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u87 v u89
« on: January 10, 2006, 04:16:03 PM »
What's the diff?
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Re: u87 v u89
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2006, 04:36:56 PM »
Quote from: Charlies on January 10, 2006, 04:16:03 PM
What's the diff?

2.

sorry you asked :)

The u87 has 3 directional patterns, the u89 has 5
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Re: u87 v u89
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2006, 04:44:59 PM »
They both suck equally.    :o
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Re: u87 v u89
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2006, 04:50:08 PM »
thats not the only difference. the u87 uses the K67capsule.. The TLM 170, TLM 193 and U 89 all use the same capsule, the K 89.

the U87 is rumoured to be "brighter", supposed to have more detail and was designed to be more up front sounding(in its cardioid setting), where the U89  is almost neutral, very flat...

u87s are a legend in their own right..by the 1970s it was "the" mic for professional studio recording. A lot of people still use it as a go to mic for vocals. Stephen Paul Audio worked out a mod for the u87(focusing on diaphragm switching) that is pretty popular in high end studios. Klaus Heyne also has a mod for it(u87) that focuses more on the electronics of the mic...


I have u87s and like them a lot more than the u89s I had. YMMV :)

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Re: u87 v u89
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2006, 04:53:54 PM »
Just to add to this (on a serious note), the K103 capsule sounds NOTHING like the K87 capsule in any way, shape or form.  Naturally, the K87 and K89 capsules are different as well.  It's personal preference as to which one is better, of course. 

The 89 is thought of as being more "flat" in terms of frequency response than the 87.

There are some minor differences in the electronic circuit as well, and of course the overall size of the 89 is smaller than the 87.

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Re: u87 v u89
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2006, 05:01:18 PM »
Yes, thanks, should've excluded the polar pattern diffs (smart ass jonny :P).  I was thinking that the u87s had a different sound than the 89s.

Are there any phantom-powerable LD neumanns, other than the u87, u89, 170s, 103s and the usm stereo mic? Ts
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Re: u87 v u89
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2006, 05:03:13 PM »
Quote from: Charlies on January 10, 2006, 05:01:18 PM
Yes, thanks, should've excluded the polar pattern diffs.  I was thinking that the u87s had a different sound than the 89s.

Are there any phantom-powerable LD neumanns, other than the u87, u89, 170s, 103s and the usm stereo mic?

tlm193(similar to u89) and tlm127.
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Re: u87 v u89
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2006, 05:04:13 PM »
TLM 127 and TLM 193 also

If you want to really go retro, there's the U47, U47FET and U67, M49, M249, etc.

Lots of stuff out there.  try http://www.neumann.com

EDIT:  sorry, didn't see the phantom power statement

Teddy, great minds think alike eh?
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Re: u87 v u89
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2006, 05:06:49 PM »
Quote from: TNJazz on January 10, 2006, 05:04:13 PM

Teddy, great minds think alike eh?

Were both mic nerds.  ,And look up to Klaus Heyne, and its a German thing I guess..  ;D

Einheit für deutsche Leute! :P
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Re: u87 v u89
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2006, 05:16:14 PM »
Quote from: TNJazz on January 10, 2006, 05:04:13 PM
TLM 127 and TLM 193 also

If you want to really go retro, there's the U47, U47FET and U67, M49, M249, etc.

Lots of stuff out there.  try http://www.neumann.com

EDIT:  sorry, didn't see the phantom power statement

Teddy, great minds think alike eh?

Damn, I was hoping that m49 was phantom...looks pretty nice and there's one on fleabay right now.
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Re: u87 v u89
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2006, 05:18:50 PM »
they can be modded for phantom. Decca did it in the 70s for their recordings(before they changed to m50s, then schoeps)

Teddy

Quote from: Charlies on January 10, 2006, 05:16:14 PM
Quote from: TNJazz on January 10, 2006, 05:04:13 PM
TLM 127 and TLM 193 also

If you want to really go retro, there's the U47, U47FET and U67, M49, M249, etc.

Lots of stuff out there.  try http://www.neumann.com

EDIT:  sorry, didn't see the phantom power statement

Teddy, great minds think alike eh?

Damn, I was hoping that m49 was phantom...looks pretty nice and there's one on fleabay right now.
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Re: u87 v u89
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2006, 05:24:48 PM »
You realize any M49 in reasonably good condition will probably sell for between $6-8K right?

Just wanted to make sure you were aware.

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Re: u87 v u89
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2006, 05:29:02 PM »
What about the M149's?  Has anyone used or heard these puppies? 
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Re: u87 v u89
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2006, 05:29:43 PM »
Quote from: TNJazz on January 10, 2006, 05:24:48 PM
You realize any M49 in reasonably good condition will probably sell for between $6-8K right?

Just wanted to make sure you were aware.

Dirk

Looks about right, given the fact that the fleabay m49 and 249 are in the $5k range and I noticed had been "refurbished" by B.L.U.E. Any thoughts on BLUE?
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Re: u87 v u89
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2006, 05:34:16 PM »
Blue has been doing refurbs on old Neumann and Telefunken gear for quite a while now.  They do a very nice job.  They do NOT however restore it to original factory condition.  They build their own power supplies, and if parts are needed they are made by BLUE, not NOS (new old stock).  So you could buy a BLUE U47, but it might very well have the BLUE "47 clone capsule" rather than the original.  That being said however, their work is considered to be very good overall.  Just not completely faithful to the original.

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