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How A Shotgun Mic Works
« on: October 13, 2017, 01:16:50 PM »
I was doing some research on Schoeps shotguns and came across this page. It has some interesting info that some may find useful. Scroll down and check out the pics in the comments section.

https://randycoppinger.com/2012/04/05/how-a-shotgun-mic-works/

I've never seen an AKG C747 Shotgun mic before. Anyone ever seen one?

https://www.akg.com/Microphones/Shotgun%20Microphones/C747V11.html

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Re: How A Shotgun Mic Works
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2017, 01:25:46 PM »
That's pretty interesting. Thanks!
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Re: How A Shotgun Mic Works
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2017, 02:02:35 PM »
Those c747's look pretty interesting. I just started messing with the ck-8's and have been enjoying the results with shotguns (short in this case) more than I expected. More lows than I had initially imagined I'd get out of them.
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Re: How A Shotgun Mic Works
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2017, 02:05:26 PM »
Those c747's look pretty interesting. I just started messing with the ck-8's and have been enjoying the results with shotguns (short in this case) more than I expected. More lows than I had initially imagined I'd get out of them.

Just picked up a pair of 460/ck8 short shots and had the same findings as you.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=595408
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Re: How A Shotgun Mic Works
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2017, 04:09:50 PM »
Those c747's look pretty interesting. I just started messing with the ck-8's and have been enjoying the results with shotguns (short in this case) more than I expected. More lows than I had initially imagined I'd get out of them.

Just picked up a pair of 460/ck8 short shots and had the same findings as you.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=595408

we have had the ck8's for years and would agree. I think probably one of the best shotguns you can have in your kit.

we run them with the knuckles on the bodies generally which helps keep the foot print a little smaller.
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Re: How A Shotgun Mic Works
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2017, 04:15:01 PM »
Those c747's look pretty interesting. I just started messing with the ck-8's and have been enjoying the results with shotguns (short in this case) more than I expected. More lows than I had initially imagined I'd get out of them.

Just picked up a pair of 460/ck8 short shots and had the same findings as you.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=595408

we have had the ck8's for years and would agree. I think probably one of the best shotguns you can have in your kit.

we run them with the knuckles on the bodies generally which helps keep the foot print a little smaller.

I'm running them for Phish NYE.
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Re: How A Shotgun Mic Works
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2017, 04:31:24 PM »
Those c747's look pretty interesting. I just started messing with the ck-8's and have been enjoying the results with shotguns (short in this case) more than I expected. More lows than I had initially imagined I'd get out of them.

Just picked up a pair of 460/ck8 short shots and had the same findings as you.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=595408

we have had the ck8's for years and would agree. I think probably one of the best shotguns you can have in your kit.

we run them with the knuckles on the bodies generally which helps keep the foot print a little smaller.

I'm running them for Phish NYE.

Interesting. As a standalone pair or part of an array ?
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Re: How A Shotgun Mic Works
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2017, 04:54:12 PM »
The original 'gun' mic was designed by Harry Olsen for use on the then new 'talkie' films (developed to be able pull the microphone back out of the frame) looked more like a classic sci-fi raygun than a shotgun.  It used multiple tubes of varying length arranged in a spiral cluster in front of the microphone element.  The later development of using a single slotted or otherwise vented interference tube achieved the same result using a single tube- simpler, more compact, lighter, lest costly- and that was the end of the multiple tube method

Although I've come across them in the past, I can't locate a photo of the original version, built by RCA I assume, as Olsen worked for them and developed the original RCA ribbon mics. I did find a photo of this DIY version which is similar-





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Re: How A Shotgun Mic Works
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2017, 04:59:35 PM »
Check out the EV 643, largest interference tube mic ever-

The longer the tube the lower the pattern control. This ~7' long interference tube supposedly maintained a controlled shotgun lobe pattern down to ~700Hz.
Imagine a pair of these in the section!


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Re: How A Shotgun Mic Works
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2017, 05:24:23 PM »
Those c747's look pretty interesting. I just started messing with the ck-8's and have been enjoying the results with shotguns (short in this case) more than I expected. More lows than I had initially imagined I'd get out of them.

Just picked up a pair of 460/ck8 short shots and had the same findings as you.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=595408

we have had the ck8's for years and would agree. I think probably one of the best shotguns you can have in your kit.

we run them with the knuckles on the bodies generally which helps keep the foot print a little smaller.

I'm running them for Phish NYE.

Interesting. As a standalone pair or part of an array ?

probably stand alone. I'm very happy with how they sound. I think they'll be clearer than the MK4's. Plus this time I'm bringing my V2.
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Re: How A Shotgun Mic Works
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2017, 05:55:17 PM »
Cool article thanks for posting. Im definitely going to be running my guns more often really like Mule pull with the 480/ck69 and the DJ Williams set from Adams ave came out grea with the 460/ck8 combo really impressd with both pulls
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Re: How A Shotgun Mic Works
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2017, 05:31:35 PM »
Found this:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-shotgun-microphone-How-do-they-work

I guess there’s a bunch of different sites with really cool info. Makes sense just never thought about it
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Re: How A Shotgun Mic Works
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2017, 09:57:04 PM »
Those c747's look pretty interesting. I just started messing with the ck-8's and have been enjoying the results with shotguns (short in this case) more than I expected. More lows than I had initially imagined I'd get out of them.

Just picked up a pair of 460/ck8 short shots and had the same findings as you.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=595408

we have had the ck8's for years and would agree. I think probably one of the best shotguns you can have in your kit.

we run them with the knuckles on the bodies generally which helps keep the foot print a little smaller.

I'm running them for Phish NYE.

Charlie, if you want me to run the mk4> cmc6 rig for you, I'll have two extra channels on my Mixpre6....
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Re: How A Shotgun Mic Works
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2017, 12:54:08 AM »
Those c747's look pretty interesting. I just started messing with the ck-8's and have been enjoying the results with shotguns (short in this case) more than I expected. More lows than I had initially imagined I'd get out of them.

Just picked up a pair of 460/ck8 short shots and had the same findings as you.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=595408

we have had the ck8's for years and would agree. I think probably one of the best shotguns you can have in your kit.

we run them with the knuckles on the bodies generally which helps keep the foot print a little smaller.

I'm running them for Phish NYE.

Charlie, if you want me to run the mk4> cmc6 rig for you, I'll have two extra channels on my Mixpre6....

Done! I have two free channels, just don't wanna deal with running 4 mics.
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Re: How A Shotgun Mic Works
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2017, 11:34:14 AM »
It's the same principle that differentiates directional mics from omnis in general.
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