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Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« on: October 03, 2017, 01:26:04 PM »
https://www.sounddevices.com/products/recorders/mixpre-10t

The Sound Devices MixPre-10T is a 10-input recorder with a built-in time code generator and reader, offering up to 12 tracks of polyphonic WAV file recording. It includes balanced outputs, locking 4-pin Hirose power connector and the ability to copy recorded files to a removable thumbdrive.

 The MixPre-10T will retail for $1799. Pre-orders are open now and it's expected to start shipping at the end of October. Get your order in now - initial supply may be limited and we'll be fulfilling orders first come, first served!

Some of the major features of the MixPre-10T include: •Exceptional audio quality – featuring eight ultra-low-noise, discrete, Class-A, Kashmir mic preamps handcrafted by Sound Devices. The MixPre-10T offers signature analog limiters and new 32-bit A-to-D converters to ensure high quality, professional-grade audio recordings.
 
•Accurate Time Code – with built-in, ultra-high accuracy time code generator and reader. Even when turned off or if all power is removed, the MixPre-10T continues to hold accurate timecode for hours. With its BNC, Aux, and HDMI timecode connections, all common frame rates and timecode modes are supported as well as the ability to lock to or output wordclock.
 
•Versatile I/O routing – flexibility with its two TA3 balanced outputs and a 3.5mm Stereo output, each with routing matrix. The MixPre-10T comes equipped with eight XLR/TRS combo Mic/Line level inputs, and a 3.5mm Aux/Mic input, which may be used for 2-channel line input, camera return, or time code.
 
•Flexible powering options – including a locking 4-pin Hirose connector for either external battery powering or AC-powering, as well as AA or Li-Ion battery sleds.
 
•Unintimidating design – featuring a sunlight-readable, IPS touch screen LCD, and transport control joystick.
 
•Mixing and metering – with gain control knobs, and access to panning and soloing via a simple press of the knob. Easy-to-read ring LEDs display limiter activity, and three LCD views provide easy monitoring of multitrack, mix, and USB return meters.
 
•Built-in Bluetooth Smart® – enables control of the device from the free Sound Devices Wingman app. Users can start/stop recording, enter/edit metadata, and arm, disarm and rename tracks. MixPre-10T users also manage and create sound reports, plus email those reports directly from an iOS or Android device via Wingman.
 
•Superior headphone monitoring – through the MixPre-10T’s custom-designed, wide-bandwidth headphone amp, and user programmable routing presets.
 
•Compact and durable – the chassis is constructed from die-cast aluminum, class leading compact size and lightweight.
Like the MixPre-3 and MixPre-6, the MixPre-10T also makes an excellent USB audio interface featuring 12 channels in and 4 channels out from a Mac or Windows computer at up to 96k sample rate. The Mixpre-10T features the unique ability to record to an SD, SDHC or SDXC media card while simultaneously audio streaming via USB. The MixPre-10T can automatically copy recordings to a USB thumbdrive for creating a backup or deliver to clients.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2017, 01:28:53 PM »
The elves have been hard at work...

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2017, 01:42:06 PM »
I'm in - have sent an email in regards to availability.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2017, 01:58:54 PM »
have a feeling I may be purchasing an mp6 with the forthcoming fire sale from people upgrading  :cheers: :guitarist: ;D
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2017, 01:59:54 PM »
Checking in.  Is this the Mixpre-6 early adopter's remorse thread?   :-*

2 new features:

1) Hirose power in!
2) Backup recording to a USB drive!  Can this be added via firmware updates to the 3/6?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2017, 02:04:10 PM »
I'm in - have sent an email in regards to availability.

I was the first to pre-order through Trew Nashville.  They said they should be delivered before or on Halloween. 

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2017, 02:27:30 PM »
Checking in.  Is this the Mixpre-6 early adopter's remorse thread?   :-*

2 new features:

1) Hirose power in!
2) Backup recording to a USB drive!  Can this be added via firmware updates to the 3/6?

Background copy to USB thumbdrive only on the MixPre-10T, not the -3 or -6.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2017, 02:31:18 PM »
 :hmmm:
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2017, 02:41:35 PM »
have a feeling I may be purchasing an mp6 with the forthcoming fire sale from people upgrading  :cheers: :guitarist: ;D

^^^^^^^ This.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2017, 02:44:20 PM »
Checking in.  Is this the Mixpre-6 early adopter's remorse thread?   :-*

2 new features:

1) Hirose power in!
2) Backup recording to a USB drive!  Can this be added via firmware updates to the 3/6?

Background copy to USB thumbdrive only on the MixPre-10T, not the -3 or -6.

How many tracks can you record at 192 kHz | 24 bit?

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2017, 02:58:02 PM »
very interesting that this can't be powered from the usb-c.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2017, 03:02:14 PM »
I have a mixpre-3 and a mixpre-6 and I don't have any buyer's remorse on either unit.

The 10t would be on my wishlist if I ever had a need to setup more than 4 mics at a show. Currently, I don't plan on setting up more than 4 mics for any of the shows I tape.

Bottom line, thank you Sound Devices for covering the needs for just about all of us here with these kickass boxes.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2017, 03:04:05 PM »
Pre-Ordered mine from Gotham
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2017, 03:52:10 PM »
I'm holding out for the MixPre 20 because if I plug in all the mics I own I'll only have 6 spare channels with the 10T and I'm not sure I can take the stress of that little redundancy.
I pity those poor souls with a MixPre 6

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2017, 04:01:17 PM »
I'm holding out for the MixPre 20 because if I plug in all the mics I own I'll only have 6 spare channels with the 10T and I'm not sure I can take the stress of that little redundancy.
I pity those poor souls with a MixPre 6

Duncan

10 is a little overkill. I did use all 8 channels on my DR-680 once, but 6 of those were from the board (stereo board mix + 4 vocal mic outputs from the board) and really didn't add much over just taking the board feed.

I can see a lot of people I know using 3 pairs of mics directly into this thing.

I know Bennett was salivating over the new recorders but I think he was concerned with not being able to run 3 pairs without another box. I can't see him not picking one of these up.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2017, 04:13:19 PM »
I have a mixpre-3 and a mixpre-6 and I don't have any buyer's remorse on either unit.

The 10t would be on my wishlist if I ever had a need to setup more than 4 mics at a show. Currently, I don't plan on setting up more than 4 mics for any of the shows I tape.

Bottom line, thank you Sound Devices for covering the needs for just about all of us here with these kickass boxes.

Oh goodness I was only joking.   :coolguy:  Hell, I am still working on getting down a solid workflow with the Mixpre-6!

Also I only have 6 mics but I could see this being a super useful recorder for small ensembles that use less than 10 tracks allowing me to leave mics in the bag and multi-track a gig instead of recording ambient.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2017, 08:45:13 PM »
I’m interested in this for multiple mic + sbd main mix OR 8 direct outs from the board for a small band/solo/duo show and mix at home.

More options is always a good thing.

Looks like this will be about the same size or smaller than a V3.  That’s amazing.
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Earthworks TC25 (omnis) 

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bm2p+ Edirol UA-5 (FOR SALE - Make Offer)

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2017, 09:45:09 PM »
Checking in.  Is this the Mixpre-6 early adopter's remorse thread?   :-*

2 new features:

1) Hirose power in!
2) Backup recording to a USB drive!  Can this be added via firmware updates to the 3/6?

Background copy to USB thumbdrive only on the MixPre-10T, not the -3 or -6.

How many tracks can you record at 192 kHz | 24 bit?

All of them!

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2017, 09:54:33 PM »
I’m interested in this for multiple mic + sbd main mix OR 8 direct outs from the board for a small band/solo/duo show and mix at home.

More options is always a good thing.

Looks like this will be about the same size or smaller than a V3.  That’s amazing.

Actually the Mixpre-6 is V3 size.  Watch the video and youll see how big this is in relation to the V3 / 6.  Still, its small for 10+ channels.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2017, 10:32:51 PM »
Checking in.  Is this the Mixpre-6 early adopter's remorse thread?   :-*

2 new features:

1) Hirose power in!
2) Backup recording to a USB drive!  Can this be added via firmware updates to the 3/6?

Background copy to USB thumbdrive only on the MixPre-10T, not the -3 or -6.

How many tracks can you record at 192 kHz | 24 bit?

All of them!

Excellent!
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2017, 11:40:22 PM »
Still no digital input! Ugh!
this is definitely not normal

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2017, 01:12:10 AM »
I’m interested in this for multiple mic + sbd main mix OR 8 direct outs from the board for a small band/solo/duo show and mix at home.

More options is always a good thing.

Looks like this will be about the same size or smaller than a V3.  That’s amazing.

Actually the Mixpre-6 is V3 size.  Watch the video and youll see how big this is in relation to the V3 / 6.  Still, its small for 10+ channels.

From everything that I’ve seen, the mixpre6 is about the same size as the R-44, which is significantly smaller than my V3.

Here’s the posted dimensions:

Mixpre-6:  6.53 in x 4.65 in x 1.40 in

Mixpre-10T:  8.15 in x 6.88 in x 1.40 in

V3:  8.25 in x 5.5 in x 1.7 in

So that puts the Mixpre-10 about an inch and half deeper than the V3 (probably for the battery sled?) but smaller (basically same size) length and height wise.  And if you’re like me and have V3 stilts, it’s MUCH smaller than that package.

Truly a marvel of engineering. My bag and back is already happy with this purchase.
Mics:
DPA 4028 (wide cards)
DPA 4023 (cards)
Earthworks TC25 (omnis) 

Pres and a/d's:
Oade ACM Grace Lunatec V3 (FOR SALE - Make Offer)
bm2p+ Edirol UA-5 (FOR SALE - Make Offer)

Recorders:
Sound Devices MixPre-10T
Oade CM Edirol R-44 (FOR SALE - Make Offer)
Sony PCM‑M10

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2017, 01:14:03 AM »
What’s everyone’s ideas on powering this via the Hirose?  Need new battery options, as I don’t think the old dvd 9v batteries will run this thing.
Mics:
DPA 4028 (wide cards)
DPA 4023 (cards)
Earthworks TC25 (omnis) 

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Oade ACM Grace Lunatec V3 (FOR SALE - Make Offer)
bm2p+ Edirol UA-5 (FOR SALE - Make Offer)

Recorders:
Sound Devices MixPre-10T
Oade CM Edirol R-44 (FOR SALE - Make Offer)
Sony PCM‑M10

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2017, 01:55:28 AM »
What’s everyone’s ideas on powering this via the Hirose?  Need new battery options, as I don’t think the old dvd 9v batteries will run this thing.

Depends on what batteries you want to go with.  NP1's can be had relatively cheaply used, and are considered professional level.  Some NP1's coupled with a remote audio adapter would work great.  https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/287295-REG/Remote_Audio_NPADCSQN_NP_1_Cup_Adapter_with.html

A more modern battery would be the Remote Audio Hi-Q models, which come in a couple of sizes I believe.
http://remoteaudio.com/products/power/hi-q-batteries/

and then you'd need the specific adapter
http://remoteaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/HIQHIR.jpg

Since the place where I work has a ton of NP1's I went with those adapters.  But if I was buying all my own batteries I'd go with the Hi-Q version.

There may be many more affordable options, but the Remote Audio stuff I've been using and it works great.

Hope that helps,
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2017, 05:37:59 AM »
The Mixpre-6 is way smaller than a R44.   It is also smaller than a v3

I’m interested in this for multiple mic + sbd main mix OR 8 direct outs from the board for a small band/solo/duo show and mix at home.

More options is always a good thing.

Looks like this will be about the same size or smaller than a V3.  That’s amazing.

Actually the Mixpre-6 is V3 size.  Watch the video and youll see how big this is in relation to the V3 / 6.  Still, its small for 10+ channels.

From everything that I’ve seen, the mixpre6 is about the same size as the R-44, which is significantly smaller than my V3.

Here’s the posted dimensions:

Mixpre-6:  6.53 in x 4.65 in x 1.40 in

Mixpre-10T:  8.15 in x 6.88 in x 1.40 in

V3:  8.25 in x 5.5 in x 1.7 in

So that puts the Mixpre-10 about an inch and half deeper than the V3 (probably for the battery sled?) but smaller (basically same size) length and height wise.  And if you’re like me and have V3 stilts, it’s MUCH smaller than that package.

Truly a marvel of engineering. My bag and back is already happy with this purchase.
Schoeps MK4's, MK41's> KCY 250/5 Ig> Naiant PFA(60V)> Sound Devices Mixpre-6

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2017, 06:24:39 AM »
Good move by SD, fixes some of the main common flaws of the last couple of MixPre recorders.


Double the price of the MixPre-6 however! :-o

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2017, 06:35:09 AM »
The "joy stick" for start and stop is a bit sketchy, unless there is a hold/lock feature.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2017, 09:21:05 AM »
The "joy stick" for start and stop is a bit sketchy, unless there is a hold/lock feature.

SD's 6-series recorders use the joystick too. I own and use a 633 all the time and have never had an issue with it.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2017, 09:41:44 AM »
I wonder what the power requirements will be?

The included AC adapter is rated at 45w which is pretty high.  I doubt it comes close to using 45w though, but to put in perspective my hs-p82 pulls about 25w so I run a 16.8v 150wh battery to get about 6 hours of record time

These class of batteries aren’t cheap and start around the $125 range

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2017, 10:00:04 AM »
The "joy stick" for start and stop is a bit sketchy, unless there is a hold/lock feature.

SD's 6-series recorders use the joystick too. I own and use a 633 all the time and have never had an issue with it.

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what's the "joy stick"?

it this a change in the 10t from the 3 and the 6?

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2017, 10:28:06 AM »
The "joy stick" for start and stop is a bit sketchy, unless there is a hold/lock feature.

SD's 6-series recorders use the joystick too. I own and use a 633 all the time and have never had an issue with it.

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what's the "joy stick"?

it this a change in the 10t from the 3 and the 6?

yeah.  it's the "record" "ffwd" "rwd" "stop" button.  north, south, east, west. 

that's what it looks like anyway.  might be functional in the menu as well.  idk.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2017, 10:30:44 AM »
The "joy stick" for start and stop is a bit sketchy, unless there is a hold/lock feature.

really hope there's a hold feature.  just makes me feel better.

also, did they ever add pre-record?  that's less of an issue though.  you can always just hit record and cut out the extra later. 
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2017, 10:33:11 AM »
I wonder what the power requirements will be?

The included AC adapter is rated at 45w...

The AC adapter is NOT included (just an 8AA sled). An "Alvin's Cables" knockoff that should work, is available on eBay for under $40:

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2017, 10:57:58 AM »
The "joy stick" for start and stop is a bit sketchy, unless there is a hold/lock feature.

SD's 6-series recorders use the joystick too. I own and use a 633 all the time and have never had an issue with it.

-Mike

what's the "joy stick"?

it this a change in the 10t from the 3 and the 6?

Yes it is. It's the way the -10T (and the 6-series line) triggers record, play, stop, etc.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2017, 11:50:15 AM »
One rule of recorders--whatever you buy will be obsolete in a month. I'd bet for most of us the MixPre6 does enough for us channel-wise; for now I personally feel like the Zoom F8 is fine for me if I need more (have really only used all 8 once or twice).... But the 10T is a nice upgrade, especially having a professional-quality powering option. Looks like the body is almost the same size but with the "wings" for the additional XLRs.  $1800 is still a reasonable price, too.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2017, 12:02:37 PM »
I ran a R44 and a V3 combo for a long time and can say that the Mixpre-6 appears much closer in size to the V3 than it is to the R44.  The R44 is noticeably thicker than either of the two aforementioned pieces.  Looking forwaed to seeing these in the wild!
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2017, 03:03:10 PM »
have a feeling I may be purchasing an mp6 with the forthcoming fire sale from people upgrading  :cheers: :guitarist: ;D
Sd 722 & 744 prices should be dropping also.
How does the mixpre pres compare to the old 702, 744 and 788s?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2017, 04:45:41 PM »
There is 744t at Trew for $1300 right now

I’d expect the bottom to fallout on the 7xx series pretty soon

~600-700 for a 702
~800-900 for a 702T/722
~1000-1200 for a 744t

Possibly lower

I have seen 702s for around $750 and 702Ts for around 900 within the last year or so - but some people will still overpay for these units in the ~1200 and ~1400 ranges respectively - 744 prices are all over the place but better deals I have seen before theses new mix pres came out was $1500-1600
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« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2017, 05:59:20 PM »
Size comparison MixPre 3, 6, 10T
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« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2017, 08:47:19 PM »
have a feeling I may be purchasing an mp6 with the forthcoming fire sale from people upgrading  :cheers: :guitarist: ;D
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2017, 03:20:56 AM »
Looking at those units stacked up, I now want a MixPre-2 that can fit in your pocket. Perhaps I'm just being greedy. :)

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2017, 06:29:00 AM »
One rule of recorders--whatever you buy will be obsolete in a month. I'd bet for most of us the MixPre6 does enough for us channel-wise; for now I personally feel like the Zoom F8 is fine for me if I need more (have really only used all 8 once or twice).... But the 10T is a nice upgrade, especially having a professional-quality powering option. Looks like the body is almost the same size but with the "wings" for the additional XLRs.  $1800 is still a reasonable price, too.

I don't think the MixPre-10T makes the 6 or 3 obsolete in any way.  Different models for different uses.  Personally, I will never need ten channels or timecode.  Six (four, really) is more than sufficient and I much prefer the smaller size and lighter weight...

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2017, 10:26:04 AM »
I wonder what the power requirements will be?

The included AC adapter is rated at 45w which is pretty high.  I doubt it comes close to using 45w though, but to put in perspective my hs-p82 pulls about 25w so I run a 16.8v 150wh battery to get about 6 hours of record time

These class of batteries aren’t cheap and start around the $125 range

We don't have official figures quite yet, but on average you're probably looking at around 6-8W, depends on many things like how many phantom mics etc.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2017, 10:51:53 AM »
I’m interested in this for multiple mic + sbd main mix OR 8 direct outs from the board for a small band/solo/duo show and mix at home.

More options is always a good thing.

Looks like this will be about the same size or smaller than a V3.  That’s amazing.

Actually the Mixpre-6 is V3 size.  Watch the video and youll see how big this is in relation to the V3 / 6.  Still, its small for 10+ channels.



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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2017, 01:17:55 PM »
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2017, 02:15:36 PM »
One rule of recorders--whatever you buy will be obsolete in a month. I'd bet for most of us the MixPre6 does enough for us channel-wise; for now I personally feel like the Zoom F8 is fine for me if I need more (have really only used all 8 once or twice).... But the 10T is a nice upgrade, especially having a professional-quality powering option. Looks like the body is almost the same size but with the "wings" for the additional XLRs.  $1800 is still a reasonable price, too.

I don't think the MixPre-10T makes the 6 or 3 obsolete in any way.  Different models for different uses.  Personally, I will never need ten channels or timecode.  Six (four, really) is more than sufficient and I much prefer the smaller size and lighter weight...

Exactly.... I really feel like the 6 is an optimal size. It's enough smaller/lighter than a Zoom F8 that it makes a difference. The -10 actually looks bigger than the Zoom, plus given how the -6 does with powering, I'm guessing the 10 will need loads of power.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2017, 11:49:45 PM »
have a feeling I may be purchasing an mp6 with the forthcoming fire sale from people upgrading  :cheers: :guitarist: ;D
Sd 702 & 744 prices should be dropping also.
How does the mixpre pres compare to the old 702, 744 and 788s?
Paul or anyone who has had experience(s) with the 702, 744 and 788. How do these pres compare to the new mixpres? Seen others ask about this also but one has commented yet.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2017, 09:03:26 AM »
have a feeling I may be purchasing an mp6 with the forthcoming fire sale from people upgrading  :cheers: :guitarist: ;D
Sd 702 & 744 prices should be dropping also.
How does the mixpre pres compare to the old 702, 744 and 788s?
Paul or anyone who has had experience(s) with the 702, 744 and 788. How do these pres compare to the new mixpres? Seen others ask about this also but one has commented yet.

I think the 788 is the comparison most of us would be interested in, as those are SD's best preamps to this point.  From the horse's mouth:
http://www.sounddevices.com/tech-notes/788t-microphone-preamplifiers
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #48 on: October 08, 2017, 09:13:20 AM »
have a feeling I may be purchasing an mp6 with the forthcoming fire sale from people upgrading  :cheers: :guitarist: ;D
Sd 702 & 744 prices should be dropping also.
How does the mixpre pres compare to the old 702, 744 and 788s?
Paul or anyone who has had experience(s) with the 702, 744 and 788. How do these pres compare to the new mixpres? Seen others ask about this also but one has commented yet.

I think the 788 is the comparison most of us would be interested in, as those are SD's best preamps to this point.  From the horse's mouth:
http://www.sounddevices.com/tech-notes/788t-microphone-preamplifiers

they've had NINE YEARS of R&D and tech advances.  I doubt they would release an inferior product.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #49 on: October 08, 2017, 10:55:06 AM »
They have said all along that the Kashmir pre-amps are a significant upgrade to the 7XX series pre-amps. I love my 744, but I hear a definite positive difference. My only beef to date with these decks to date is the lack of a digital input - now especially with the 10T...they could have used one pair of the XLR inputs as a combo XLR/AES like the 744T has...
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« Reply #50 on: October 08, 2017, 11:17:49 AM »
They have said all along that the Kashmir pre-amps are a significant upgrade to the 7XX series pre-amps. I love my 744, but I hear a definite positive difference. My only beef to date with these decks to date is the lack of a digital input - now especially with the 10T...they could have used one pair of the XLR inputs as a combo XLR/AES like the 744T has...

they could.  but i just don't see the need in it.  i prefer them to have 8 full pre's instead of 2 and 2 like the 744.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #51 on: October 08, 2017, 11:31:27 AM »
have a feeling I may be purchasing an mp6 with the forthcoming fire sale from people upgrading  :cheers: :guitarist: ;D
Sd 702 & 744 prices should be dropping also.
How does the mixpre pres compare to the old 702, 744 and 788s?
Paul or anyone who has had experience(s) with the 702, 744 and 788. How do these pres compare to the new mixpres? Seen others ask about this also but one has commented yet.

I think the 788 is the comparison most of us would be interested in, as those are SD's best preamps to this point.  From the horse's mouth:
http://www.sounddevices.com/tech-notes/788t-microphone-preamplifiers

they've had NINE YEARS of R&D and tech advances.  I doubt they would release an inferior product.

All I'm saying is that high-end discrete analog components tend to be expensive, which is not a big deal in a $6500 device but it IS a big deal in a $1700 one.

The digital conversion certainly should be better than the old 7 series as those chips have gotten better / cheaper, but it's the analog front end of the preamps that most interests me here, as they have to meet a much lower price point.  The 7-series (and the old MixPres) had beefy discrete components, and the 788 eliminated the input transformers, I believe.  I'm wondering what type of circuit the new Kashmir preamps use, and how they are getting superior performance at this much lower price.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2017, 11:39:37 AM »
They have said all along that the Kashmir pre-amps are a significant upgrade to the 7XX series pre-amps. I love my 744, but I hear a definite positive difference.

Thanks for sharing your comparison.

My only beef to date with these decks to date is the lack of a digital input - now especially with the 10T...they could have used one pair of the XLR inputs as a combo XLR/AES like the 744T has...

If they had done so, that would have even more seriously undercut sales for the 788, although it seems we're still waiting for AES42 mics to gain any serious market presence.

The other big missing feature from the 788 I'm hearing from the classical guys on the GS Remote board is linking multiple units for higher track counts.  This seems like something they certainly could add to the 10T through firmware updates.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #53 on: October 08, 2017, 04:26:59 PM »
Purely my own conjecture, but I'm not sure if the mp10t really undercuts 788t sales if about everyone that can afford a 788t must have bought one by this point in its product cycle.  SD may be aiming at a broader market with this $1800 price point.  But this is all my own conjecture.

At the rate new recorders are being released, it almost seems risky to jump on any one of them until the market settles and we see how they really stack up in the real world.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #54 on: October 08, 2017, 05:52:39 PM »
This conversation about preamp quality is absurd. No one here is equipped with the measurement tools (or ears) to test the tiny, minuscule theoretical differences that might exist. Everyone is recording amplified music, which makes any difference entirely moot, and the number of blind listening tests posted on this forum is exactly zero, as it has been for many, many years. Even sans listening comps... no one is even discussing published specifications, probably because they don't know what they mean.

Personal bias and marketing hype is the only thing being discussed here. There are huge feature set differences between the 6-series, 7-series, and mixpre series; spending even a moment discussing "preamp quality" is a colossal waste of time.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #55 on: October 08, 2017, 09:10:51 PM »
This conversation about preamp quality is absurd. No one here is equipped with the measurement tools (or ears) to test the tiny, minuscule theoretical differences that might exist. Everyone is recording amplified music, which makes any difference entirely moot, and the number of blind listening tests posted on this forum is exactly zero, as it has been for many, many years. Even sans listening comps... no one is even discussing published specifications, probably because they don't know what they mean.

Personal bias and marketing hype is the only thing being discussed here. There are huge feature set differences between the 6-series, 7-series, and mixpre series; spending even a moment discussing "preamp quality" is a colossal waste of time.

Maybe I'm an outlier compared to most of this forum, but I am never recording amplified music; I'm doing purely acoustic / classical so it's not a colossal waste of time to me.  For a typical concert I'm recording, which is choirs in churches, sometimes piano or organ, etc, preamp quality does make a difference.  If it didn't I never would have bought an FP-24, nor would I have had my 70D modified, both of which yielded positive benefits in my recordings.  Having heard quite a few classical recordings made with 7-series recorders but never being able to afford one, the prospect of the new MixPre recorders having as good or better preamps is very attractive to me, but I'd like to know how they are achieving that at this price point. 

The published specs certainly are impressive (particularly the EIN), and that probably does deserve more discussion.  Again, that's part of my curiosity how they are managing to do this for the price.

Your point about the lack of blind tests is definitely valid.  And you're right that it probably wouldn't make much difference for amplified music, but I could care less about that.  I'd like to hear such a shootout in a controlled environment with a purely acoustic concert.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2017, 09:37:01 PM »
Duly noted. Unfortunately, you will probably never find the level of sophisticated discussion you're looking for on this forum. The published specifications for each device already tell virtually everything you need to know, yet the ability to reference them in meaningful discussion is like asking people to explain quantum mechanics. Seemingly, the only question ever asked is "how do they sound?" followed by a total absence of even casual comparison samples.

If we just look at a few simple specs (EIN, S/N Ratio, and THD), the answer is incredibly simple. Units like the 70d, M10, etc. perform around -120dBu EIN. This is already pretty good, however units include the SD 7xx series, 6xx series, Mixpre series, the Sony PCM-D100, or the Sonosax/Aeta recorders (just to name a few) are all going to be measurably better. Around -128dBu to -130dBu EIN, and quite frankly, it's never going to get any better than that. All of these units are world class recorders (even when marketed as mixers) and I would challenge anyone here prove even a small difference between something like the 7xx recorders and the "Kashmir" preamps. It's marketing hype, nothing more.

I probably sound grumpy and truth be told I am because how "how do they sound" is a stupid fucking question thrown around constantly on this forum. Feature such as form factor, battery life, redundancy, gain control, reliability, etc. are infinitely more important even when recording mosquito farts. Unless you're putting a transformer in the signal path, these units all "sound" the same (and sound really damn good). No one should be ditching a 7xx recorder for "Kashmir" preamps, especially when the feature set of the 7xx recorders is still significantly more robust.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #57 on: October 09, 2017, 06:14:55 AM »
Duly noted. Unfortunately, you will probably never find the level of sophisticated discussion you're looking for on this forum. The published specifications for each device already tell virtually everything you need to know, yet the ability to reference them in meaningful discussion is like asking people to explain quantum mechanics. Seemingly, the only question ever asked is "how do they sound?" followed by a total absence of even casual comparison samples.

If we just look at a few simple specs (EIN, S/N Ratio, and THD), the answer is incredibly simple. Units like the 70d, M10, etc. perform around -120dBu EIN. This is already pretty good, however units include the SD 7xx series, 6xx series, Mixpre series, the Sony PCM-D100, or the Sonosax/Aeta recorders (just to name a few) are all going to be measurably better. Around -128dBu to -130dBu EIN, and quite frankly, it's never going to get any better than that. All of these units are world class recorders (even when marketed as mixers) and I would challenge anyone here prove even a small difference between something like the 7xx recorders and the "Kashmir" preamps. It's marketing hype, nothing more.

I probably sound grumpy and truth be told I am because how "how do they sound" is a stupid fucking question thrown around constantly on this forum. Feature such as form factor, battery life, redundancy, gain control, reliability, etc. are infinitely more important even when recording mosquito farts. Unless you're putting a transformer in the signal path, these units all "sound" the same (and sound really damn good). No one should be ditching a 7xx recorder for "Kashmir" preamps, especially when the feature set of the 7xx recorders is still significantly more robust.

All good points.  Personally I dislike preamps (or mics) that color the sound in any significant way.  What I'm looking for is transparent with low noise, and all of those you mention probably have that.

I disagree with your "sophisticated discussion" comment, though.  There's quite a bit of sophisticated discussion I've enjoyed on this forum, and some of it way above my head.

You have to acknowledge that it's often not simple or practical to set up the environment for a proper ABX like what you're looking for (how many here own passive splitters?), nor do I suspect many users on this board have an Audio Precision unit to thoroughly measure any of this equipment.  I think it makes more sense to take the "professional reviewers" to task, as they do have access to such equipment and circumstances.  Mic shootouts are so much easier as long as your recorder / preamp has the channels to cover all of them and you're very careful about placement.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #58 on: October 09, 2017, 07:07:12 AM »
I think we have to look at who these things are really designed for.  MP10T may be aimed at different users than the MP6, especially since the T generates timecode and has 8 xlr inputs.  The MP6 seems very much focused on individual DSLR video recordists using DSLRS that can generate their own timecode to the point that SD has posted specific camera directions.  http://cdn.sounddevices.com/download/guides/MixPreSeries-PanasonicGH45.pdf  The MP6 is still at a more affordable price point than the 10T. 

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2017, 01:13:19 PM »

You have to acknowledge that it's often not simple or practical to set up the environment for a proper ABX like what you're looking for...

I didn't say proper, I said casual. As in, even a minimum level of effort put forth to help (or entertain) the community. There is no need for "professional reviewers" or access to expensive equipment. If one simply learns how to read and interpret the basic noise measurements, which are already done using Audio Precision equipment, it will be immediately obvious how a 70d vs. a MixPre Series vs. a 7xx Series might differ in sound. This published specifications already tell the complete story. Period.

We both know that no one here possesses the time, equipment, or knowledge to perform a "proper" comp, so why even bother to ask an anecdotal question about "sound" when it can't possibly be answered "properly?" I'd settle for the entertainment of a casual comp, but we don't even get that.

More importantly, anecdotes about the "sound" of a preamp and/or recorder aren't helpful, they're actually harmful. Asking how the Kashmir preamps compare to those in the 788T is nothing more than a tire kicking, window-shopping question; both units are already very near the theoretical limits for performance.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #60 on: October 09, 2017, 02:07:04 PM »
have a feeling I may be purchasing an mp6 with the forthcoming fire sale from people upgrading  :cheers: :guitarist: ;D
Sd 702 & 744 prices should be dropping also.
How does the mixpre pres compare to the old 702, 744 and 788s?
Paul or anyone who has had experience(s) with the 702, 744 and 788. How do these pres compare to the new mixpres? Seen others ask about this also but one has commented yet.

I think the 788 is the comparison most of us would be interested in, as those are SD's best preamps to this point.  From the horse's mouth:
http://www.sounddevices.com/tech-notes/788t-microphone-preamplifiers

they've had NINE YEARS of R&D and tech advances.  I doubt they would release an inferior product.
you also have to take anything a company or "testimonial" tells you with a grain of salt
Of course they are not going to say, these stink in comparison.
Imo unless you do your own listening or find people you trust those are a waste.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #61 on: October 09, 2017, 09:35:14 PM »

You have to acknowledge that it's often not simple or practical to set up the environment for a proper ABX like what you're looking for...

I didn't say proper, I said casual. As in, even a minimum level of effort put forth to help (or entertain) the community. There is no need for "professional reviewers" or access to expensive equipment. If one simply learns how to read and interpret the basic noise measurements, which are already done using Audio Precision equipment, it will be immediately obvious how a 70d vs. a MixPre Series vs. a 7xx Series might differ in sound. This published specifications already tell the complete story. Period.

We both know that no one here possesses the time, equipment, or knowledge to perform a "proper" comp, so why even bother to ask an anecdotal question about "sound" when it can't possibly be answered "properly?" I'd settle for the entertainment of a casual comp, but we don't even get that.

More importantly, anecdotes about the "sound" of a preamp and/or recorder aren't helpful, they're actually harmful. Asking how the Kashmir preamps compare to those in the 788T is nothing more than a tire kicking, window-shopping question; both units are already very near the theoretical limits for performance.

I get what you're saying that either way the performance is still probably very high, but I don't believe that specs always tell the whole story.

My call for comparison with the 788 is based upon SD previously saying that those were their finest preamps out of their entire line of 6- and 7- series, and later saying the new Kashmir pres are equal or better.  Yes, the specs look great, but as I said before it's how they can do it at such a low price while still being US made that interests me.  If we were comparing a 788 to similar Aeta or Zaxcom units, then it would be more or less tire-kicking as you say.

Specs can also be presented in a way to impress those who are less informed, and it's unfortunate that a no-BS company like SD has done this in a couple places with this new series.  See, for example, the so-called "32 bit precision" of the ADC (as if that mattered), or that they're featuring -130 dBV EIN in marketing statements because it looks more impressive than the equivalent -128 dBu in the way you'd typically see it expressed.

It's not very likely I'll ever get the comparison I'm interested in anyway, since no one who already owns a 788 is likely to buy a 10T because of the feature difference as you pointed out.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #62 on: October 10, 2017, 01:27:16 AM »

I get what you're saying that either way the performance is still probably very high, but I don't believe that specs always tell the whole story.


Exactly my point. This is why marketing departments exist. Believe whatever you want, but the specs do tell the entire story.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #63 on: October 10, 2017, 09:03:08 AM »
The "joy stick" for start and stop is a bit sketchy, unless there is a hold/lock feature.

SD's 6-series recorders use the joystick too. I own and use a 633 all the time and have never had an issue with it.

Sound Devices 552 uses the joystick as well for record/playback/etc, and yeah.... I find it to be *very* weird at first! But you get used to it eventually.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #64 on: October 10, 2017, 10:13:44 AM »
I was comparing apples to oranges with the V3 to MixPre10T size because i own a V3 and that was easy for me to visualize.

but i looked at dimensions again and it looks like the MixPre10T is the same size (a hair smaller) than the 744T but two inches deeper (battery pack and the extended rack rings).

so, it's basically the same size as the 744T but with FOUR times as many preamps.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #65 on: October 10, 2017, 03:58:22 PM »
Unlike specs or company hype my ears have never let me down. I trust em. Different flavors for different peeps. The euphonious distortion caused by transformers ain't for everyone I love it. Nothing to do with specs.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #66 on: October 10, 2017, 05:28:48 PM »
Duly noted. Unfortunately, you will probably never find the level of sophisticated discussion you're looking for on this forum. The published specifications for each device already tell virtually everything you need to know, yet the ability to reference them in meaningful discussion is like asking people to explain quantum mechanics. Seemingly, the only question ever asked is "how do they sound?" followed by a total absence of even casual comparison samples.

If we just look at a few simple specs (EIN, S/N Ratio, and THD), the answer is incredibly simple. Units like the 70d, M10, etc. perform around -120dBu EIN. This is already pretty good, however units include the SD 7xx series, 6xx series, Mixpre series, the Sony PCM-D100, or the Sonosax/Aeta recorders (just to name a few) are all going to be measurably better. Around -128dBu to -130dBu EIN, and quite frankly, it's never going to get any better than that. All of these units are world class recorders (even when marketed as mixers) and I would challenge anyone here prove even a small difference between something like the 7xx recorders and the "Kashmir" preamps. It's marketing hype, nothing more.

I probably sound grumpy and truth be told I am because how "how do they sound" is a stupid fucking question thrown around constantly on this forum. Feature such as form factor, battery life, redundancy, gain control, reliability, etc. are infinitely more important even when recording mosquito farts. Unless you're putting a transformer in the signal path, these units all "sound" the same (and sound really damn good). No one should be ditching a 7xx recorder for "Kashmir" preamps, especially when the feature set of the 7xx recorders is still significantly more robust.

I own a 722 and love it. But I'm lacking a really good solution for 4 channels (I have a Zoom H6 which is ok, and an old R4 that I just don't use because of the file transfer hassle from that unit to the computer). These new mix pre's look really tempting, especially considering the price, and a good opportunity for me to get into a higher quality 4+ channel device. I'm just wondering what the new versions lack in feature set compared to the 7xx series?  Thanks
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #67 on: October 10, 2017, 05:41:39 PM »
Mainly, smaller color LCD v. larger LED metering, having to buy a sled to use optional batteries v. L battery powering, having to buy something else v. what you already own.




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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #68 on: October 10, 2017, 06:51:47 PM »
Yes, the specs look great, but as I said before it's how they can do it at such a low price while still being US made that interests me.

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There are many reasons why there is a cost difference between the 702 and MixPre: the 702 is over 10-year old technology. Progress in component performance and DSP/FPGA, efficiencies in manufacturing and design, different code architecture, use of different materials and components, different I/O, different feature sets and more.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #69 on: October 10, 2017, 07:41:34 PM »

I own a 722 and love it. But I'm lacking a really good solution for 4 channels (I have a Zoom H6 which is ok, and an old R4 that I just don't use because of the file transfer hassle from that unit to the computer). These new mix pre's look really tempting, especially considering the price, and a good opportunity for me to get into a higher quality 4+ channel device. I'm just wondering what the new versions lack in feature set compared to the 7xx series?  Thanks

Great question and I hear you. If you're stuck on the 722/702T, well a big feature missing is the extra channels. Hard to argue with that. My statement was aimed more at 744T/788T users, but for someone with a 722 here's some of the 'robust' features I see missing on the MixPre series:

- Pre-roll recording buffer
- Dual-Media Recording
- Compact Flash Support (can be important due to SD Card compatibility issues)
- Support for Mono Wav, MP3, and FLAC recording (Only Poly Wav is supported)
- AES3 / SPDIF Digital Inputs and Outputs
- Balanced L/R Outputs (TA3) (absent on MixPre3/6, only available on Mixpre10T)
- Timecode / Wordclock generator (absent on MixPre3/6, only available on Mixpre10T)
- Hirose Power Connector (absent on MixPre3/6, only available on Mixpre10T)

For the casual taper, I wouldn't consider most of these missing features to be huge deal-breakers. Timecode / Wordclock is probably the biggest missing feature for the professional user, but 99% of the time is irrelevant for the average concert taper.

The lack of a Hirose connector seems to be annoying from the threads I've been reading in the Remote Power section and the only solution is to buy a pretty expensive sled adapter. It puts your $899 recorder well over $1000 and you're having to buy a 3rd party product. Not sure why Sound Devices didn't come out of the gate with their own adapter products.

For me, the lack of Digital I/O support is probably the biggest issue. This might be unimportant for a 722 owner, but as 744T user (and previously DR-680), one of the main reasons for having extra channels is to take a digital patch from another taper in the section. After running an 8-channel deck, I quickly found that my desire to run more than one set of stereo mics + take a board feed was usually pretty minimal, but I almost always want to grab a buddy's pull so I could do casual listening tests at home. I'm usually running Schoeps, so when a friend was running MiLabs or MBHO's, I wouldn't hesitate to grab a feed from their digital output if I had spare channels. However, my enthusiasm for taking a feed usually was tempered if I had to take an analog patch, which on the MixPre series is the only option as there are no digital inputs, even on the 10T.

I'm also incredibly unimpressed with Sound Devices ability to write to SD Cards in the year 2017. I'm sorry, but having to have an approved SD card list is bullshit and having to buy your SD cards directly from Sound Devices feels like outright fraud. There are countless recorders / mixers on the market, including the 7xx recorders, that rarely, if ever, have problems writing to removable storage. You don't see Sonosax, Nagra, or even Trashcam (for the most part) having this problem the way Sound Devices does. Compact Flash, while expensive and lower capacity, is more reliable, as is an internal hard drive. This is a big deal to me as I know that my trusty 744T is going to successfully capture the recording every time. The internal HDD (SDD in my case) is a feature I simply do not want to give up.

On a final note, I would also say that that user interface, include touchscreen and joystick, are a step in the wrong direction. They are more cost-efficient to build, but I cannot tell you the number of times I have seen issues with them in the Sound Devices Facebook group. Over the past 3-4 years (or however long the 6 series have been out), I have constantly seen busted/cracked LCD screens or software corrupted displays that are unreadable. With the 7xx series, the worst that would happen is a burnt LED. I don't need a color display, I don't like having to excessively access menus, and I like physical buttons.

So there you have it. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a MixPre6 at $899 simply for the extra channels, but if you already own a 744 or 788 I wouldn't bother.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #70 on: October 10, 2017, 07:52:30 PM »
It's not very likely I'll ever get the comparison I'm interested in anyway, since no one who already owns a 788 is likely to buy a 10T because of the feature difference as you pointed out.

You have a nice comparison chart here : https://www.gothamsound.com/sound-devices-mixpre-10t6-series-comparison-chart?utm_source=Gotham+Gazette&utm_campaign=fb46541d65-Inspired+Energy%2FF4%2FAmbient+Sales%2FKits%2FRebates&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_8cbb4c598a-fb46541d65-204834477

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #71 on: October 10, 2017, 09:21:19 PM »
Can I ask wtf anyone needs 10 inputs for doing what we do? I get four channels but ten? Hosting others mics?
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« Reply #72 on: October 10, 2017, 09:35:31 PM »
Can I ask wtf anyone needs 10 inputs for doing what we do? I get four channels but ten? Hosting others mics?

You're right, we don't. These units aren't even marketed to "us." They're designed for the needs of pro sound and film users and forums like JW Sound, which I would encourage anyone who hasn't to check out, are a better place to find discussion relevant to all features these units provide. These units can still be used by concert tapers, but typically only use the most basic recording features are leveraged.

The truth is, concert tapers have long since been forgotten by the major equipment manufactures. Even Grace Design has forgotten about us as the last field recording product they released was the Spacebar, which I think was about 10 years ago. We'd all love to see them produce a 4-channel V4 preamp/recorder designed for field use, but it's seemingly never going to happen.

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« Reply #73 on: October 11, 2017, 06:23:18 AM »
Yes, the specs look great, but as I said before it's how they can do it at such a low price while still being US made that interests me.

Quote from: Paul Isaacs
There are many reasons why there is a cost difference between the 702 and MixPre: the 702 is over 10-year old technology. Progress in component performance and DSP/FPGA, efficiencies in manufacturing and design, different code architecture, use of different materials and components, different I/O, different feature sets and more.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #74 on: October 11, 2017, 09:23:38 AM »
Can I ask wtf anyone needs 10 inputs for doing what we do? I get four channels but ten? Hosting others mics?

hosting other mics.  but i've been wanting to do multitrack direct outs from the soundboard for a while.  that way i can mix to my liking at home and not have to take the sometimes poor board main mix.  for a solo or duo with multiple instruments, 8 or 10 is just about perfect.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #75 on: October 11, 2017, 09:25:54 AM »
Can I ask wtf anyone needs 10 inputs for doing what we do? I get four channels but ten? Hosting others mics?

You're right, we don't. These units aren't even marketed to "us." They're designed for the needs of pro sound and film users and forums like JW Sound, which I would encourage anyone who hasn't to check out, are a better place to find discussion relevant to all features these units provide. These units can still be used by concert tapers, but typically only use the most basic recording features are leveraged.

The truth is, concert tapers have long since been forgotten by the major equipment manufactures. Even Grace Design has forgotten about us as the last field recording product they released was the Spacebar, which I think was about 10 years ago. We'd all love to see them produce a 4-channel V4 preamp/recorder designed for field use, but it's seemingly never going to happen.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #76 on: October 11, 2017, 10:19:52 AM »
I guess our numbers are way down, it just ain't like it used to be. Christ, there had to be thirty STANDS at XMas jam 2003 in the section, not even counting the fob crew. Just don't see that much anymore. Suppose all the live release should of every show and etree made a lot of peeps give up the trade. Those of us left try to make up for it by owning obscene amounts of gear me included.  :lol:
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #77 on: October 11, 2017, 03:25:10 PM »
I guess our numbers are way down, it just ain't like it used to be. Christ, there had to be thirty STANDS at XMas jam 2003 in the section, not even counting the fob crew. Just don't see that much anymore. Suppose all the live release should of every show and etree made a lot of peeps give up the trade. Those of us left try to make up for it by owning obscene amounts of gear me included.  :lol:

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #78 on: October 12, 2017, 05:24:59 AM »
Can I ask wtf anyone needs 10 inputs for doing what we do? I get four channels but ten? Hosting others mics?

Reality TV shows. They can quickly get to crazy high track counts!

Heck, even myself when I was doing an ultra low budget feature film was often maxing out my F4 and recording 6 tracks at once, and wishing I could run just one or two more wireless into it....

And if I was not doing this solo, but with a team in my sound department (wouldn't a 3 man sound crew be the dream! ahh), then you could easily throw on another five tracks to that.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #79 on: October 12, 2017, 02:20:23 PM »

I own a 722 and love it. But I'm lacking a really good solution for 4 channels (I have a Zoom H6 which is ok, and an old R4 that I just don't use because of the file transfer hassle from that unit to the computer). These new mix pre's look really tempting, especially considering the price, and a good opportunity for me to get into a higher quality 4+ channel device. I'm just wondering what the new versions lack in feature set compared to the 7xx series?  Thanks

Great question and I hear you. If you're stuck on the 722/702T, well a big feature missing is the extra channels. Hard to argue with that. My statement was aimed more at 744T/788T users, but for someone with a 722 here's some of the 'robust' features I see missing on the MixPre series:

- Pre-roll recording buffer
- Dual-Media Recording
- Compact Flash Support (can be important due to SD Card compatibility issues)
- Support for Mono Wav, MP3, and FLAC recording (Only Poly Wav is supported)
- AES3 / SPDIF Digital Inputs and Outputs
- Balanced L/R Outputs (TA3) (absent on MixPre3/6, only available on Mixpre10T)
- Timecode / Wordclock generator (absent on MixPre3/6, only available on Mixpre10T)
- Hirose Power Connector (absent on MixPre3/6, only available on Mixpre10T)

For the casual taper, I wouldn't consider most of these missing features to be huge deal-breakers. Timecode / Wordclock is probably the biggest missing feature for the professional user, but 99% of the time is irrelevant for the average concert taper.

The lack of a Hirose connector seems to be annoying from the threads I've been reading in the Remote Power section and the only solution is to buy a pretty expensive sled adapter. It puts your $899 recorder well over $1000 and you're having to buy a 3rd party product. Not sure why Sound Devices didn't come out of the gate with their own adapter products.

For me, the lack of Digital I/O support is probably the biggest issue. This might be unimportant for a 722 owner, but as 744T user (and previously DR-680), one of the main reasons for having extra channels is to take a digital patch from another taper in the section. After running an 8-channel deck, I quickly found that my desire to run more than one set of stereo mics + take a board feed was usually pretty minimal, but I almost always want to grab a buddy's pull so I could do casual listening tests at home. I'm usually running Schoeps, so when a friend was running MiLabs or MBHO's, I wouldn't hesitate to grab a feed from their digital output if I had spare channels. However, my enthusiasm for taking a feed usually was tempered if I had to take an analog patch, which on the MixPre series is the only option as there are no digital inputs, even on the 10T.

I'm also incredibly unimpressed with Sound Devices ability to write to SD Cards in the year 2017. I'm sorry, but having to have an approved SD card list is bullshit and having to buy your SD cards directly from Sound Devices feels like outright fraud. There are countless recorders / mixers on the market, including the 7xx recorders, that rarely, if ever, have problems writing to removable storage. You don't see Sonosax, Nagra, or even Trashcam (for the most part) having this problem the way Sound Devices does. Compact Flash, while expensive and lower capacity, is more reliable, as is an internal hard drive. This is a big deal to me as I know that my trusty 744T is going to successfully capture the recording every time. The internal HDD (SDD in my case) is a feature I simply do not want to give up.

On a final note, I would also say that that user interface, include touchscreen and joystick, are a step in the wrong direction. They are more cost-efficient to build, but I cannot tell you the number of times I have seen issues with them in the Sound Devices Facebook group. Over the past 3-4 years (or however long the 6 series have been out), I have constantly seen busted/cracked LCD screens or software corrupted displays that are unreadable. With the 7xx series, the worst that would happen is a burnt LED. I don't need a color display, I don't like having to excessively access menus, and I like physical buttons.

So there you have it. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a MixPre6 at $899 simply for the extra channels, but if you already own a 744 or 788 I wouldn't bother.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #80 on: October 12, 2017, 02:22:39 PM »
Can I ask wtf anyone needs 10 inputs for doing what we do? I get four channels but ten? Hosting others mics?

hosting other mics.  but i've been wanting to do multitrack direct outs from the soundboard for a while.  that way i can mix to my liking at home and not have to take the sometimes poor board main mix.  for a solo or duo with multiple instruments, 8 or 10 is just about perfect.

Not all of us do exactly the same thing. Not often, but sometimes I will run onstage mics + audience mics + stereo mix + a couple of discreet SBD channels, for example. I've also linked 2 F8s in order to do a 16-track multitrack.  90% of the time, though, yeah, you're right, it's not something "we" need. It can be amusing to run a whole bunch of different pairs from the same spot, but that's not really useful other than comparing types of mics.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #81 on: October 12, 2017, 02:32:41 PM »
It can be amusing to run a whole bunch of different pairs from the same spot, but that's not really useful other than comparing types of mics.
I totally agree, and for whatever reason I love to do this which is just an over complication of what could be a very simple process. Go figure...  ;D ::) 8)
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #82 on: October 12, 2017, 03:20:01 PM »
You're just a glutton for punishment   :bigsmile: 

And don't stop.  I love your variety of recordings! 

It can be amusing to run a whole bunch of different pairs from the same spot, but that's not really useful other than comparing types of mics.
I totally agree, and for whatever reason I love to do this which is just an over complication of what could be a very  and is simple process. Go figure...  ;D ::) 8)
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #83 on: October 12, 2017, 04:09:44 PM »
You're just a glutton for punishment   :bigsmile: 

And don't stop.  I love your variety of recordings! 

It can be amusing to run a whole bunch of different pairs from the same spot, but that's not really useful other than comparing types of mics.
I totally agree, and for whatever reason I love to do this which is just an over complication of what could be a very  and is simple process. Go figure...  ;D ::) 8)

Exactly. No shame in it--just because it isn't "necessary" doesn't make it bad!
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #84 on: October 12, 2017, 07:00:50 PM »

I own a 722 and love it. But I'm lacking a really good solution for 4 channels (I have a Zoom H6 which is ok, and an old R4 that I just don't use because of the file transfer hassle from that unit to the computer). These new mix pre's look really tempting, especially considering the price, and a good opportunity for me to get into a higher quality 4+ channel device. I'm just wondering what the new versions lack in feature set compared to the 7xx series?  Thanks

Great question and I hear you. If you're stuck on the 722/702T, well a big feature missing is the extra channels. Hard to argue with that. My statement was aimed more at 744T/788T users, but for someone with a 722 here's some of the 'robust' features I see missing on the MixPre series:

- Pre-roll recording buffer
- Dual-Media Recording
- Compact Flash Support (can be important due to SD Card compatibility issues)
- Support for Mono Wav, MP3, and FLAC recording (Only Poly Wav is supported)[/b]
- AES3 / SPDIF Digital Inputs and Outputs
- Balanced L/R Outputs (TA3) (absent on MixPre3/6, only available on Mixpre10T)
- Timecode / Wordclock generator (absent on MixPre3/6, only available on Mixpre10T)
- Hirose Power Connector (absent on MixPre3/6, only available on Mixpre10T)

Good summary.  Pre-roll and iso mono files could (and should) be addressed through future firmware updates.  I wonder if they could implement true dual-media recording through the USB-A port to a flash drive, instead of the periodic chunk writing the 10T has now.

From the above list, the most glaring hardware omissions to me are the lack of digital I/O (including AES42 for digital mics) and balanced outputs.  Having both of these onboard would make these units more true successors to the MixPre, 302, and MixPre-D field mixers.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #85 on: October 12, 2017, 09:20:29 PM »

I own a 722 and love it. But I'm lacking a really good solution for 4 channels (I have a Zoom H6 which is ok, and an old R4 that I just don't use because of the file transfer hassle from that unit to the computer). These new mix pre's look really tempting, especially considering the price, and a good opportunity for me to get into a higher quality 4+ channel device. I'm just wondering what the new versions lack in feature set compared to the 7xx series?  Thanks

Great question and I hear you. If you're stuck on the 722/702T, well a big feature missing is the extra channels. Hard to argue with that. My statement was aimed more at 744T/788T users, but for someone with a 722 here's some of the 'robust' features I see missing on the MixPre series:

- Pre-roll recording buffer
- Dual-Media Recording
- Compact Flash Support (can be important due to SD Card compatibility issues)
- Support for Mono Wav, MP3, and FLAC recording (Only Poly Wav is supported)[/b]
- AES3 / SPDIF Digital Inputs and Outputs
- Balanced L/R Outputs (TA3) (absent on MixPre3/6, only available on Mixpre10T)
- Timecode / Wordclock generator (absent on MixPre3/6, only available on Mixpre10T)
- Hirose Power Connector (absent on MixPre3/6, only available on Mixpre10T)

Good summary.  Pre-roll and iso mono files could (and should) be addressed through future firmware updates.  I wonder if they could implement true dual-media recording through the USB-A port to a flash drive, instead of the periodic chunk writing the 10T has now.

From the above list, the most glaring hardware omissions to me are the lack of digital I/O (including AES42 for digital mics) and balanced outputs.  Having both of these onboard would make these units more true successors to the MixPre, 302, and MixPre-D field mixers.

You can add lack of "hold" capability to the list of things missing from the mixpre. I've stealthed with the mp3 about a dozen times and it hasn't been a problem so far but it is another thing I always have in the back of my mind.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #86 on: October 12, 2017, 11:55:23 PM »
...and balanced outputs...

The mixpre 10T have balanced output on ta-3

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #87 on: October 13, 2017, 06:25:55 AM »
...and balanced outputs...

The mixpre 10T have balanced output on ta-3

I know, I meant on the 3/6.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #88 on: October 15, 2017, 12:55:46 AM »
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #89 on: October 25, 2017, 02:11:23 PM »
Posted today as now shipping...
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #90 on: October 26, 2017, 06:45:26 AM »
Posted today as now shipping...

What store is shipping it?

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« Reply #91 on: October 26, 2017, 06:46:56 AM »
Posted today as now shipping...

What store is shipping it?

Each retailer gets a certain amount from the first batch.
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« Reply #92 on: October 26, 2017, 04:58:58 PM »
Just got my tracking info from Gotham.  Shipped today!
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #93 on: October 26, 2017, 05:07:12 PM »
Trew (Nashville) got an allotment of 3 units, which are all spoken for by preorders. Sweetwater (Ft. Wayne, IN) expecting their first units to arrive tomorrow...
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« Reply #94 on: October 26, 2017, 06:13:09 PM »
It looks like Full Compass has em in stock....  straight from the motherland!
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« Reply #95 on: October 26, 2017, 06:13:37 PM »
Just got my tracking info from Gotham.  Shipped today!

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« Reply #96 on: October 27, 2017, 12:47:47 AM »
Gotham Sound does the first ever unboxing video of the Sound Devices MixPre-10T:

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« Reply #97 on: October 27, 2017, 03:01:48 PM »
Trew (Nashville) got an allotment of 3 units, which are all spoken for by preorders. Sweetwater (Ft. Wayne, IN) expecting their first units to arrive tomorrow...

They have an extra one now. I cancelled my order when they called this morning.
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« Reply #98 on: October 27, 2017, 07:18:40 PM »
I suspect they have a lengthy waiting list.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #99 on: October 27, 2017, 09:42:03 PM »
Great opportunity to grow your list of recorders.   ;D

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #100 on: October 27, 2017, 09:58:25 PM »
I suspect they have a lengthy waiting list.

yeah, i'm sure. 

i'm still going to get one.  i just want to sit back a month or two and see what everyone does with battery options and settings and whatnot.  i'm not in a hurry.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #101 on: October 28, 2017, 10:10:53 AM »
Great opportunity to grow your list of recorders.   ;D

Uh huh, I think I'm good (for now).  Recently sprung for a used 788T.  But, the frenzy over the new SD recorders is certainly entertaining.  Waiting to see how these work out for folks in the real world.  It is nice that manufacturers like SD continue to produce new products like this, even if our kind of audio recording isn't really their main market.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #102 on: October 28, 2017, 01:46:00 PM »
The angle/direction of the Hirose connector seems like a pain.  That's kind of my only quibble with the recorder so far.  It's great that they added it, but...

Do we think a right-angle Hirose connector will allow the recorder to rest on the battery sled without putting any pressure on the Hirose?

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #103 on: October 28, 2017, 02:38:17 PM »
The angle/direction of the Hirose connector seems like a pain.  That's kind of my only quibble with the recorder so far.  It's great that they added ist, but...

Do we think a right-angle Hirose connector will allow the recorder to rest on the battery sled without putting any pressure on the Hirose?

I will report back on this Monday when I have the unit in hand
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #104 on: October 28, 2017, 02:46:53 PM »
The angle/direction of the Hirose connector seems like a pain.  That's kind of my only quibble with the recorder so far.  It's great that they added ist, but...

Do we think a right-angle Hirose connector will allow the recorder to rest on the battery sled without putting any pressure on the Hirose?

I will report back on this Monday when I have the unit in hand

this is what i'm most curious about as well.  if not... i'm going to have to rig up some stilts or something....
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #105 on: October 28, 2017, 03:28:37 PM »
If anyone is buying in the first round but found none in stock try Dale Pro Audio.  I found my 6 there weeks after the first drop.  No affiliation, just a tip for the family.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #106 on: October 29, 2017, 10:24:48 PM »
If anyone is buying in the first round but found none in stock try Dale Pro Audio.  I found my 6 there weeks after the first drop.  No affiliation, just a tip for the family.

I have no skin in this game, as I'm happy with running 2 channels....  but I'll say the same thing about Full Compass.
I've said it before, and I'll probably say it again...  but the Full Compass website says that they have the 10T in stock.
I've bought SD gear from Full Compass before and they are great to deal with IMO. 
And they are a Wisconsin company...  as is Sound Devices.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #107 on: October 30, 2017, 11:00:41 AM »
If anyone is buying the 10 and selling their 6, let me know. thanks
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #108 on: October 30, 2017, 05:11:37 PM »
My Halloween treat (from Sweetwater) just arrived!

Size is surprisingly small. It fits snuggly inside my Sachtler (fka: Petrol) #SN607 lightweight audio bag (which is their smallest model).

edit: Hirose connector positioning (for vertical field bag use) is dumbfounding, but with some re-positioning of the provided velcro inserts in my field bag, stress can be relieved off the connector...
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #109 on: October 30, 2017, 07:21:29 PM »
Hirose positioning is very bothersome... 

feel like the only solution is some stilts (like the v3 stilts out there) with cutouts for cables and instead of screwing them in, all you can do is zip tie them to the things on the sides.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #110 on: October 30, 2017, 07:25:56 PM »
Hirose positioning is very bothersome... 

 

Someone did a video about the 10-T (Gotham maybe?) and they had something plugged into the Hirose but chose to stand the (lopsided) device up while talking about it and all I  could think was that exact same thing - kind of a poor choice for where to locate the Hirose connector, or at least the wrong angle.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #111 on: October 30, 2017, 09:39:15 PM »
Hirose positioning is very bothersome... 

 

Someone did a video about the 10-T (Gotham maybe?) and they had something plugged into the Hirose but chose to stand the (lopsided) device up while talking about it and all I  could think was that exact same thing - kind of a poor choice for where to locate the Hirose connector, or at least the wrong angle.

yeah.  that same video/observation was enough for me to cancel my order until someone figures out a work around.

like i said, the only thing i can see at this point is fabricating some stilts/rack solution to lift it off the bottom of the bag.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #112 on: October 31, 2017, 05:22:09 AM »
I have a petrol bag with velcro straps that suspend the unit so the hirose is no issue with me.  The right angle hirose sticks out a little less but still prevents it from laying flush.

I have to say I am very pleased with the unit now that I have it in hand.  Having been a mixpre6 user already, the learning curb is null :)
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #113 on: October 31, 2017, 07:50:13 AM »
I'd like to hear your thoughts on the two mixpres since you've used both of the, especially what made you upgrade to the 10t?

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #114 on: October 31, 2017, 08:54:55 AM »
I'd like to hear your thoughts on the two mixpres since you've used both of the, especially what made you upgrade to the 10t?

Haven’t used the 10 yet beside playing with it this morning.

The purchase was not an upgrade, it was an addition to my arsenal.  Different gear for different purposes.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #115 on: October 31, 2017, 01:03:02 PM »
I have a petrol bag with velcro straps that suspend the unit so the hirose is no issue with me.  The right angle hirose sticks out a little less but still prevents it from laying flush.

I have to say I am very pleased with the unit now that I have it in hand.  Having been a mixpre6 user already, the learning curb is null :)

What model of Petrol bag are you using for the 10T?  Congrats on the acquisition!!

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #116 on: October 31, 2017, 01:16:27 PM »
I have a petrol bag with velcro straps that suspend the unit so the hirose is no issue with me.  The right angle hirose sticks out a little less but still prevents it from laying flush.

I have to say I am very pleased with the unit now that I have it in hand.  Having been a mixpre6 user already, the learning curb is null :)

What model of Petrol bag are you using for the 10T?  Congrats on the acquisition!!

 :cheers:

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #117 on: October 31, 2017, 05:17:44 PM »
I'd like to hear your thoughts on the two mixpres since you've used both of the, especially what made you upgrade to the 10t?

Haven’t used the 10 yet beside playing with it this morning.

The purchase was not an upgrade, it was an addition to my arsenal.  Different gear for different purposes.

have you had a chance to do any battery tests?  i'm trying to find the right battery for this thing too.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #118 on: October 31, 2017, 05:20:29 PM »
I'd like to hear your thoughts on the two mixpres since you've used both of the, especially what made you upgrade to the 10t?

Haven’t used the 10 yet beside playing with it this morning.

The purchase was not an upgrade, it was an addition to my arsenal.  Different gear for different purposes.

have you had a chance to do any battery tests?  i'm trying to find the right battery for this thing too.

No, I’ve been at work all day.  I will not do any tests, plan to run off tekkeons or AC when available.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #119 on: November 01, 2017, 06:00:14 AM »
Getting the bag ready for the maiden voyage tonight!  Charlie Hunter here in Portsmouth, NH.  6 channels on-stage + SBD.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #120 on: November 01, 2017, 07:26:40 PM »
^ Please post your recording! I am a long time fan (since my Berkeley years in the early 90's) and would love to hear it...

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #121 on: November 04, 2017, 09:06:33 AM »
^ Please post your recording! I am a long time fan (since my Berkeley years in the early 90's) and would love to hear it...

Here you go!

https://archive.org/details/ch2017-11-01.ar51.c426b.sbd.flac/ch2017-11-01.ar51.c426b.sbd.d1t03.flac
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #122 on: November 05, 2017, 09:23:04 AM »
^ Please post your recording! I am a long time fan (since my Berkeley years in the early 90's) and would love to hear it...

Here you go!

https://archive.org/details/ch2017-11-01.ar51.c426b.sbd.flac/ch2017-11-01.ar51.c426b.sbd.d1t03.flac

Thanks Ted!  Sounds great!!

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #123 on: November 06, 2017, 06:38:44 AM »
Here you go!

Thanks!  Sounds awesome!  Kind of reminds me that I have a couple of uncirculated shows sitting on a hard drive somewhere...

Did you end up using the Tekkeons to power the 10T? 

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #124 on: November 06, 2017, 06:45:43 AM »
Here you go!

Thanks!  Sounds awesome!  Kind of reminds me that I have a couple of uncirculated shows sitting on a hard drive somewhere...

Did you end up using the Tekkeons to power the 10T?

No, I used AC power since I was running my AR-51’s with the pattern boxes which need AC power.
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Recs: Sound Devices MixPre-10T / Sound Devices MixPre-6 / Zoom F8 / Edirol R-44 / Tascam DR-680 / Sony PCM-M10

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #125 on: November 15, 2017, 05:53:14 PM »
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #126 on: November 29, 2017, 11:20:33 AM »
Firmware v. 1.52 now out:

https://www.sounddevices.com/support/downloads/mixpres-firmware


Changes introduced in 1.52 include:

Fixed

    Rare issue where input level would momentarily change
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #127 on: November 29, 2017, 11:45:52 AM »
Firmware v. 1.52 now out:

https://www.sounddevices.com/support/downloads/mixpres-firmware


Changes introduced in 1.52 include:

Fixed

    Rare issue where input level would momentarily change

This is why I like giving SD my money. All gear will have problems. SD, unlike many other companies, has a track record of solving these problems.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #128 on: November 29, 2017, 12:46:35 PM »
Checking in.  Is this the Mixpre-6 early adopter's remorse thread?   :-*

2 new features:

1) Hirose power in!
2) Backup recording to a USB drive!  Can this be added via firmware updates to the 3/6?

Background copy to USB thumbdrive only on the MixPre-10T, not the -3 or -6.

Yes, but why? Seems like that would be a simple firmware update for the Mixpre6 and Mixpre3! I'd LOVE to be able to mirror the SD card with a tiny USB A thumb drive!

Thanks for any info you can give me on that Paul ;)
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-10T
« Reply #129 on: November 30, 2017, 10:00:02 AM »
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Background copy to USB thumbdrive only on the MixPre-10T, not the -3 or -6.

Yes, but why? Seems like that would be a simple firmware update for the Mixpre6 and Mixpre3! I'd LOVE to be able to mirror the SD card with a tiny USB A thumb drive!

Thanks for any info you can give me on that Paul ;)

The MixPre-10T has additional internal hardware to support mirroring to USB Thumbdrives.

Paul

 

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