Author Topic: New Cap for the summer (Read 5791 times)

creekfreak · « **on:** March 17, 2004, 10:52:26 AM »

Ok, currently I have a set of mk41's and mk4's. Love the mk41's, kinda of iffy on the mk4's. Thinking of trying something new this summer for outdoor taping, looking at the mk21, and then the mk2/3's, so subcards or omni's. What would fit me best of outdoor taping? I have heard some sweet mk21 recordings, and the omni I know when used correctly sound fantastic also......can't decide, will probably look to trade someone some mk4's for the other.

nickgregory · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2004, 10:56:58 AM »

so I cant speak for the schopes, but more generally, for festival type atmospheres...I love split omnis when your out in a field...type taping...some really fun tapes come that way

creekfreak · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2004, 12:45:54 PM »

yea, I was thinking the omni's would be fun, but I was also thinking subcards for instances where a wider pick up would sound nice, but not as wide as say an omni would give you. I have never run split omni's and would love to see what that sounds like.

silentmark · « **Reply #3 on:** March 17, 2004, 12:50:47 PM »

Quote from: nickgregory on March 17, 2004, 10:56:58 AM

so I cant speak for the schopes, but more generally, for festival type atmospheres...I love split omnis when your out in a field...type taping...some really fun tapes come that way

100 percent agree, omni's are wonderful ...

creekfreak · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2004, 12:59:11 PM »

anyone got some omni to trade for my mk4's

dmonterisi · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2004, 01:14:39 PM »

go with the 21's...subcards own...omnis are great, but i think the times you'll able to be centered and split them enough to generate a great omni tape will be limited...get yourself the 21's and the 30cm kwonbar and you'll be good to go in a lot more circumstances.

wboswell · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2004, 02:14:21 PM »

I can't offer any experience with the mk2/2s/2h as I haven't had a chance to run them. However, I do have some really nice omni tapes. That said, I counldn't be happier with the mk21's. They have given me all the natural full sound that I expect from an omni, but they are forgiving enough to run indoors fob. Onstage is where I think they truly shine. I have only compared them to onstage mk4 sources, but its pretty remarkable how much presence they can offer. I discussed the mk21's with Peter Costello before I bought mine. He does sound work for many bands and has the opportunity to put mics onstage for the likes of RWTC and others. He mentioned that he had compared onstage results with tlm170s on many occasions and he was so convinced, he didn't even bother with the neumanns anymore. Granted, this is all a very personal opinion, but it still meant alot to me.

I have only made one really bad tape with the 21's... it was indoors in an old theatre, way fob, for a Mule show. Turned out entirely too bass heavy. If I really cared, I could have done some work in the post to fix it, but there were a few other card sources that sounded really nice, so there just wasn't a need.

The other reason I really like the 21's is b/c they are very convenient and easy to use if you have a NOS kwonbar. No problem clamping that arrangement on any stand and its still semi-low pro. Convenience means a whole bunch to me these days!

FYI: there was a guy looking for a pair of mk4's to go with his cmc6's. If you jump on it, you may be able to hook him up. You still have some time to get on it before the price increase. If you wait, it'll cost you at least $130

muj · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2004, 02:30:33 PM »

there is a studio in germany selling a pair of mk2s for 730ish dollars.

wboswell · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2004, 02:57:56 PM »

Are they selling the '2s' or the 2's? Its pretty tricky when it comes to writing lineages. The 2s have a slight HF boost to compensate for proximity effect.

muj · « **Reply #9 on:** March 17, 2004, 03:06:03 PM »

yes it is "mk2s"

dmonterisi · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2004, 03:09:05 PM »

what's the difference between the 2h and the 2s?

wboswell · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2004, 03:19:00 PM »

mild boost and slight boost

at least that is what I understand it to be

PS: Doug's omni of choice is the mk2s, or so the rumor has it...

dmonterisi · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2004, 03:22:18 PM »

while that may be right, i would've thought that the "h" and "s" were the first initial of german words rather than english words.

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #13 on:** March 17, 2004, 07:11:10 PM »

MK2 = flat
MK2H = mild HF boost
MK2S = more pronounced HF boost

I have some MK2H's I'm going to try out this summer.

THE NIZ BIAAAAACH! · « **Reply #14 on:** March 17, 2004, 08:38:55 PM »

I would go witj the 21's they are a much better all around mic. The omnis can be very chatty, where as the 21's when used right produce some of the most natural sounding tapes I've ever heard. They are also great for small clubs or on stage, stage lip, where as the omnis are too chatty for these aplications, IMHO.

schoeps t00bes · « **Reply #15 on:** March 17, 2004, 09:26:39 PM »

Why not go with the 5's? Just curious. You get the best of both world's for outdoor taping...cards and omnis. They also have a slight HF boost which make them sound VERY nice outside!!

Dave

wboswell · « **Reply #16 on:** March 17, 2004, 09:33:54 PM »

Quote from: schoeps t00bes on March 17, 2004, 09:26:39 PM

Why not go with the 5's? Just curious. You get the best of both world's for outdoor taping...cards and omnis. They also have a slight HF boost which make them sound VERY nice outside!!

Dave

because he could buy the pair of used mk2s muj mentioned for less than one mk5

creekfreak · « **Reply #17 on:** March 17, 2004, 10:21:36 PM »

I would love to get a set of mk5's to have both, but a matched pair of mk5 is going to be pushing $1700. So I sell the mk4's for around $800 and still have to put $900 in...but the thought has crossed my mind. Wish they made a fully selectable condensor schoeps cap, with 4 to 5 paterns.

wboswell · « **Reply #18 on:** March 17, 2004, 10:46:52 PM »

mk6 does card/omni/fig 8 - all for only $1195/capsule

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #19 on:** March 17, 2004, 11:07:46 PM »

before april 1st, hot damn

save · « **Reply #20 on:** March 17, 2004, 11:30:09 PM »

why not go mk5's and get rid of your mk4's?

save · « **Reply #21 on:** March 17, 2004, 11:31:36 PM »

oops looks like dave beat me to it.

dmonterisi · « **Reply #22 on:** March 18, 2004, 09:44:34 AM »

Quote from: wboswell on March 17, 2004, 10:46:52 PM

mk6 does card/omni/fig 8 - all for only $1195/capsule

now, that's a nice cap...but i do not particularly like the HF boost in all circumstances...i understand it in the far-field omni, but i wouldn't want that in the card...i'm sure it sounds great in some circumstances, but i wouldn't like it in all...some of jason's mk5 tapes sound great, but that's also matched with the tubes so some HF emphasis isn't bad.

wboswell · « **Reply #23 on:** March 18, 2004, 11:00:37 AM »

Money of no importance, sure, I'd like a pair of those in the bag, but in reality, I could pick up 2 pairs of adk's and a mixer and run 4 mic mixes for less.

Also, the housing on those looks particularly funny. I don't think they the cards would sound too good run backwards in my "ortf" bar

Nick S. · « **Reply #24 on:** March 21, 2004, 01:51:38 PM »

Get the 21's and kwonbar, I have both the 2s's and 21's and use the 21's much more than the 2s. In fact I have only used the 2s twice in a the year that I have had them. The 21's are great for outdoor stuff and indoors as well, and you can't run the omni's fob very easily . . .