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jadedphan:
Hey now,

So, I'm replacing some beat schoeps windscreens, and am not quite sure why the b5d windscreens are so much more expensive.  Can someone please explain to me the extra features they have other the standard solid schoeps solid foam pop screen.  Is the b5d just better protection from wind?

Thanks in advance,
-bry

jcable77:
Hey man. Theres these that are knock offs, theres a thread about it somewhere.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-Pop-Filter-Foam-Windscreen-for-SCHOEPS-CCM4UG-Broadcast-TV-Conference-Mic/222536419795?hash=item33d03449d3:g:X9EAAOSwmfhX7iNB
These are just foam and the bd5 had a plastic membrane on the inside of the foam that makes them more rigid/resistant to wind. Thats just from what i gather from the thread a lil while ago. Those knock offs are ok inside but dont do much in the way of any breeze. I have a couple and like someone said in the other thread, good enough to keep caps in a bag safe.

DSatz:
First, let me point out that the B 5 D was designed to solve a very specific problem, and it is not necessarily the ideal solution to other problems. The problem was a scheduled outdoor concert by "The Three Tenors" that Decca wanted to record live, then release as a video and a CD. So they needed a modest amount of general windscreening for the mikes (the performers were all under a canopy roof), but very effective pop screening. Plus the screens needed to be small enough not to block the cameras' or the audience's view of the singers' faces.

The B 5 D has a soft plastic "seat" that the capsule slides into; in front of that there's an air chamber within the foam. The still air within this chamber gives much better suppression of popping sounds (and other breath noise) than an equivalent amount of foam would do, and doesn't interfere with the pattern or frequency response of the capsule.

I wouldn't assume that the B 5 D was an ideal choice for any application other than the one it was designed for. It is a type of "close-talking guard" (B = "Bespechungsschutz") designed to resist air blasts from one direction only; it is not a windscreen; Schoeps' windscreens have part names that start with W (= "Windschutz").

--best regards

P.S.: In the photo, the capsules are mounted on thin active extension tubes. These work the same way as Colette active extension cables, except that they're mechanically rigid overall, with an angle adjustment at the capsule end. The microphone amplifier screws on to the other end of the tube, and the whole capsule+tube+amplifier assembly is (in this application) coupled to a vertical rod that extends from a circular, flat-bottomed floor stand. A foam pad underneath the base of the stand isolates it from vibrations in the stage floor.

(I'm a little surprised that no one else here seems to use these extension tubes for live recording. There's even a stereo version that's designed for M/S recording.)

goodcooker:

--- Quote from: DSatz on September 21, 2018, 05:36:58 PM ---I'm a little surprised that no one else here seems to use these extension tubes for live recording.

--- End quote ---

Schoeps accessories are ridiculously expensive. That's why our little corner of the world has a vendor who sells compatible active cables and preamps that cost a fraction of the name brand stuff. 

DSatz:
good, I have to acknowledge the reality of what you're saying, if you're talking primarily about the consumer market. Not as much if you're a professional, though. Those admittedly high prices are what enable the products to be as good-sounding and reliable as they are, and a dealer/service/support network that's there when needed, all of which is necessary if professionals are going to base their livelihoods on using the equipment, especially in situations where there can be no "do-overs".

Over the decades that I've been recording concerts, the price of the best-quality microphones has generally come down quite a bit in "constant dollars" (i.e. prices with inflation factored in). Depending on the factor you decide to use, they might be anywhere from 30 to 50% less costly than when I started out in the 70s. Major accessories designed and built by the microphone manufacturers themselves, as opposed to the third-party items that they also sell (e.g. Koenig & Meyer stands; Rycote windscreens and shock mounts), have always been strikingly expensive but have generally come down in price, too.

Which may only show how very, very expensive they used to be, I dunno. But in any case I certainly didn't mean to put anyone down for being honest people who have to give up other things in order to afford this hobby. I just meant, since I do see some people spending much more than I do on certain kinds of items (e.g. I use fancy microphones but not fancy recorders), I think there are people who might be interested in trying extension tubes, is all. Or they might at least like to fantasize about them.

--best regards

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