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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 2)
« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2010, 02:02:08 PM »
This doesn't directly answer your question, but the sound quality of the LS-10 internals is terrible, at least when recording music. The M10 sounds great.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 2)
« Reply #46 on: January 12, 2010, 02:17:02 PM »
Anyone in Europe know the Sony model number of the 220/240V AC adapter with a Germany type AC plug? Maybe it can be ordered as a spare part unless the cost is prohibitively high.

Yes, it is AC-ES3010K2, and now I see it actually does 100-240V.

Edited to add: I just googled the model number because I was curious what Sony charges for these things, and it seems there are various nationality versions of it, with different plugs, but all of them having the same model number. Sony logistics must be fun.  ::)
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 2)
« Reply #47 on: January 12, 2010, 04:08:23 PM »
While my personal favorite field recording configuration remains using the 09HR+external pre for widest bandwidth and 88.2K sampling ability, the M10+DSM mic combination shown below is a close second.  But also feel I’d choose the M10+DSM mic configuration as my first choice for all 24bit/44.1K-96K recording projects.

what is the benefit of 88.2K over 96K.  Easier / more accurate downsampling ?
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 2)
« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2010, 07:21:40 PM »
Thanks for everyone's input on the stereo separation questions. I went ahead and ordered an M10 through B&H last night. Looking forward to it!

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 2)
« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2010, 10:03:51 AM »
I bought one from the seller cr2424 and had it shipped to the UK- reasonable postage, took about 2 weeks

They're getting a bit cheaper in Europe now, pinknoise have them for £269 http://www.pinknoise-systems.co.uk/sony-pcm-m10-p-483.html

Very pleased with mine- got a couple of Countryman B3s on the way too



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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 2)
« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2010, 05:30:05 PM »
I believe I've discovered an advantage of the M10 over the R-09HR that I haven't seen mentioned before. When I change the recording level on my HR during a performance it leaves tiny gaps in the wave file that make the unedited file sound awful, although often you can edit out the gaps and can't hear the difference. This does not happen with the M10 and (surprisingly), the old R-09.

I know we don't want to change levels during a performance, but occasionally it may be necessary.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 2)
« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2010, 12:49:01 AM »
the r-09 created pops during the recoring if levels were changed. its even stated in the manual.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 2)
« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2010, 01:38:58 AM »
I believe I've discovered an advantage of the M10 over the R-09HR that I haven't seen mentioned before. When I change the recording level on my HR during a performance it leaves tiny gaps in the wave file that make the unedited file sound awful, although often you can edit out the gaps and can't hear the difference. This does not happen with the M10 and (surprisingly), the old R-09.

I know we don't want to change levels during a performance, but occasionally it may be necessary.

Very good catch. That is a significant difference between the two units. I definitely have to give the M10 the edge over the R-09HR in that case. Whereas there are workarounds for most of the differences between the two units, you can't work around that one.

Thanks for pointing that out.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 2)
« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2010, 03:42:37 AM »
the r-09 created pops during the recoring if levels were changed. its even stated in the manual.

I see now that you're correct, but it seems to be much more audible in my HR. I never noticed it using the R-09, but noticed it the first time I recorded with the HR. The M10 doesn't seem to do it and my MZ-RH1 never seemed to.

I've don't have the time to study the manuals to all my equipment. I just skim them & study the parts where I have questions. I learn most of what I need to know reading posts here and make much better recordings than I would if I relied on the manuals alone and hadn't discovered this site.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 2)
« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2010, 09:11:08 AM »
Interesting info fmaderjr ! If the RH9 does have little breaks in the wav when adjusting the volume when recording, that's a deal breaker in itself... I'm loving my M10 I've already recorded a few shows with the internal mics and they sound just as good, if not better than shows recorded with my core sound cards. (I'm waiting on some CA14s and a ugly) Thanks for the info!

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 2)
« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2010, 09:24:26 AM »
the r-09 created pops during the recoring if levels were changed. its even stated in the manual.

I wasn't aware of this. Is it even noticable though when recording a loud source?
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 2)
« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2010, 12:09:11 PM »
It should be noticeable recording any source since there are tiny gaps in the wave form.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 2)
« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2010, 01:22:51 PM »
How hot of a signal can the M10 take without distorting?

I've been waiting for a small recorder able to handle a +25DbFS signal like the 722, and other pro level devices, can.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 2)
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2010, 03:20:48 PM »
M10 has overload resistant MIC input ability to +2 Dbu.
LINE input jack OVERLOAD RESISTANT TO OVER +24Dbu.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 2)
« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2010, 07:54:03 PM »
So the M10 seems very close to the Olympus LS-11. Has anyone made a direct comparison of the two. I would not be surprised if the LS-11 was better at picking small nuances and had a brighter tone, but what for the lows ?

 

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