D

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2003, 02:10:51 PM »
Hey anders,
No, I don't know the Staynes retrofit.
I actually just rebuilt my Altec 201 pair from something like 78 and they're still matched within 1 dB! They sound the same, noise floor is the same. I mention those because they're rebadged AKG C451s.
Happy hunt, vintage mic lovers... those are RARE!!! They use CK1 or CK2 caps, I have the CK1 model, Mylar diaph. (my AKG 451 has an old
metal diaph.) and it's a terrific mic for... anything, really!

Next year I'll buy one or two mics from a guy in germany (who's name I can't remember ight now) who rebuilds Gefell mics. I'm after old shit, I know, how sad... Anyway, I'll post the name of the guy and his website address soon. Really good rebuilds.

Let us know how the THE pair fares against the competition!

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2003, 03:10:36 PM »
Dude, don't get me wrong, I KNOW that the SC sells for... and it's STILL great value; it's just that to me, to get the thumbs up, a mic has to be on a par with my other mics, or even better.

Was just busting your balls JP.. That's all sacasm oozing through my post (albeit hard to "see" in text)....

I've been really happy with them and that's what counts.  My ears are pleased ;D  

I'm far from "audiophile" and don't plan on being "there" until I graduate and get that high paying cushy tech job of my dreams.. then I'll get something fancy..  

But for the time being they're fantastic and I wanted to get away from being yet another guy with C1000's or another guy with MC012's...

Just my  :twocents:, didn't mean no harm..

Oh and Larry does rock.. I had some questions and he personally e-mailed me more then a few times to set me straight, super nice guys!!!

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2003, 03:52:26 PM »
jp
would love some vinatgae mics for the "vocal booth"..but only after modified by stephen paul.


now if only i had the money.....:)

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2003, 04:54:06 PM »
If you're gonna have the capsule rebuilt, don't buy a vintage mic!
Buy a chinese equivalent and Stephen will do all that's needed.

No point in spending ie. 5K for a fancy vintage mic body, since the guts will be replaced...

Of course, you can replace a few components yourself and drop a BLUE or Neumann capsule in any decent chinese mic and have a great mic without spending a fortune.

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2003, 04:55:24 PM »
Hey, what's a Ticket? I have 5 Tickets...???

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« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2003, 04:56:55 PM »
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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2003, 06:14:19 PM »
jp
i was thinking of cleaning capsule,change transformers,components and have a nice set cables for wiring(i think they offer silver)..and power supply maybe from scott hamptone ..still that would also cost!



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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #51 on: September 25, 2003, 08:54:31 AM »
Ok then! Tickets are cool.

Anders, yes, it will cost you, but still less than 20K for a 250, 12K for a C12 or chatever the rate is today for a 47.

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #52 on: September 25, 2003, 10:06:27 AM »
well...at least you get what you pay for. ;D

great you mentioned the 47..neumann are releasing a modernage version of it....

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2003, 11:39:27 AM »
Yeah, sure... like the 147 a few years back...
Only a handful of people can make a U47, and I don't think the good folks at Neumann are amongst them. It's not that they COULD NOT do it, but they CAN'T make U47s again because, well, they're not a "boutique" mic company. A U47 clone is too expensive to re-make. A true U47 needs a VF14 and there's no equivalent right now. So you'd need to have the VF14 cloned... the transformer, no biggie; the capsule, Neumann have that covered! But the tube, no.
If they release it as a "U47-inspired" mic, fine, but then isn't it what the 147 is already???

Take a look at the neumann pinboard archives... even the good folks at Neumann agree. Just like AKG cannot possibly make a true C12 clone... there won't be no U47 clone from Neumann.

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #54 on: September 25, 2003, 12:21:59 PM »
yep.they can't make a clone.that's why they'll make a modern age version of it with different gut.

the m147 is cardiod only..not sure it was inspired by u47.
also it has the same solid state output topology as tlm170.

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #55 on: September 26, 2003, 05:24:13 PM »
I know... I know...

Have you played with the E47???

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #56 on: September 26, 2003, 07:48:17 PM »
haven't tried it or any other soundelux models.not easy to get a demo model to work it.

and they cost too.kind of like the new telefunken products.

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #57 on: September 27, 2003, 03:35:05 AM »
No, the new Teles are OUTRAGEOUSLY priced. Ridiculous. Investment-grade products! Soundelux is actually a pretty good value. I remember the U195 used to sell for as low as 750 when it came out a few years back... and I didn't buy one! A bit bright, but easily fixed I'm sure...

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« Reply #58 on: September 27, 2003, 01:17:02 PM »
any thoughts on the iFet7?

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« Reply #59 on: September 27, 2003, 06:06:11 PM »
I think I wouldn't mind one for Xmas ... ;O)
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« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2003, 04:25:30 AM »
Wow, forgot about that gent in germany...
www.drefahlaudio.com
He knows all there is to know about Gefells it seems, really cool. Just got an mv692/m94 from him. Recommended.

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