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Stereo mic’ing tehcnique for schoeps mk22
« on: March 20, 2018, 09:20:34 PM »
Hey now,

Just picked up a pair of mk22 caps. I figured I’d run them in DIN, cause I’m not a huge ortf fan, but figured I’d ask here and see if anyone else has a technique with these mics that they love. They’ll be used in small clubs and theatres, and up front at phish gigs.

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Re: Stereo mic’ing tehcnique for schoeps mk22
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2018, 09:28:13 PM »
While it all depends on what sort of stereo image you're trying to capture, with those open cards you could try NOS.  That's what I'm trying with my Line Audio CM3s, which are wider than a normal card.
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Re: Stereo mic’ing tehcnique for schoeps mk22
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2018, 10:23:00 PM »
Cool. Thanks!  I have an nos bar somewhere, so I’ll give it a shot with them!
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Re: Stereo mic’ing tehcnique for schoeps mk22
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2018, 10:49:40 PM »
+1 for NOS....that is how I run mine!

While it all depends on what sort of stereo image you're trying to capture, with those open cards you could try NOS.  That's what I'm trying with my Line Audio CM3s, which are wide than a normal card.

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Re: Stereo mic’ing tehcnique for schoeps mk22
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2018, 12:10:55 AM »
The stereo bar that Schoeps offers for MK 22 capsules sets 21 cm spacing between the membranes, with the same 110° angle as ORTF.

I've used that stereo bar dozens of times and find that it works well.

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Re: Stereo mic’ing tehcnique for schoeps mk22
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2018, 04:55:00 AM »
I have been playing around with the configuration for some similar mics (4015s).  40 cm and 90 degrees results in an SRA pretty close to NOS...

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Re: Stereo mic’ing tehcnique for schoeps mk22
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2018, 07:43:39 AM »
I think it really depends on your position.

FOB, I've had good success with the mk22 at 21cm/110°. Like this: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=598567

But from farther back, I'd increase the spacing and try a narrower angle to more like 31cm/70° . Like this: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=596986

In general I first find the angle which allows for the microphone to be pointed at each stack, and then find the spacing which allows for that angle to provide a convincing stereo image.
Recording:
Capsules: Schoeps mk41v (x2), mk4v (x2), mk22 (x2), mk3 (x2), mk21 & mk8
Cables: 2x nbob KCY, 1 pair nbob actives, Darktrain 2 and 4 channel KCY extensions:
Preamps:    Naiant Littlebox, Naiant IPA, Naiant PFA, Sound Devices Mixpre6
Recorders: Sound Devices Mixpre6, Sony PCM m10
Home Playback: Mytek DSD 192> Adcom SLC 505> Marantz Ma500 (x2)> Eminent Tech LFT-16; Musical Fidelity xCan v2> Hifiman HE-400
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Re: Stereo mic’ing tehcnique for schoeps mk22
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2018, 08:55:49 AM »
I think it really depends on your position.

FOB, I've had good success with the mk22 at 21cm/110°. Like this: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=598567

But from farther back, I'd increase the spacing and try a narrower angle to more like 31cm/70° . Like this: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=596986

In general I first find the angle which allows for the microphone to be pointed at each stack, and then find the spacing which allows for that angle to provide a convincing stereo image.

I do something a lot like this with my MBHO subcards and did the same with the AK43s. Without the larger spread and time arrival difference they tend to sound kind of mono.
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Re: Stereo mic’ing tehcnique for schoeps mk22
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2018, 09:24:51 AM »
I think it really depends on your position.

In general I first find the angle which allows for the microphone to be pointed at each stack, and then find the spacing which allows for that angle to provide a convincing stereo image.

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Re: Stereo mic’ing tehcnique for schoeps mk22
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2018, 01:33:01 PM »
I think it really depends on your position.

In general I first find the angle which allows for the microphone to be pointed at each stack, and then find the spacing which allows for that angle to provide a convincing stereo image.

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Your detailed PAS theory has really changed how I go about taping, and I think my tapes have never been better.

I can't recommend the shapeways bars enough. Any angle. Any spacing.
Recording:
Capsules: Schoeps mk41v (x2), mk4v (x2), mk22 (x2), mk3 (x2), mk21 & mk8
Cables: 2x nbob KCY, 1 pair nbob actives, Darktrain 2 and 4 channel KCY extensions:
Preamps:    Naiant Littlebox, Naiant IPA, Naiant PFA, Sound Devices Mixpre6
Recorders: Sound Devices Mixpre6, Sony PCM m10
Home Playback: Mytek DSD 192> Adcom SLC 505> Marantz Ma500 (x2)> Eminent Tech LFT-16; Musical Fidelity xCan v2> Hifiman HE-400
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Re: Stereo mic’ing tehcnique for schoeps mk22
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2018, 09:40:42 AM »
Thanks Noah.  Really good to hear it's working well for you.  I've really liked what I've heard in your mk22 recordings, consistently.

Although I tend to get excited about multichannel OMT and post a lot about that and the thinking behind it around here, it's more arcane, complex, and not as applicable to how most tapers operate.  By contrast the Optimized PAS approach is far more universally applicable, with a certain grace and beauty in its applied simplicity.  I feel it's the most appropriate stereo technique for the majority of audience-perspective taping, and personally consider it the most important contribution I've made here at TS.
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