Topic: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?

[stevetoney]

At one point in my ts.com 'career' stealth discussion bothered me.  It doesn't anymore.  There are a few that continue to carry the banner. 

Not trying to change anyone's mind here, but just curious where the general ts.com population stands on the subject nowadays.

[Wiggler]

The cat was out of the bag long ago. In five minutes anyone with google can find all they need to know.

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The cat was out of the bag long ago. In five minutes anyone with google can find all they need to know.

this. Anyone who is mildly creative and goal oriented can figure it out on their own.

Now, I don't see much need in making it easier to find that info, but I won't go out of my way to scrub it out. Really, the disguise element is the only remaining question that info is sparse on.

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

The cat was out of the bag long ago. In five minutes anyone with google can find all they need to know.

I think having a separate, and yet open, discussion forum would be useful in a couple of ways:  1. educate new tapers, 2. make a distinction b/w "true"  (King Crimson) and lo-pro  (Radiohead).  The first point is obvious.  The second point, we could encourage conversation geared towards bands that don't mind being taped, but don't have an open policy (again Radiohead)... 

YMMV...

Terry

[acidjack]

I voted for "I'd prefer it not be.."

I don't stealth much and I agree that the "cat is out of the bag" / "if you're not an idiot you can probably figure it out". BUT, I think there are valid reasons to keep it discrete and mostly over PM:

1. There are hardcore stealthers out there whose methods are a lot more advanced than the normal stuff we talk about doing (see, e.g., the crazy thread about the dude with the custom wig...).  I'd hate to see their techniques discussed in any detail. Also, stuff like the "brand of hat" while maybe out of the bag and all, certainly should be repeated less often than it is.

2. People who record openly and with permission want to keep a clear distinction between the two types of taping.  Having lots of open stealth discussion might wrongly give the impression that everyone here condones that activity or that that is all "taping" is about, which it isn't.  I personally have no problem with stealthing as long as it's non-commercial and there is at least some valid reason to do it (artists' lame management, venue rule, etc.).  But others feel more strongly about it, and I respect that.

[achalsey]

I have no hand in the race, don't stealth and am new to the board so not sure what the old guard thinks of my opinion, but I will just say that when I googled "stealth recording," "stealth recording techniques," "bootleg recording," "bootleg recording techniques," TS didn't get any hits on my front page, even though google filters towards individual's search preferences and I'm on TS a lot.  Seems like venues/security would have to know TS prior and browse it purposefully than just stumbling on it through a google search.

That said, and since I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other, I'm for majority opinion.  Keep it active but on the down low.

[capnhook]

Seems like venues/security would have to know TS prior and browse it purposefully than just stumbling on it through a google search.

Them dudes only have to find ts.com once........they'll be back, telling their "friends"...

[stevetoney]

Seems like venues/security would have to know TS prior and browse it purposefully than just stumbling on it through a google search.

Them dudes only have to find ts.com once........they'll be back, telling their "friends"...

Except in spite of a stealthers paranoia, in the US, IMHO there's really no universal conspiracy out there against stealth tapers.  The only IMO thing that's universal is that they're against people sneaking their own booze into the venue. 

[perks]

The cat is not out of the bag.

Why make a forum available that quickly becomes a detailed FAQ for someone who wants to put a stop to the practice? Unless the goal is to make the techniques so well known that they are no longer effective.

[eman]

I don't see much purpose of discussing it beyond bragging. If you have an awesome technique, good for you. Hope you get good results. If you can't resist tooting your own horn, I think it is a good idea to use code such as the  symbol to keep the discussion off of Google. I don't know why the topic has to come up every so often- what has changed? And how about a "miscategorized"?

[stevetoney]

Devils advocate to most of the comments being made here.  If you use good stealth technique, even if it's discussed here, nobody at the venue should know you're taping so what's the big deal if it's discussed?  Even if they suspect you're taping, you can't be strip searched, so...

Personally, I don't think not discussing it lessons the fact that people are using ts.com to figure out how to stealth.  Either you're doing it or you're not...pretending you're not doesn't mean you're not.  It also doesn't mean that you're fooling anyone about it just because you don't talk about it overtly.  It only takes someone slightly over idiot level to figure out that  is code for the word 'stealth'.

[it-goes-to-eleven]

Devils advocate to most of the comments being made here.  If you use good stealth technique, even if it's discussed here, nobody at the venue should know you're taping so what's the big deal if it's discussed?  Even if they suspect you're taping, you can't be strip searched, so...

Personally, I don't think not discussing it lessons the fact that people are using ts.com to figure out how to stealth.  Either you're doing it or you're not...pretending you're not doesn't mean you're not.  It also doesn't mean that you're fooling anyone about it just because you don't talk about it overtly.  It only takes someone slightly over idiot level to figure out that  is code for the word 'stealth'.

The only constant is that you, someone who I recall does not do it, continues to want to push the subject as a topic of discussion on the site.  You have no skin in the game.

If this stuff is all so obvious, we don't need to keep bringing it up, right?

[Gutbucket]

  is code for the word 'stealth'.

Wha?!
There go the keys to the kingdom!

The status quo on this here seems relatively well balanced, everyone plays their roll and the Hoff shows up, appropriately, when the line gets crossed.

A few applicable maxims?
Low hanging fruit gets picked first. 
Don't piss upstream from the camp kitchen.
Seek and ye shall find.

[flipp]

I'd prefer stealth conversation to be conducted stealthily, but I don't think it matters much

You really should have left off everything after the comma or included the following option:
I'd prefer stealth conversation to be conducted stealthily, and I think it matters a great deal.

If you want a valid poll you need to quit injecting your opinion in the questions. That is one of my pet peeves about the professional pollsters questions, they skew the results by adding qualifications to their questions which will inevitably sway the results they get towards the answers the sponsors of the polls want.

I did vote - how aint' nobody's business but my own.

[stevetoney]

You have no skin in the game.

Ahem...look at my signature line.