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Why is this not a good idea. wcgr
« on: January 22, 2018, 07:32:11 PM »
I have a tascam dr-2d  and i just cam across a pair of electro voice 655c (http://www.coutant.org/655c/1643.jpg)

So... I used a xlr > stereo 1/8 inch plug to just run these mics right into the dr-2d mic in  and it works fine.   

my plan is to somewhat stealth these in a loud club.

I assume I am going to run out of battery pretty fast.... but other than that, where am I going to suffer?

Poor pre amp of the tascam? they aren't too bad.  will the mics overload?

Seems like u should buy a preamp to go between, but I'm wondering why this slim and trim rig is a bad idea.

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Re: Why is this not a good idea. wcgr
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2018, 08:25:54 PM »
Those look awfully large for stealthing, but if you can get away with it more power to you.

I don't know anything about them so can't help with battery life or the sound.

The pre-amp in your recorder is fine. No need for another. I'd spend money on better mics to start out.
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Re: Why is this not a good idea. wcgr
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2018, 10:35:13 PM »
655C's can compete, you'd be surprised.  No phantom to pull battery down, nice.  Indeed, they are big. 

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Re: Why is this not a good idea. wcgr
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2018, 12:58:56 AM »
I guess stealth is the wrong word... yes they are huge,   I guess just low profile for transportation,  and ability to  drink a lot while taping.

They are Omni dynamics and pick up everything so I need to get pretty close,  so small clubs are where it’s at.

Also tryouts by not to get in anyone’s way, band or staff or patrons .

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Re: Why is this not a good idea. wcgr
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2018, 09:18:50 AM »
I assume I am going to run out of battery pretty fast....

DR2d runs about 5-6 hours on a pair of rechargeable NiMH AA's (recording 4 channels without providing mic power).  If I recall correctly, disposable lithium AAs will run it for about twice that, but double check before you rely on that figure.
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Re: Why is this not a good idea. wcgr
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2018, 09:57:26 AM »
I assume I am going to run out of battery pretty fast....

DR2d runs about 5-6 hours on a pair of rechargeable NiMH AA's (recording 4 channels without providing mic power).  If I recall correctly, disposable lithium AAs will run it for about twice that, but double check before you rely on that figure.

Energizer Ultimate  Lithium good for 8 to 10 hours.  This option should sound much better than the internals.

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Re: Why is this not a good idea. wcgr
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2018, 11:09:02 AM »
Much better than the internals?    Do you mean that batteries have an affect on sound quality?
Or are you referring to the internal mics?

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Re: Why is this not a good idea. wcgr
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2018, 01:50:43 PM »
  and ability to  drink a lot while taping.

hmmm, i guess I never thought of that as a bright side. good luck with that

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Re: Why is this not a good idea. wcgr
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2018, 01:52:32 PM »
Much better than the internals?    Do you mean that batteries have an affect on sound quality?
Or are you referring to the internal mics?

Referring to the internal mics

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Re: Why is this not a good idea. wcgr
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2018, 02:30:24 PM »
I'm not sure why you'd want to use a mic with this polar pattern in the middle of a crowd at a club/bar, but to each their own and all that.  I'm assuming that these mics are not self powered, and therefore will drain the deck to a certain extent using phantom power.  Yes, a pre-amp would be batter than using the internal pre on your deck, but all considered, it shouldn't be a significant difference.  Unless you are running for a few hours without an opportunity to change batteries, there is no issue, just bring extra batteries and change them if you feel the need.
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Re: Why is this not a good idea. wcgr
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2018, 04:19:11 PM »
I'm not sure why you'd want to use a mic with this polar pattern in the middle of a crowd at a club/bar, but to each their own and all that.  I'm assuming that these mics are not self powered, and therefore will drain the deck to a certain extent using phantom power. 

Eh, people use DPA 4061's in this position, right?   No power needed, these are dynamic mics. 

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Re: Why is this not a good idea. wcgr
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2018, 05:02:14 PM »
I'm not sure why you'd want to use a mic with this polar pattern in the middle of a crowd at a club/bar, but to each their own and all that.  I'm assuming that these mics are not self powered, and therefore will drain the deck to a certain extent using phantom power. 

Eh, people use DPA 4061's in this position, right?   No power needed, these are dynamic mics.

I wouldn't...but that's just me.  Yours is a wide Omni pattern, which should bring in more crowd.  I like a directional microphone when in the middle of a crowd.  All that matters is that you're happy with your recordings.  If you don't need phantom power, then the power drain shouldn't be significant enough to be concerned, but bringing an extra set of batteries is never a bad idea.  If the concern is only about the sound quality, run the set-up at home under controlled conditions with silence between your changes, and you'll hear if there's something to worry about.  Good luck and have fun!
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Re: Why is this not a good idea. wcgr
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2018, 05:10:25 PM »
  and ability to  drink a lot while taping.

hmmm, i guess I never thought of that as a bright side. good luck with that
Ive never had much luck with this idea. Even when not even plannimg on it.
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Re: Why is this not a good idea. wcgr
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2018, 03:38:10 PM »
I am using these mic because they are all I have.

I have three ev 655c and one other directional dynamic that I put right in front of the vocal speaker.

It’s a small stage and I can put the mics anywhere.

Next question.
Should I burry the mics in the stage close to the drums and amps?  Or perimeter the stage in a triangle of sorts?

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Re: Why is this not a good idea. wcgr
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2018, 06:40:09 PM »
Hey, those are nice mics. :)

Good frequency response and don't need phantom power.

I have never recorded live shows with dynamics, but these would be worth a try.
Also, these might also be worth a bit as studio/ vintage mics.

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