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Re: Stereo technique for close miking with spread limitation?
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2010, 05:55:20 PM »
Microphones record where you place them? Who woulda thought?

I was simply asking what was the best way to approach a bad situation. No need to tell me to "suck it up"  :-\
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Re: Stereo technique for close miking with spread limitation?
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2010, 05:58:01 PM »
I've read that ORTF isn't suitable at such close distances,
I'm not sure as to why people say this but, that's when I usually do run ORTF is up close, stage-lip, or on-stage.
All have fantastic results.

Also, if you have omni's too run those right along with the cards.
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Re: Stereo technique for close miking with spread limitation?
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2010, 05:59:51 PM »
Also, if you have omni's too run those right along with the cards.

I might try this. So you're saying to have the omni's pointed and spaced the same as the cards? Thanks

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Re: Stereo technique for close miking with spread limitation?
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2010, 06:12:15 PM »
I would use your head as the baffle point for the omnis or clip them to your collar, or shoulders. Or grab a baseball cap and do the same.
Cards on your glasses and omnis on your hat.
It's nice to be able to run both rigs because of the different polar pattern and especially for redundancy.
If you feel the cards are missing something at the end, maybe the omnis captured what was missing.

What is the rest of the rig?
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Re: Stereo technique for close miking with spread limitation?
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2010, 06:18:10 PM »
The setup will be:

Oktava MK-012 cards (I have  omni's for these as well if I decide to just to one set of omni) - Denecke PS2 - Sony PCM-D50 Mic input

Then if I add omni's to it it will be AT853 Omni's - Sound Pro's power/preamp box - Microtrack II Line Input.

Just to be clear, are you suggesting I make two recordings so that I can pick the best one or so that I can mix recordings together if needed?

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Re: Stereo technique for close miking with spread limitation?
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2010, 07:32:35 PM »
Just to be clear, are you suggesting I make two recordings so that I can pick the best one or so that I can mix recordings together if needed?
Thanks
Yes sir.
You can either pick the better one or mix them, if one is good but lacking.
I enjoy running two rigs when I borrow a second one. I dig being able to be certain that if something goes wrong with one
the other is still rolling. I also like the fact that I get to hear the differences between them.

In your case there should be an audible difference from the omnis and cards.
I know quite a few people who will run say, omnis and cards, or hypers and subcards to mix in post.
Having one rig compliment the other.

PLUS RECORDING IS FUN!!
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Re: Stereo technique for close miking with spread limitation?
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2010, 08:45:45 AM »
burris, I just want to thank you for:

> Microphones pick up the sound where you place them:  if it doesn't sound good where you place them then your recording wont sound good and there isn't any technique that will fix that.

I'm sure you didn't mean to offend anyone who didn't need offending, and there is just so much good, common sense in this statement that I thought it deserved repeating.

--best regards
music > microphones > a recorder of some sort

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Re: Stereo technique for close miking with spread limitation?
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2010, 09:33:08 AM »
Following Eberhard Sengpiel's diagram, I would use cardioids in XY at 120 or 135 degrees or omnis 30-40 cm apart.

http://www.twin-x.com/groupdiy/albums/userpics/mic_setuo.JPG


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