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Gear / Technical Help => Ask The Tapers => Topic started by: 1st set only on March 03, 2006, 03:50:27 PM
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I have never understood this especially the intro crowd track. why do some people do this?
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For the ambience. Some people dig it.
I don't understand it when tapers include 5-10 minutes of the crowd. 10-15 seconds is a nice build-up though. You hear them get louder and then the cheer roars out and you can almost see the band entering from stage-left. Picking up their instruments. Tuning notes.
Jam.
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I usually only leave an 'intro' track if there's any band banter or fun licks of some sort. otherwise I do a quick 5 second fade into where I would typicaly make a track cut.
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For the ambience. Some people dig it.
10-15 seconds is a nice build-up though. You hear them get louder and then the cheer roars out and you can almost see the band entering from stage-left. Picking up their instruments. Tuning notes.
Jam.
this i understand
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with my shows I have always done about a one minute intro of crowd or intro music. Then right when track two starts is when the band starts their first song. This way when I listen I can get straight to the music if I want and the entire show is there....
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I usually don't turn on my recorder until the lights go out. then I am real jittery with the levels etc. so I don't get it right until they basically start playing. :P but if there is a intro like music I'll keep it.
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I leave in the "crowd/intro" track for a couple of reasons. It's a record of the show; and I hope that people listening will start to get captured by the audience's enthusiasm. Also, there are frequently little quips and asides during that time, with the band talking to the audience (or friends in the audience)...or a special dedication (like Los Lobos dedicating their Fillmore shows in 2004 to Dimebag Darrell). That's worth keeping in; and it's less than a minute most times, and it only takes a few seconds to track it out and FLAC it.
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with my shows I have always done about a one minute intro of crowd or intro music. Then right when track two starts is when the band starts their first song. This way when I listen I can get straight to the music if I want and the entire show is there....
ditto. and then if there is crowd that gets left at the end of the track so you can skip it. ex the encore. no reason to track encore crowd. leave it at the end of the track before it.
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I agree with what seems to be the standard so far..
If there is some banter or something out of the ordinary going on pre-set, etc then sure, i'll leave it. Its part of the show, part of the energy. Maybe they're just having a blast that night and playing great, their banter and such is all part of that.
Otherwise, a few seconds to set up the ambiance of live music is about all i'd leave it (or want to hear as a listener).
Now, recently i was tracking out Umphrey's in Cincinnati, lots of stuff going on. I wasn't sure what to leave. I left more non-music stuff than i think i usually would, but i felt like it should stay what do you all think...
1) pre set 1 band banter
2) pre set 2 booing and banter due to the bass player wearing a football jersey of the team that knock Cincinnati out of the playoffs.
3) HERE is where i wasn't sure what to do.. Set 2 > Encore.. Some of the guys left instruments out on the floor to feedback while they went off pre-encore... i left it all in. My thoughts being they were just having a lot of fun that night, and that was part of it.
At what point does something like that pre-encore shenanigans become too much?
logan
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I agree with what seems to be the standard so far..
If there is some banter or something out of the ordinary going on pre-set, etc then sure, i'll leave it. Its part of the show, part of the energy. Maybe they're just having a blast that night and playing great, their banter and such is all part of that.
Otherwise, a few seconds to set up the ambiance of live music is about all i'd leave it (or want to hear as a listener).
Now, recently i was tracking out Umphrey's in Cincinnati, lots of stuff going on. I wasn't sure what to leave. I left more non-music stuff than i think i usually would, but i felt like it should stay what do you all think...
1) pre set 1 band banter
2) pre set 2 booing and banter due to the bass player wearing a football jersey of the team that knock Cincinnati out of the playoffs.
3) HERE is where i wasn't sure what to do.. Set 2 > Encore.. Some of the guys left instruments out on the floor to feedback while they went off pre-encore... i left it all in. My thoughts being they were just having a lot of fun that night, and that was part of it.
At what point does something like that pre-encore shenanigans become too much?
logan
I would have done the same. with banter and the feedback thing you mentioned if it's more than a couple of seconds I would give it it's own track that way the listener can skip it or make a new disc without it if they want. but for the sake of preservation I would leave it. in tact.
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I think it really depends on the crowd and the banter.... I usually just track several seconds of crowd and whatever stage banter is going on before a set starts or after it ends. However, there is always an exception to the rule.... I have a dead tape from the early 70's that has about a 10 min track of the crowd before the dead came out for the encore. The crowd is obviously one group of people somewhere around the microphone that have ingested things for the show and are having a very deep/funny conversation. Talks about everything from the drive from the last stop on tour, what they got in the lot, and general trippy stuff. Sort of like real life Cheeh and Chong.... I laugh and listen to the whole thing every time I hear it.
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I like to start rolling early in case the venue plays their recorded announcement over the PA so I can start disc 1 with "Video and Audio taping of this performance is strictly prohibited. Any offenders will be prosecuted, blah blah blah."
The best intro tracks and outro tracks are the old school dead fob tapes where the tapers are asking each other for party favors and then give their source info into the mics - "taper joe here at 15 row dead f'in center with b&k4011s in ortf on an 8 ft autolux stand into a sony d10 pro dat recorder". :)
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i do it sometimes when the crowd is chanting to get the band out and such. plus it sure is easy to leave off that track when you burn if you do not want it on your copy.
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i try to edit out as much pastor mustard as possible
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i try to edit out as much pastor mustard as possible
:lol: so true.
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i try to edit out as much pastor mustard as possible
:lol: so true.
i was SO pissed the year they had him emcee rockygrass. he is one of my chief complaints about telluride bluegrass. i would be happy never hearing him again.