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Pre/AD with 480's vs. cmc6/mk4's
« on: October 16, 2005, 03:14:32 AM »
Looking for some thoughts on what pre/ad to run with the 480's and for the mk4's.  I've been somewhat of a gear slut lately ;D  I've got a w-mod UA-5 and with the 480's, at least to my ears, it's a little too warm sometimes. But damn, I just love the AKG punch!  Also, I'm currently looking to get a V3 (ISO posted in yard sale). Thinking that the 480's would be great with the V3 and hopefully get rid of some of the 'warmness'.  But what about just running the mk4's with the V3?   

Thats why I was thinking maybe get a V3 and do some comparisons with both sets of mics.

After reading so much on Schoeps setups lately, doesnt' seem like just going into a V3 would do it. Seems like you need to invest another grand or so just to get the maximum performance out of these mics. I've listened to many shows on the archive (mk4 >V3) and (480 >v3) and I think I like the 480's more so. The Schoeps seems to lack the bottom-end for me.

Now of course, I don't want to spend anymore money on equipment. So this means selling existing gear to upgrade to something else on the pre/ad side. I'd like to possibly keep the UA-5 because it could come in handy for soundboard/matrix, but then again, who knows ::)

Anyway, thanks for any thoughts!



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Re: Pre/AD with 480's vs. cmc6/mk4's
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2005, 03:37:02 AM »
Sonosax>modSBM, it is what I run with my AKG 480s and it is a good complement IMHO.  The Sax>modSBM as we all know complements the Schoeps CMC6X very well.  I am about to torrent Meltone from Asagiri shortly run onstage 483>Sax>modSBM.  Or you could go the archive link below and grab a few tracks of the Meltone I did a few months back (caution: I ran 481>Sax>modSBM and was pretty far back...maybe not the best representative source to listen to).  The Minime kicks ass with the AKGs and John Crouch was running a V2 in front of a Mme with his CMC5 set up with stunning results. 

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Re: Pre/AD with 480's vs. cmc6/mk4's
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2005, 03:47:22 AM »
really dig the schoeps>sax sound as well, some of the best phish tapes ive ever heard ;D

also dig 480>v3 and 480>m148>v3

480>v2>modsbm1 is decent as well
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Re: Pre/AD with 480's vs. cmc6/mk4's
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2005, 03:57:24 AM »
Listening to this Meltone (never heard of them before) 7/9/05 481>sax/mod-sbm  - I do like this sound.  What would the sax/sbm combo run me?  hmmm... and which mics would I sell to get that?   ::)   ahhh...it never ends. What about a mini-me? doesnt' that give you the ability to do matrix recordings?


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Re: Pre/AD with 480's vs. cmc6/mk4's
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2005, 04:06:10 AM »
My guess is that you will not find a used Sax fast enough to satisfy your jones.  So straight up, those are 1100 new.  Used modSBMs are all over the place...and I think the market rate is $450.

Funny, I just now put the AKGs up for possible sale to satisfy my need for a Schoeps>Nbox set up and I just bot some KM140s and actives.  Fuck, my wife is gonna shit.

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Re: Pre/AD with 480's vs. cmc6/mk4's
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2005, 04:27:19 AM »
My guess is that you will not find a used Sax fast enough to satisfy your jones.  So straight up, those are 1100 new.  Used modSBMs are all over the place...and I think the market rate is $450.

Funny, I just now put the AKGs up for possible sale to satisfy my need for a Schoeps>Nbox set up and I just bot some KM140s and actives.  Fuck, my wife is gonna shit.

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Schoeps MK 4V & MK 41V ->
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Re: Pre/AD with 480's vs. cmc6/mk4's
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2005, 09:47:56 AM »
also dig 480>v3 and 480>m148>v3

FWIW, I put up a comparison recording done at home with the 480's run through these two setups.  Might help you with the decision making.

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Re: Pre/AD with 480's vs. cmc6/mk4's
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2005, 03:25:54 PM »
to compliate it further, do you want to do 24 bit?  sbm-1 are stuck in 16.
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Re: Pre/AD with 480's vs. cmc6/mk4's
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2005, 03:51:14 PM »
Shaggy I don't think the best combo is the 480>MiniMe, it just produces a weird sounding bass response with super bassy bands; that said, for a very representative sound with this combo my recordings of Tortoise from 5-20-04 and 6-13-04 are good examples, and excellent recordings I might add, they are in circulation but let me know if you can't find them (Tortoise does not allow archive)

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Re: Pre/AD with 480's vs. cmc6/mk4's
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2005, 04:26:24 PM »
to compliate it further, do you want to do 24 bit?  sbm-1 are stuck in 16.


I definately want to stay/go with something in the 24-bit realm.

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Re: Pre/AD with 480's vs. cmc6/mk4's
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2005, 01:10:08 AM »
what about a tmod+ ua5? That would be a really cheap way to get something transparent and V3ish.  Then take the money you save and buy either a MP2 or a PSP2 and they you can get the warmth too or a 184!  v2>MME, ain't nothin wrong with that (except ergonomics).  And all of these are 24 bit sollutions.
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Re: Pre/AD with 480's vs. cmc6/mk4's
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2005, 01:18:10 AM »
grider,  my experience with the akg>mme was chucky's needing to borrow my 483s to tape small bands in shitty sounding clubs.  They sounded pretty decent.  Especially the Big Frog at Ruido I torrented a month ago on bt.etree.org.  chucky indicated the sound was for shit and despite that is pretty stunned at what he got with the AKG>mme.  I am sold on the mme these days...after the Coldplay I pulled at Fuji Rock with some MBHO 648a/KA200Ns, probably the best tape I have ever made.....

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Re: Pre/AD with 480's vs. cmc6/mk4's
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2005, 01:29:56 AM »
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I am sold on the mme these days...after the Coldplay I pulled at Fuji Rock with some MBHO 648a/KA200Ns, probably the best tape I have ever made.....
I didn't realize there were so many mme fluffers.  Got to love the calpot scramble. 
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Re: Pre/AD with 480's vs. cmc6/mk4's
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2005, 01:32:23 AM »
what about a tmod+ ua5? That would be a really cheap way to get something transparent and V3ish.  Then take the money you save and buy either a MP2 or a PSP2 and they you can get the warmth too or a 184!  v2>MME, ain't nothin wrong with that (except ergonomics).  And all of these are 24 bit sollutions.

You mean a tmod+ to run with the 480's or the Schoeps?   Why have some other pre-amp in front of the UA-5?  i.e. MP2 or PSP2 ?



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Re: Pre/AD with 480's vs. cmc6/mk4's
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2005, 01:38:43 AM »
you mentioned you wanted something to warm it up.  I like the philosophy transparent most of the time, but in some crappy rooms need the warmth to even out the sound. 
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