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Title: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: cmstewart on August 23, 2018, 06:47:35 AM
So I am trying to get my recent recording on etree to share. It's my first time. I went through all the steps laid out. I created the torrent with maketorrent. (I didn't change anything after that, everything is 100%). I went through the steps on etree to upload the .torrent file and add all the info about it. Everything was "Successful". Then i got on utorrent v2.2.1 and added the torrent, selected the folder... it checked it and now it sits at 100% and says "seeding". The tracker on the torrent is the correct one as well.

I've waited more than an hour now and my torrent page on etree says "Visible | no (dead)". I have tried using another client and that didn't work. I've tried updating the tracker, and that didn't work. I don't know what my problem is. Anyone have any ideas on what i should do?
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: kindms on August 23, 2018, 08:07:30 AM
did it create your page after you submitted ? if so do you have a link to the torrent ?
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Gordon on August 23, 2018, 08:15:00 AM
I just checked and there hasn't been a new torrent since 8/21 (2 days ago).  there are 14 since then that shows no seeders so I'm betting it's a tracker issue.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: vanark on August 23, 2018, 08:27:58 AM
It's not you - it is the site. Just need to wait it out  until they fix it.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: microburst on August 23, 2018, 08:42:37 AM
I tried to upload something yesterday and etree won't recognize my login credentials even though I can use the same credentials to login to db.etree.org just fine.  I noticed no uploads for a day or so and figured they were having problems beyond the intermittent extended downtimes of the past few months.  I sent them an email and as expected no reply.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: cmstewart on August 23, 2018, 02:04:14 PM
In my effort to test out things (and resolve the problem) I decided to log out and log back into etree..... and I CANNOT LOG IN now. Nothing works. My username/password are failing, and the "forgot password" link says my email address is invalid. I emailed them last night about it but nothing has happened. No response. I think I'm just giving for now.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: vanark on August 23, 2018, 02:45:23 PM


It's not you - it is the site. Just need to wait it out  until they fix it.

Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on August 23, 2018, 11:57:57 PM
Even when it's working it has recently taken a long time (sometimes hours) for my uploads to show up. I've found that I can (sometimes) speed up that process by right clicking my torrent and choose Update Trackers (I'm using rtorrent. I suspect utorrent has the same option).
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: jcable77 on August 24, 2018, 12:24:30 AM
Just wait it out Im thinking. Like Vanark said its not you, its them. Ive been seeding a torrent since tuesday and I know everythings good on my end yet its only there if i search under “torrents with no seeders”. Theres a bunch of new ones up there im guessing waiting on the same issue to be resolved.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: cmstewart on August 24, 2018, 01:59:07 AM
Just wait it out Im thinking. Like Vanark said its not you, its them. Ive been seeding a torrent since tuesday and I know everythings good on my end yet its only there if i search under “torrents with no seeders”. Theres a bunch of new ones up there im guessing waiting on the same issue to be resolved.

Well I don't know if I should share this or not... but before I started this thread I emailed them at server@etree.org (some other addresses of theirs failed, so I didn't even know if that would work). I expressed that I couldn't even login, and my email address was coming back "invalid" and that I was afraid I wasn't gonna be able to finish what I started with my first torrent upload. I felt totally confused.

This evening they responded basically telling me to f-off. They said it was all my fault because (I have no idea how this is possible, but I registered over a year ago so idk) there was no valid email address added to the account I used. And also, that I had 3 accounts under different names (I'll explain that in a minute) and then they implied I wasn't even real and had no business being on their site. Thanks etree for happily welcoming this hard ass working newcomer to the team.

In the process of trying to log back in, I created a new account to see if my email that I thought I had associate with my main username would take - or if it would come back as "this email address is already associated with another account". So that's why I had more than one, just trying to experiment to find out what the problem/solution could be. But their condescending response and rude accusations have made me feel pretty lousy about even trying to use the site. I'm new, but I'm pretty damn amazing at what I do. However it's their site so they can do whatever they want. I don't really care anymore.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: mgoldey on August 24, 2018, 06:37:39 AM
Folks:

It is not possible to log in to bt.etree at the moment.  The reason is that, a few weeks ago, someone claimed to have hacked into the etree.org sites.  After investigating, we decided to change the encryption on the logins and to tighten up the code protecting the database.  Bt.etree hasn't implemented the new system yet.  Until they do, all logins will fail.  (Logging in to db.etree works fine.)

If you've noticed that no one responds to e-mails to server@etree, that's b/c the guys who maintain bt.etree basically don't.

As for Mr. Stewart's rant, that's another story. 

Last night, he e-mailed the db.etree admin address with this: 

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"HELP!!! LOGIN FAILED!!!!!!" 

Please help!!! I cannot log in!!! I have been logged on etree forever but now, not only does it not receive my password/username but when I go to "forgot password" it says my email address DOES NOT EXIST!! Please help, urgent!!!

I do have godlike powers, but if you don't tell me your username I don't know who you are.  It also helps to identify the website you're talking about.  Anyway, db.etree provides actual support, so I went into the database and looked up every account with his e-mail address associated with it.  And then I wrote back: 

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Colby:

There are at least three accounts with your e-mail address at db.etree:  nitro22888, supercurio and cmstewart.

When you signed up, you didn't put in a valid e-mail address even once.  So, db.etree.org does not have your e-mail address.

Are any of those accounts real?  Which one are you trying to log into.  Can we get rid of the one you created yesterday?

This was his response:

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I have had the same account on db.etree for over a year, and access it daily. When your site said "login failed" about 700 times I "wondered" if I accidentally used a different name without realizing it and tried EVERYTHING I could think of. Are they real????? Wtf are you trying to accuse me of. I'm posting this email thread on the taperssection tonight so go ahead and accuse me of scamming you or something. I have always had Nitro22888 as my username. And to my knowledge by.etree never asked me for an email address except on the "forgot password" page. So you tell me what to do, and I'll do it. You FAQ and wiki pages are all down, so when there's any problem there's zero support, especially for relatively new members like myself. I'm only to share music, and that is all. Do what you want though.

I'm not going to explain everything that's wrong with that. 

I will remind everyone that etree.org is run by volunteers; that db.etree and bt.etree are run by different people; that the "Server Team" is basically AWOL which is why bt.etree hasn't changed in 15 years and why no one has fixed the login system over there for several days; and that, if you ask for help, please ask in an intelligent way.

Happy taping.

--mhg
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: todd e on August 24, 2018, 09:37:22 AM
"and that, if you ask for help, please ask in an intelligent way. "

^^

after all the 'mods' are volunteers who generally have agreed to position themselves in a way to help other users
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: twatts (pants are so over-rated...) on August 24, 2018, 11:17:39 AM
One of the ongoing issues with ETREE in general is that the people that started the sites have grown up, had kids, found real jobs, and gotten a life beyond taping/trading/going to shows...

Years ago (over 10 now???), BT.ETREE tried an update and the fans (myself included) didn't particularly like it.  Some were vocal and the guys that ran the site basically said Eff This and left.  They've left it on auto-pilot since then and only occasionally (twice a year???) look at it to make sure its still running somewhat adequately...  If you need something there, the best bet is to contact Goldey and let him deal with it.  He will fix it.

DB.ETREE is still run by Tom Anderson.  He is more receptive and does check on DB quite often (as compated to the BT guys).  Contact with him is easy and quick.

But to echo the previous posts, ETREE is run by volunteers.

Terry
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: heathen on August 24, 2018, 11:19:14 AM
Has there ever been talk of anyone taking over the reins of BT?
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: twatts (pants are so over-rated...) on August 24, 2018, 11:21:33 AM
Has there ever been talk of anyone taking over the reins of BT?

Congrats on your new position as Head Hondcho at BT.ETREE.  Thanks for volunteering!

Let us know how it all goes...   :laugh:

Terry
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: heathen on August 24, 2018, 11:34:17 AM
Has there ever been talk of anyone taking over the reins of BT?

Congrats on your new position as Head Hondcho at BT.ETREE.  Thanks for volunteering!

Let us know how it all goes...   :laugh:

Terry

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Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: mgoldey on August 24, 2018, 11:40:15 AM
Has there ever been talk of anyone taking over the reins of BT?

Attempts to create change at bt.etree usually result in the "Server Team" digging their heads out of their loins for a little while, making ridiculous accusations and destroying whatever change was made, and maybe deleting db.etree's DNS entry or e-mail services or some other petty act of vandalism before sinking back into cyberspace until the entire etree.org domain registration expires or something else demands their attention. 

Trey, who does maintain bt.etree and who has the necessary information to restore the login, is evidently busy somewhere with something.  A real job, like Terry said.  The login will get fixed.  Just don't ask me when.  Bottom line is that security updates cannot wait, particularly when someone reaches out and shows you that there's a problem. 

Maybe this is a good time to explore the back catalog of 25,000 old torrents that claim to have a seeder but really don't?   Oh, wait, that's one of the underlying problems, isn't it?  Never mind.

Title: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: vanark on August 24, 2018, 12:58:38 PM
I heard from Trey. Trey is aware of the issue and will get things straightened out as soon as possible. Real life is currently preventing a more timely response, which is understandable.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: capnhook on August 24, 2018, 04:54:43 PM
I heard from Trey. Trey is aware of the issue and will get things straightened out as soon as possible. Real life is currently preventing a more timely response, which is understandable.

Great news Rory.   :coolguy:

I've been peeping at the RIP thread here, hoping not to see any bad news about bt.etree..
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: cmstewart on August 24, 2018, 07:34:30 PM
Forgive me for not knowing a thing about anything in this world. I am new and ignorant. Hence why I keep asking for help.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: vanark on August 24, 2018, 08:04:04 PM
Forgive me for not knowing a thing about anything in this world. I am new and ignorant. Hence why I keep asking for help.

Take a deep breath.

I don't think the etree support told you to f-off and nobody said you were ignorant. It seems to me you overreacted to them asking if the accounts were real. Legit question - why would someone need more than one? (other than the new one you created since you couldn't log in - I know others have done the same thing this week.) I don't think he meant you weren't a real person.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: stober on August 24, 2018, 08:06:21 PM
Wondered what was up. I uploaded a couple shows earlier and noticed they haven’t appeared yet. Then I noticed noting has been added since 8/22 so I figured it was a server problem on their end.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: cmstewart on August 24, 2018, 09:10:19 PM
Forgive me for not knowing a thing about anything in this world. I am new and ignorant. Hence why I keep asking for help.

Take a deep breath.

I don't think the etree support told you to f-off and nobody said you were ignorant. It seems to me you overreacted to them asking if the accounts were real. Legit question - why would someone need more than one? (other than the new one you created since you couldn't log in - I know others have done the same thing this week.) I don't think he meant you weren't a real person.

I said ignorant. The overreaction is true too. Maybe it was totally wrong but to me the response didn't make sense. I don't know how the email address I sent them could come up as invalid. I was emailing them with it. If it happened that my accounts were linked to a different invalid email, how did they know what usernames were mine. I didn't get that. I expected if I made a mistake, they would want to help me correct it. Or if there was a mistake on their end they would let me know it's being worked on. But the question of whether "my account was even real" did make me wonder how they would arrive at that question, and ask it to me that way. They were my only source of help to get back into my account. And the accusation felt pretty hopeless. Anyway, I really don't know anything and wish I could forget t all.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: twatts (pants are so over-rated...) on August 24, 2018, 10:30:46 PM
MGoldey isn't going to win any awards for pretty language any time soon.  You aren't the first around here to find his style "abrasive"...

But he does a lot to manage ETREE and is a huge part of the community, even if we don't actually ever see him.

Don't take it personally and just laugh it off as stupid internet miscommunications...

Terry
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: stober on August 28, 2018, 09:49:41 AM
I think this is the longest it’s ever been down. A week ago today!
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: georgeh on September 05, 2018, 11:46:15 AM
...just got linked to this thread, still down.
I travel a lot for work and just try to upload when home, trying to up some summer shows. They can wait.
Odd, I couldn't find this thread on bt forum, except some comments on not being able to log in, with no responses I could see from the "volunteers"
that mod site. Not saying they didn't, and like hear, just couldn't find responses.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: twatts (pants are so over-rated...) on September 05, 2018, 02:49:58 PM
I wonder if we have just witnessed the inevitable death of ETREE...

Terry
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: stober on September 05, 2018, 04:45:38 PM
Hope not.. but I’ve been thinking the same thing...
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: todd e on September 06, 2018, 10:35:18 AM
could be a blessing in disguise, stand up a new one with some of the issues worked out from previous versions?  i am talking entirely outta turn, but one can dream?
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: heathen on September 06, 2018, 11:39:48 AM
There is certainly an opportunity for someone to fill the vacuum.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: twatts (pants are so over-rated...) on September 06, 2018, 01:04:45 PM
could be a blessing in disguise, stand up a new one with some of the issues worked out from previous versions?  i am talking entirely outta turn, but one can dream?

Agreed, though there was always opportunity to start your own Tracker...  Lossless Legs has taken over as the "go-to" place for most of the ETREE allowable stuff...

Terry
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Gordon on September 06, 2018, 01:27:37 PM
Lossless Legs has taken over as the "go-to" place for most of the ETREE allowable stuff...

Terry


maybe around here but the general "downloading public" probably doesn't even know about LL unless they are big dead heads.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: heathen on September 06, 2018, 01:34:16 PM
Lossless Legs has taken over as the "go-to" place for most of the ETREE allowable stuff...

Terry


maybe around here but the general "downloading public" probably doesn't even know about LL unless they are big dead heads.

One of the nice things about bt.etree, IMO, is the ability to download torrents without the need to make an account or log in.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: capnhook on September 06, 2018, 02:16:12 PM
Quote from:  link=topic=187624.msg2276015#msg2276015 date=1536255256

One of the nice things about bt.etree, IMO, was the ability to download torrents without the need to make an account or log in.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: twatts (pants are so over-rated...) on September 06, 2018, 04:00:33 PM
Lossless Legs has taken over as the "go-to" place for most of the ETREE allowable stuff...

Terry


maybe around here but the general "downloading public" probably doesn't even know about LL unless they are big dead heads.

One of the nice things about bt.etree, IMO, is the ability to download torrents without the need to make an account or log in.


Agree with both statements... 

LL could do more to advertise, but then again, do we want riff-raff there???

ETREE didn't have the baggage of a Forum, so you could let anyone on...  The most damage they could do is banter on Comments...

Terry
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: vanark on September 06, 2018, 04:07:10 PM
I visited LL yesterday and it is still heavily dominated by GD related material.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: todd e on September 06, 2018, 09:08:23 PM
numerous old school ts-ers made great trackers, thinking bout joe w and folks at digitalpanic back in the day

id even put some loot into this idea, an open source concept for a tracker, if there is such a thing
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: noahbickart on September 06, 2018, 11:08:45 PM
I'd prefer not to abandon the etree universe, it's worked so well for us for so long.

Hopefully Bartol at al can get it back up.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: heathen on September 06, 2018, 11:29:29 PM
I'd prefer not to abandon the etree universe, it's worked so well for us for so long.

It seems to be abandoning us...
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: twatts (pants are so over-rated...) on September 07, 2018, 01:49:08 AM
I'd prefer not to abandon the etree universe, it's worked so well for us for so long.

Hopefully Bartol at al can get it back up.

DB seems to be functioning just fine.  That's the only part I care about!

Terry
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: georgeh on September 10, 2018, 07:30:31 AM
'LL is great source for dead, obviously,  how many shows do you have to download before able to upload? I downloaded several, still don't think I can upload.  I'll probably go to traders den. Guess biggest thing is making fans aware of a new site, that is the reason to upload? I always upload to lam, I feel it is the best archive, which is a major reason, if my computer crashes, not great about saving shows to a hard copy anymore,  ie dvd of 24 bit. I also agree it could be funded by donations, hopefully
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: rhinowing on September 10, 2018, 08:10:38 AM
'LL is great source for dead, obviously,  how many shows do you have to download before able to upload? I downloaded several, still don't think I can upload.  I'll probably go to traders den. Guess biggest thing is making fans aware of a new site, that is the reason to upload? I always upload to lam, I feel it is the best archive, which is a major reason, if my computer crashes, not great about saving shows to a hard copy anymore,  ie dvd of 24 bit. I also agree it could be funded by donations, hopefully

You have to PM the mods to gain uploading ability
Title: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: vanark on September 10, 2018, 08:13:23 AM
That sounds great. :rollseyes:
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: georgeh on September 10, 2018, 08:53:44 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: jcable77 on September 10, 2018, 12:55:14 PM
I just feel bad for for the 3 people that would have downloaded the last show i was gonna upload there.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: morst on September 10, 2018, 01:10:58 PM
Quote from:  link=topic=187624.msg2276015#msg2276015 date=1536255256

One of the nice things about bt.etree, IMO, was the ability to download torrents without the need to make an account or log in.
You can still access all the old stuff, just can't add new torrents.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: capnhook on September 10, 2018, 01:25:47 PM
I'm going to check in once a week and seed, until we get a heartbeat.

bt.etree = comatose

Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: stober on September 11, 2018, 01:59:08 PM
Looks like I can log in again now. Kept telling me since 8/22 that my password was wrong which is wasn’t. I guess it’s progress. Still can’t upload anything yet.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: georgeh on September 12, 2018, 10:23:06 AM
Tradersden....I believe you have to put the torrent in the folder you are uploading, if this is the case and you already tried or have uploaded to bt.etree, wouldn't that make the bt upload bad now, because you changed it, no longer have md5 file correct?
not sure if i was clear, but will find out soon enough i guess.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: georgeh on September 12, 2018, 10:35:43 AM
so i just went to bt.etree, when i hit upload it said "file not found" at this address http://bt.etree.org/login-test.php?returnto=%2Fupload.php
but i could download http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=601039
anyone know anything else about upload?
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: georgeh on September 12, 2018, 11:11:46 AM
so i just went to bt.etree, when i hit upload it said "file not found" at this address http://bt.etree.org/login-test.php?returnto=%2Fupload.php
but i could download http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=601039
anyone know anything else about upload?
guess i wasn't signed in. I just downloaded a dead show, top one one list and uploaded, that appeared to work? But still doesn't show two shows that uploading during that crash phase?
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Gordon on September 12, 2018, 11:21:21 AM
You have to check the box that says "show torrents with no seeds". If you're not logged in you can't post a new show as login is broken.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: georgeh on September 12, 2018, 11:35:15 AM
thanks, I could log in and acted like I was logged in, took upload of new show, just don't see it, or see any new ones.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: georgeh on September 12, 2018, 11:37:42 AM
sorry, i did hit button and see all the new torrents
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: stober on September 12, 2018, 01:53:08 PM
Oh shit looks like it’s fixed. I see new torrents added today!
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Gordon on September 12, 2018, 02:20:36 PM
Oh shit looks like it’s fixed. I see new torrents added today!

just saw that myself!
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: twatts (pants are so over-rated...) on September 12, 2018, 02:25:45 PM
And the dead shall rise...
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on September 12, 2018, 03:03:14 PM
Very nice. Been waiting to upload my Phish @ Dick's to a place where someone might actually find them! :D
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: rhinowing on September 12, 2018, 05:57:33 PM
is LL down now though??
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: jazzgtrl4 on September 12, 2018, 06:07:52 PM
Uploaded Mule from last night, everything seems ok on my end as far as the torrent and seeding.   i just cant get etree to recognize me as the seed. i have 0 seeds and 0 leechs.  there seems to be 5 of us stuck like that.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: heathen on September 12, 2018, 06:08:14 PM
is LL down now though??

We can't have EVERY tracker working simultaneously.   
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: rigpimp on September 12, 2018, 08:25:57 PM
It is alive!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c

is LL down now though??

No, I can log in to LL just fine and there are shows that were uploaded today.

Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: heathen on September 13, 2018, 10:36:55 AM
Something seems to be amiss again...
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on September 13, 2018, 12:47:52 PM
Doesn't seem to be working for me now. Uploaded my Phish @ Dick's recordings and my client won't even show them.

We'll see what happens through the day.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Gordon on September 13, 2018, 12:54:28 PM
I was finally able to login yesterday.  Posted my Jayhawks.  Client shows it, able to upload but still shows 0 seeds on bt.  A few new ones did show up yesterday but not most.......
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: rigpimp on September 13, 2018, 01:17:03 PM
Some things are OK and others not.  I just hopped on the Matis soundboard and it is flying high and fast at over 3.5MB/s.  It shows 1 seed and no leechers but that is incorrect.

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=601118
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: georgeh on September 14, 2018, 10:27:29 AM
hmmm, whole lot of shows up. just still showing no seeds? Oh well, hopefully soon........
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: jefflester on September 14, 2018, 04:29:52 PM
hmmm, whole lot of shows up. just still showing no seeds? Oh well, hopefully soon........
My experience is that the shows are actually seeding, it just doesn't show that on the page listing all the torrents. I grabbed the recent Holly Bowling show that IIRC said no seeds but there were actually 5. Somewhat similar to rigpimp's experience from yesterday.
(at work, can't get to bt.etree.org to check)
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: vanark on September 15, 2018, 02:48:58 PM
I received this message yesterday with some info on bt.etree.org. Since there appears to be quite a vacuum of information, perhaps this will help some.

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Greetings friend!

etree.org has been the worldwide leader in legal lossless live music trading for quite a while now. And, as with any old dog learning new tricks, we got a little rickety.

We know you’re concerned.

The Server Team is currently working hard to get things up and rolling again. Really hard. Trust us.

So - thanks for your patience while the new “tricks” get hammered smooth. And don’t fear!

ETREE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND WILL BE BACK SOON!!

Maybe some questions we can answer:

• are you guys ok?
A: YES! It’s work, but we love it!

• do you know what happened around aug 21st?
A: YES! When we get everything straight we’ll let everyone hear the whole story...

• is there anything - I - can do to help?
A: YES! Bear with us while we figure out what that may be. .... ......

• does anyone need me to miracle my extra VIP package tickets with round trip airfare and everything included to Riviera Mara?
A: YES! Bring ‘em on!!!

Thanks again, truly, for the selfless contributions YOU have made all this time to make etree.org the best community in music!

Cheers,

Your etree.org Server Team
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: jeenash on September 15, 2018, 07:41:58 PM
Great news!
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: georgeh on September 16, 2018, 10:28:29 AM
at least they put this up "We are performing maintenance on the site. Be back shortly."
glad they said something, rather than before with everyone just wondering what was up.
Thanks to the etree team !!
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Humbug on September 16, 2018, 12:14:56 PM
db.etree must be related to all of this - I can no longer log onto my list there:

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db.etree.org is no longer part of etree.org

Please sit tight while we come up with something new and improved for you.
If you are a Developer or a Taper and would like to help out please email server@etree.org.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: mgoldey on September 16, 2018, 01:16:51 PM
Remember what I wrote this?


Attempts to create change at bt.etree usually result in the "Server Team" digging their heads out of their loins for a little while, making ridiculous accusations and destroying whatever change was made, and maybe deleting db.etree's DNS entry or e-mail services or some other petty act of vandalism before sinking back into cyberspace . . . .

That's exactly what happened. 

All db.etree data is intact and the site will be back.  Vandalism is more effective when your hosting company is in the path of Hurricane Florence . . . .

Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: DATBoy on September 17, 2018, 11:51:05 AM
Folks:

It is not possible to log in to bt.etree at the moment.  The reason is that, a few weeks ago, someone claimed to have hacked into the etree.org sites.  After investigating, we decided to change the encryption on the logins and to tighten up the code protecting the database.  Bt.etree hasn't implemented the new system yet.  Until they do, all logins will fail.  (Logging in to db.etree works fine.)

If you've noticed that no one responds to e-mails to server@etree, that's b/c the guys who maintain bt.etree basically don't.

As for Mr. Stewart's rant, that's another story. 

Last night, he e-mailed the db.etree admin address with this: 

Quote
"HELP!!! LOGIN FAILED!!!!!!" 

Please help!!! I cannot log in!!! I have been logged on etree forever but now, not only does it not receive my password/username but when I go to "forgot password" it says my email address DOES NOT EXIST!! Please help, urgent!!!

I do have godlike powers, but if you don't tell me your username I don't know who you are.  It also helps to identify the website you're talking about.  Anyway, db.etree provides actual support, so I went into the database and looked up every account with his e-mail address associated with it.  And then I wrote back: 

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Colby:

There are at least three accounts with your e-mail address at db.etree:  nitro22888, supercurio and cmstewart.

When you signed up, you didn't put in a valid e-mail address even once.  So, db.etree.org does not have your e-mail address.

Are any of those accounts real?  Which one are you trying to log into.  Can we get rid of the one you created yesterday?

This was his response:

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I have had the same account on db.etree for over a year, and access it daily. When your site said "login failed" about 700 times I "wondered" if I accidentally used a different name without realizing it and tried EVERYTHING I could think of. Are they real????? Wtf are you trying to accuse me of. I'm posting this email thread on the taperssection tonight so go ahead and accuse me of scamming you or something. I have always had Nitro22888 as my username. And to my knowledge by.etree never asked me for an email address except on the "forgot password" page. So you tell me what to do, and I'll do it. You FAQ and wiki pages are all down, so when there's any problem there's zero support, especially for relatively new members like myself. I'm only to share music, and that is all. Do what you want though.

I'm not going to explain everything that's wrong with that. 

I will remind everyone that etree.org is run by volunteers; that db.etree and bt.etree are run by different people; that the "Server Team" is basically AWOL which is why bt.etree hasn't changed in 15 years and why no one has fixed the login system over there for several days; and that, if you ask for help, please ask in an intelligent way.

Happy taping.

--mhg

I was going through this and I saw this message. This is a bit concerning to me. Is it really necessary to post the emails this guy wrote over to etree? There are better ways you could have approached this. Volunteer or not, I don't see the reason why we should all know exactly what he said in emails and get called out for it. Just because this is a thread about problems with etree doesn't mean that should be an excuse to put someone's messages here that were directed to the etree staff and not to this community.

I would personally be livid if someone posted my stuff here like that.

Someone said part of the problem with etree is that etree is ran volunteers who have jobs, kids, and other things like that. Looks to me like part of the problem here it is also that etree is also ran by some immature people who act like kids too.

Sorry to say but after reading all this, my trust in etree is even lower since it seems that some people can't keep communications internal with other users. Maybe there should be a disclaimer on the user agreement that all emails to the admins are subject to be posted to other places in some form outside of etree.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: mgoldey on September 17, 2018, 04:15:25 PM
I think, DATBoy, that you would have done a better job of asking for help in the first place and understanding the answer and keeping track of who you had been speaking with.  Then you wouldn't have come to TS and posted this: 

This evening they responded basically telling me to f-off.

If I'm right, then no one would be reading about it here.



Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: mcfoster on September 17, 2018, 05:18:39 PM
Bt.etree.org now says:  "goodbye"    on the website that's it.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: wvmaine on September 17, 2018, 05:31:04 PM
What a rollercoaster this has become. Now it seems to have flown off the tracks. Bummer
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: heathen on September 17, 2018, 05:52:57 PM
Wow...I wonder if that's real or if they got hacked??  Losing the etree torrent site would be a huge bummer, if this is real.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: DATBoy on September 17, 2018, 06:21:31 PM
I think, DATBoy, that you would have done a better job of asking for help in the first place and understanding the answer and keeping track of who you had been speaking with.  Then you wouldn't have come to TS and posted this: 

This evening they responded basically telling me to f-off.

If I'm right, then no one would be reading about it here.

Keyword - "they." He never addressed you by directly by name and he also never once copied and pasted the communication of who he talked to directly. He made a general statement on what he was told. You could have handled this much better and came across more professional than you did and frankly you didn't. This is all on you. As far as I'm concerned, you just solidified my argument against people like you who are involved with etree. Being a volunteer for etree or anywhere on or off the internet for other places is NOT a license to act anyway you please with people's information and/or communication. You can't get away with doing that as a volunteer in many organizations/places and certainly why you are with no one calling you out on this initially baffles me tremendously. Certainly I don't call the shots here on etree's way of handling things, but God help all of those users on here or anywhere if they still trust putting their information and/or private communication into the etree admin's hands.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: stober on September 17, 2018, 06:39:37 PM
“Goodbye” :(
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on September 17, 2018, 06:54:26 PM
I still hope bt.etree will be back at some point (hopefully soon)...but if it doesn't it would be cool if we all could get on the same page on a replacement for open taping bands.

bt.etree was pretty universally known by non-tapers asking where I'd post my recordings. It made it a lot easier when packing up at the end of the night. I'd normally say etree and most folks said cool and went on their way.

It might take a while but if we settled on something like Lossless Legs (just as an example), eventually the masses would catch on and we all could direct them there with ease.

Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: heathen on September 17, 2018, 07:04:02 PM
No site that requires registration in order to download will completely replace bt.etree, in my opinion.  Being "open to the public" is (was?) a huge advantage of bt.etree.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: audBall on September 17, 2018, 10:24:20 PM
That looks to be exactly what they're implementing.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: twatts (pants are so over-rated...) on September 17, 2018, 11:49:03 PM
I think, DATBoy, that you would have done a better job of asking for help in the first place and understanding the answer and keeping track of who you had been speaking with.  Then you wouldn't have come to TS and posted this: 

This evening they responded basically telling me to f-off.

If I'm right, then no one would be reading about it here.

Keyword - "they." He never addressed you by directly by name and he also never once copied and pasted the communication of who he talked to directly. He made a general statement on what he was told. You could have handled this much better and came across more professional than you did and frankly you didn't. This is all on you. As far as I'm concerned, you just solidified my argument against people like you who are involved with etree. Being a volunteer for etree or anywhere on or off the internet for other places is NOT a license to act anyway you please with people's information and/or communication. You can't get away with doing that as a volunteer in many organizations/places and certainly why you are with no one calling you out on this initially baffles me tremendously. Certainly I don't call the shots here on etree's way of handling things, but God help all of those users on here or anywhere if they still trust putting their information and/or private communication into the etree admin's hands.

DATboy and Goldey - Just stop. 

All this crap is just refrying the same bacon.  We've all been through this before and its always the same.  Some one gets mad about something and it starts a fight over something stupid.  And then absolutely nothing changes. 

BT.ETREE was run by volunteers many years ago.  Because of the fact that you can never please all the people all the time, they got fed up with the BS and left.  They pretty much left BT on auto-pilot, ie nothing changes.  Eventually it was going to die.  Anyone in the know could foresee that. 

DB.ETREE is a different situation.  I think their main server is down b/c of Florence???  And Tom Anderson does a good job.  He will answer your questions, and do maintenance as needed...

I really hope DB comes back.  I don't maintain a list there, but the PH DB, and all the Knowledge Inherent In The Universe, is almost required in order to maintain a good PH collection.  I personally would like to see the PH (and other bands that have an important presence there) be split out into their own DBs and maintained separately so that one rotten apple doesn't ruin the entire barrel...

And while I would like to see BT make a come back, I don't think it serves a particular function that can't be replicated by another site, or another version of BT.  I wonder if anyone here would be willing take on the monumentally painful task of running BT???  I wish I could, but I'm just about computer illiterate...

Terry
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: twatts (pants are so over-rated...) on September 17, 2018, 11:52:59 PM
No site that requires registration in order to download will completely replace bt.etree, in my opinion.  Being "open to the public" is (was?) a huge advantage of bt.etree.

Exactly.  All you had to do was search and DL.  It was super convenient for people that hardly ever DLed, but wanted to get a copy of that whatever show they saw... 

I think I told a brazilian people to go to ETREE to download my tapes, back when I actually used to tape shows...

Terry
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: heathen on September 18, 2018, 12:09:10 AM
I really hope DB comes back.  I don't maintain a list there, but the PH DB, and all the Knowledge Inherent In The Universe, is almost required in order to maintain a good PH collection.  I personally would like to see the PH (and other bands that have an important presence there) be split out into their own DBs and maintained separately so that one rotten apple doesn't ruin the entire barrel...

Torrent trackers come and go, but losing all the info in db.etree would be the biggest loss out of all of this.  I hope that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: twatts (pants are so over-rated...) on September 18, 2018, 12:22:05 AM
I really hope DB comes back.  I don't maintain a list there, but the PH DB, and all the Knowledge Inherent In The Universe, is almost required in order to maintain a good PH collection.  I personally would like to see the PH (and other bands that have an important presence there) be split out into their own DBs and maintained separately so that one rotten apple doesn't ruin the entire barrel...

Torrent trackers come and go, but losing all the info in db.etree would be the biggest loss out of all of this.  I hope that doesn't happen.

I have faith in Tom that DB will come back...  If not, he better figure out a way to export all that PH knowledge, or he's going to have to deal with a bitchy twatts!

Terry
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: DATBoy on September 18, 2018, 02:33:37 AM
I think, DATBoy, that you would have done a better job of asking for help in the first place and understanding the answer and keeping track of who you had been speaking with.  Then you wouldn't have come to TS and posted this: 

This evening they responded basically telling me to f-off.

If I'm right, then no one would be reading about it here.

Keyword - "they." He never addressed you by directly by name and he also never once copied and pasted the communication of who he talked to directly. He made a general statement on what he was told. You could have handled this much better and came across more professional than you did and frankly you didn't. This is all on you. As far as I'm concerned, you just solidified my argument against people like you who are involved with etree. Being a volunteer for etree or anywhere on or off the internet for other places is NOT a license to act anyway you please with people's information and/or communication. You can't get away with doing that as a volunteer in many organizations/places and certainly why you are with no one calling you out on this initially baffles me tremendously. Certainly I don't call the shots here on etree's way of handling things, but God help all of those users on here or anywhere if they still trust putting their information and/or private communication into the etree admin's hands.

DATboy and Goldey - Just stop. 

All this crap is just refrying the same bacon.  We've all been through this before and its always the same.  Some one gets mad about something and it starts a fight over something stupid.  And then absolutely nothing changes. 

BT.ETREE was run by volunteers many years ago.  Because of the fact that you can never please all the people all the time, they got fed up with the BS and left.  They pretty much left BT on auto-pilot, ie nothing changes.  Eventually it was going to die.  Anyone in the know could foresee that. 

DB.ETREE is a different situation.  I think their main server is down b/c of Florence???  And Tom Anderson does a good job.  He will answer your questions, and do maintenance as needed...

I really hope DB comes back.  I don't maintain a list there, but the PH DB, and all the Knowledge Inherent In The Universe, is almost required in order to maintain a good PH collection.  I personally would like to see the PH (and other bands that have an important presence there) be split out into their own DBs and maintained separately so that one rotten apple doesn't ruin the entire barrel...

And while I would like to see BT make a come back, I don't think it serves a particular function that can't be replicated by another site, or another version of BT.  I wonder if anyone here would be willing take on the monumentally painful task of running BT???  I wish I could, but I'm just about computer illiterate...

Terry

I don't know you Terry, but I'll just say this - if you are ok with someone posting your messages without consent, so be it. I don't agree with the way that was all handled here. Also, I don't think anything I have said about it will make a change or even an agreement from some of the other people who are involved in being an admin/moderator on the site. Therefor, I have nothing further to say about this.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: rigpimp on September 18, 2018, 03:38:44 AM
I wonder if archive.org is willing to adopt this project
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: twatts (pants are so over-rated...) on September 18, 2018, 08:13:08 AM


I don't know you Terry, but I'll just say this - if you are ok with someone posting your messages without consent, so be it. I don't agree with the way that was all handled here. Also, I don't think anything I have said about it will make a change or even an agreement from some of the other people who are involved in being an admin/moderator on the site. Therefor, I have nothing further to say about this.

I don't disagree with you.  I consider MGoldey a friend, but I'll be the first to admit his way of handling of these situations doesn't help. 

I just want to point out that these issues have all occurred before and nothing is going to change.  Its unfortunate, but that's just the way it is... 

Terry
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: stober on September 18, 2018, 10:20:51 AM
Looks like they are back up on a new page but need help from tapers.
I reached out to help what I can...

Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: todd e on September 18, 2018, 11:54:42 AM
Screengrab
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: BonoBeats on September 18, 2018, 12:55:02 PM
Total redesign, being built on the Gazelle platform, similar to the old what.cd.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Twenty8 on September 18, 2018, 01:49:44 PM
I am new here, so newb content, but read the whole thread.

I dl a lot of Phish.  I just started taping during the Dicks run, patched most of the second half of tour.

My option is to wait a bit, correct?
Seems like I have *fantastic* timing with this etree issue ...
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: heathen on September 19, 2018, 12:03:02 AM
My option is to wait a bit, correct?

Yeah, or go to one of the "competitors" like Lossless Legs, Traders Den, etc.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: twatts (pants are so over-rated...) on September 27, 2018, 12:46:14 AM
Cut from another MB:

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There are a couple people in the hub who are volunteers on the new bt site, which is currently having its bugs worked out by the dev team.  It’s going to be an all new tracker and forum.  So unless something major has changed in the last couple of days since we last spoke, it’ll be back all new and improved.

Terry
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: georgeh on October 01, 2018, 04:46:36 PM
so...i got invite to join new and improved after emailing them
pro" bt.etree. guess i didn't do my first upload correctly? got a comment telling me to download the torrent.
Anyone else up on the new site? can't even figure out how to download...but do see the torrent up. and other torrents up. guess i'll try to download something else
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: georgeh on October 01, 2018, 05:01:13 PM
..as usual, i jumped into it without reading...never will learn...
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: rigpimp on October 02, 2018, 10:01:24 PM
So is this a private site now? 
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: capnhook on October 02, 2018, 10:16:58 PM
So is this a private site now?

Yes, inquiring minds want to know.
 :bigsmile:
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: georgeh on October 03, 2018, 11:21:11 AM
seems like they are letting tapers sign up to check bugs out? I just emailed them, more on a log in question, and stated only a taper, no computer skills (AT ALL ;D)
mixed comments on how well it is working, i did download a show, but couldn't seed, again, probably something I did wrong on seeding?
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: georgeh on October 03, 2018, 04:34:42 PM
from site, an admin answer....

"Short answer is - we're not ready for the public yet. There is still a lot of coding needed. Once the site operates properly - it will no longer be invite only. The invite only setting allows us to be up and running and limit who is in, until we're ready to open."


2 week old message
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: jcable77 on October 03, 2018, 04:52:57 PM

NOTE: bt.etree.org is back up and working! There are a few problems.. you will need to login twice if you are looking to upload(the first time will return you to the login screen and then the second time it should work). Comments are not working, and also editing torrents are not working. More updates to come!
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on October 03, 2018, 05:16:40 PM
Sweet. I'll try to upload my backlog of recordings in a few minutes.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Gordon on October 04, 2018, 09:52:19 AM
logged in twice like it said, uploaded a torrent.  shows a seed but says "upped by unknown".  doesn't show on main page and can't sort by "torrents with no seeds".  also doesn't show under "my page" > "view your torrents"

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=601941

Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Gordon on October 04, 2018, 10:24:22 AM
Now it's up but shows that zman uploaded ??
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: capnhook on October 04, 2018, 10:31:43 AM
I see that too Gordon.  That ain't right.



Another glitch:  I went to search for my shows, using my username "capnhook53", and it only returns a blank webpage right now.

Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: jcable77 on October 04, 2018, 04:11:32 PM
Now it's up but shows that zman uploaded ??
Well, Z hasnt uploaded to etree in over a month. Maybe to catch up etree is just going to say everything was taped by him for the first few weeks?
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Big Perm on October 20, 2018, 06:53:46 AM
I see that everything appears to be working. others are uploading. I can not get my torrent to seed. I have right clicked and updated tracker a million times. Its been about 6 hours and nothing. Has the tracker changed? Its been a couple months since I uploaded anything???
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: vanark on October 20, 2018, 08:33:39 AM
I see that everything appears to be working. others are uploading. I can not get my torrent to seed. I have right clicked and updated tracker a million times. Its been about 6 hours and nothing. Has the tracker changed? Its been a couple months since I uploaded anything???
Nope, everything was the same when I uploaded something last week.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: Big Perm on October 20, 2018, 02:41:07 PM
I got it...I disconnected from hotel wifi and connected to my phone hotspot and it went right through.
Title: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: vanark on October 20, 2018, 03:16:19 PM
I think the other option is to use a VPN. I use Windscribe. I think the free version has 10 GB of bandwidth.

Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: rigpimp on October 23, 2018, 04:49:17 PM
Is db.etree.org dead???

http://db.etree.org/index.html

Unfortunately, long time etree.org volunteer, Tom H Anderson, has left
etree.org and has asked that this site be removed.

He claims under penalty of perjury in a United States court of law
that he is the owner of "all code and database for the site."

This is something etree.org disagrees with. We hope to return
db.etree.org VERY soon. We apologize for this inconvenience.

"What we're thinking about is a peaceful planet. We're not thinking
about anything else. We're not thinking about any kind of power. We're
not thinking about any kind of struggles. We're not thinking about
revolution or war or any of that. That's not what we want. Nobody
wants to get hurt. Nobody wants to hurt anybody. We would all like to
be able to live an uncluttered life. A simple life, a good life. And
think about moving the whole human race ahead a step, or a few steps."
--Jerry Garcia
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: twatts (pants are so over-rated...) on October 23, 2018, 07:47:40 PM
Is db.etree.org dead???


It just moved over here:  As of this moment, Users are entering new Shows and Sources at this Site:

https://db.etreedb.org/

Terry
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: vanark on October 23, 2018, 08:09:06 PM
Is db.etree.org dead???


It just moved over here:

https://db.etreedb.org/

Terry
I don't agree that it "just moved". It's a shame the etreedb folks have chosen to split the etree community.
Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: twatts (pants are so over-rated...) on October 24, 2018, 12:08:35 AM
Is db.etree.org dead???


It just moved over here:

https://db.etreedb.org/

Terry
I don't agree that it "just moved". It's a shame the etreedb folks have chosen to split the etree community.

I know little about the internal workings of BT and DB.DB, and I agree that what has happened is "a shame".

But for practical purposes, the DB has moved to DB.DB.  As a PH Volunteer Admin., I have to follow where the PH People go, and they have chosen to go to DB.DB.

On a side note, I hope that the people in charge of BT don't try and run their own version of DB.  Reverting to the DB would throw off the Source numbering system that the GD and PH people have used at DB.DB for the last month.  It would just cause a lot of chaos and confusion.

It would be nice to see the two sides decide to put aside their differences and come to a mutual agreement.  There is no reason why the two sites can't still work in conjunction, even if actual "ownership" of the two sites is in separate hands.  Hopefully someone on one side or the other will decide to man up and extend an olive branch, if only for the benefit of the community.

Cheers,

Terry









Title: Re: Uploading torrent to Etree problem
Post by: furburger on October 24, 2018, 04:35:50 PM
probably for the best....too much hippie drivel on etree as it is.