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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2018, 10:33:42 AM »
2 recordings with the newest firmware (v2.20) and no issues.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2018, 11:37:44 AM »
A quick followup firmware, v. 2.21, has just been released:

http://cdn.sounddevices.com/download/guides/FRN-MixPreSeries-v221.pdf

All features relate to cue markers, only.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2018, 12:12:29 PM »


All features relate to cue markers, only.

nope....

Fixed

For all models:
Windows 7 and 8 were not able to import or read MixPre .wav audio files.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2018, 12:17:05 PM »
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2018, 01:27:38 PM »
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2018, 04:05:35 PM »
I have a firmware request, I sent it directly to SD, but I want to post here so others can ask as well. I know it's nitpicking.

Please note that polarity, and not "phase" is the correct term for that which is upside down but not time-shifted. Phase would involve a time-shift, and not just a hot/cold switcheroo!  ^-^

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Please change the PHASE setting label on each channel to POLARITY, thanks!

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2018, 04:09:32 PM »
Gonna run v2.21 tonight for Hackensaw Boys.  Wish me luck!
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2018, 04:13:33 PM »
Clip indicator and peak hold look nice on the new FW.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2018, 05:40:13 PM »
Clip indicator and peak hold look nice on the new FW.

Do those occur native or is it a setting you have to turn on?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2018, 06:04:51 PM »
If you the ring LEDs turned on,  it should happen automatically.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2018, 12:27:28 AM »
If you the ring LEDs turned on,  it should happen automatically.
At sound check for Hackensaw Boys.  Ring LEDs on, no clip indicator or peak hold
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2018, 02:33:52 PM »
Can't find the answer to this in the thread, so pardon the repeat question:

The manual for the MP-3 states 'The MixPre-3 can record up to five audio tracks...'

So can one send the aux in to the mix tracks w/out the ISO's? Or is there some other way, or is it only 5 if you do a hot mix of the 3 ISO's onto the mix tracks along with the aux pair?

Or should I just have gotten the 6? :)

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2018, 03:01:46 PM »
I ran v.2.21 on Friday night without any problems.  I just formatted my card, loaded my preset, turned on bluetooth and away I went.

I will re-comment on the fact that during soundcheck I tentatively cranked my levels to see what the "clip indicator" looked like and saw nothing.  Also, is the peak hold feature the falling bar from the peak of each meter?  Hasn't that always been there?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2018, 03:12:57 PM »
Can't find the answer to this in the thread, so pardon the repeat question:

The manual for the MP-3 states 'The MixPre-3 can record up to five audio tracks...'

So can one send the aux in to the mix tracks w/out the ISO's? Or is there some other way, or is it only 5 if you do a hot mix of the 3 ISO's onto the mix tracks along with the aux pair?

Or should I just have gotten the 6? :)

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I was curious about this after reading your comment so I looked at the manual.  It appears to me that the five tracks are the three ISOs and the LR mix.  Hopefully someone who has more familiarity with the MP3 will correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2018, 04:08:42 PM »
Can't find the answer to this in the thread, so pardon the repeat question:

The manual for the MP-3 states 'The MixPre-3 can record up to five audio tracks...'

So can one send the aux in to the mix tracks w/out the ISO's? Or is there some other way, or is it only 5 if you do a hot mix of the 3 ISO's onto the mix tracks along with the aux pair?

Or should I just have gotten the 6? :)

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I was curious about this after reading your comment so I looked at the manual.  It appears to me that the five tracks are the three ISOs and the LR mix.  Hopefully someone who has more familiarity with the MP3 will correct me if I'm wrong.

You are correct the MixPre3 is 3 ISO tracks and in addition an L/R mix track. So while it has 5 tracks total, only 3 are ISO tracks or individual inputs. That is why it is called a MixPre3. There is a lot of commenting on people who thought or presumed there would be a way to have 5 (ISO) inputs, but that is not how the deck was designed. From early comments at SD, it seems unlikely this can be changed nor was it in the design to begin with.

Similarly the MixPre6 has 6 ISO tracks. It has in addition a L/R mix track for a total of 8 tracks, but only has 6 (ISO) input tracks. And to clarify further, only four of the inputs (ISO's) have the Kashmir Preamps. Tracks 5 and 6 are plug in power or supply your own through an external Preamp.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2018, 08:18:02 PM »
I have a firmware request, I sent it directly to SD, but I want to post here so others can ask as well. I know it's nitpicking.

Please note that polarity, and not "phase" is the correct term for that which is upside down but not time-shifted. Phase would involve a time-shift, and not just a hot/cold switcheroo!  ^-^

Hey Sound Devices!
Please change the PHASE setting label on each channel to POLARITY, thanks!

(edited to change will send to sent!)


For what it's worth, the terms seem to used interchangeably...perhaps it's an American English vs Queens English thing.  Anyway, I went to B&H's website and did a sample of audio preamps that have polarity/phase switches and both terms are used.  (FWIW, I've always called it 'phase' and I'm pretty sure that's how it's referred to in my DAW...Adobe Audition though I don't have Audition on this machine I have in front of me.)

These guys call it a phase switch or phase reverse on the face of their preamp.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/581139-REG/Summit_Audio_TPA_200B_TPA_200B_Microphone_Line_Preamp.html
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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/835231-REG/Chandler_LTD1_MIC_PREAMP_EQ_LTD1_MIC_PREAMP_EQ_1_CHANNEL.html

These guys call is a polarity switch.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1113552-REG/lindell_audio_evo6_500_series_discrete_mic.html
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2018, 12:13:39 AM »

For what it's worth, the terms seem to used interchangeably...
For what it's worth, I did say I was nitpicking, but I'll double down and say that about half of the uses are incorrect, or at the very least, imprecise.
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These guys call it a phase switch or phase reverse on the face of their preamp.
Without looking, I can tell you that they all have it mislabeled if it's a switch.
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These guys call it a polarity switch.
and they are correct.
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Here is a pretty good discussion of why polarity refers to signal inversion and phase refers to timing
https://theproaudiofiles.com/phase/

"One of the most confusing topics in audio is Phase. I think part of what makes it confusing is that people use it in reference to more than one issue.
What always seems to make things clear for me: figure out precisely which aspect is the concern then focus on the part that matters. It is such an issue that I avoid using the word Phase to prevent confusion.
There are really two things people mean when they say Phase: Polarity or Timing Difference.
Hopefully differentiating these can help you decide if you should push that Invert button or move a microphone when things sound weird."
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2018, 12:15:07 AM »
I'm not going to post every time I make a recording with the MixPre6, but I will make an exception for my initial outings. I recorded two shows by Monks Of Doom in small clubs in the San Francisco bay area. The deck performed more-or-less as expected. I was running firmware 2.10, and starting/stopping record and monitoring via the iOS app.

I was using the "suggested" custom combo mode where the knobs control ISO gain. I like it in principle, but in order to check the gain I had to move the fader, and change the gain!?  That seems weird.

Don't get me wrong, Audacity has the same problem, I have to click on the channel gain in order to find out how it's set, and that changes it if I move the mouse pointer at all!? But that's not my favorite way to run a user interface.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2018, 11:17:19 AM »
[snip] ...but in order to check the gain I had to move the fader, and change the gain!?  That seems weird.

Why do you want to know the gain setting while recording? During a show, the only thing I care about is levels.

After a show, I sometimes see where the gain ended up in order to have a general sense of where to start at in a similar situation.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2018, 11:23:15 AM »
[snip] ...but in order to check the gain I had to move the fader, and change the gain!?  That seems weird.

Why do you want to know the gain setting while recording? During a show, the only thing I care about is levels.

After a show, I sometimes see where the gain ended up in order to have a general sense of where to start at in a similar situation.

this!  I tend to start at 20.   after that I don't care about the number just levels.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2018, 07:11:10 AM »
[snip] ...but in order to check the gain I had to move the fader, and change the gain!?  That seems weird.

Why do you want to know the gain setting while recording? During a show, the only thing I care about is levels.

After a show, I sometimes see where the gain ended up in order to have a general sense of where to start at in a similar situation.



this!  I tend to start at 20.   after that I don't care about the number just levels.

I start at 20, but usually end up a bit higher.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2018, 07:47:52 AM »
There is a new version (I think) of the Wingman app:  https://www.sounddevices.com/support/downloads/wm-firmware.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2018, 10:50:52 AM »

I was using the "suggested" custom combo mode where the knobs control ISO gain. I like it in principle, but in order to check the gain I had to move the fader, and change the gain!?  That seems weird.

Don't get me wrong, Audacity has the same problem, I have to click on the channel gain in order to find out how it's set, and that changes it if I move the mouse pointer at all!? But that's not my favorite way to run a user interface.

And we're off to the races.



I am now running 2.21 and the need to turn the gain knob is no longer the case. Just pushing the knob in to show the ISO track allows you to see what the gain setting is.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2018, 05:52:45 PM »
I am now running 2.21 and the need to turn the gain knob is no longer the case. Just pushing the knob in to show the ISO track allows you to see what the gain setting is.
I am not seeing that this is the case at all. Using the settings I have, a push of the channel knob takes you to the channel control page, but does not show the level until I move the knob. Likewise, in the mode where the level meters show, a twist of the knob is required to show the level of the channel. The MixPre6 must be a quantum recorder, because its operation is affected by looking at it.

Evidently, I am getting spoiled by modern digital metering. In the future, I'll simply set the knobs at 9 o'clock and go get drunk.

Until now, I've usually liked to run left and right channels at the same level. Changing one and not the other shifts the stereo image. Going forward I will have to learn how to use the balance control in linked mode. It seems unintuitive to me, but the SV3800 worked that way.

In Linked Mode do the knobs for #2 and #4 need to be at "noon" in order for channel balance to be preserved?

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2018, 06:01:18 PM »
I am now running 2.21 and the need to turn the gain knob is no longer the case. Just pushing the knob in to show the ISO track allows you to see what the gain setting is.
I am not seeing that this is the case at all. Using the settings I have, a push of the channel knob takes you to the channel control page, but does not show the level until I move the knob. Likewise, in the mode where the level meters show, a twist of the knob is required to show the level of the channel. The MixPre6 must be a quantum recorder, because its operation is affected by looking at it.

I think it changed with 2.20. I know I used to have to turn the knob, but now I only needed to press the ISO button.
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Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2018, 06:48:45 PM »
I'm not going to post every time I make a recording with the MixPre6, but I will make an exception for my initial outings. I recorded two shows by Monks Of Doom in small clubs in the San Francisco bay area. The deck performed more-or-less as expected. I was running firmware 2.10, and starting/stopping record and monitoring via the iOS app.

I was using the "suggested" custom combo mode where the knobs control ISO gain. I like it in principle, but in order to check the gain I had to move the fader, and change the gain!?  That seems weird.

Don't get me wrong, Audacity has the same problem, I have to click on the channel gain in order to find out how it's set, and that changes it if I move the mouse pointer at all!? But that's not my favorite way to run a user interface.

And we're off to the races.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2018, 06:52:39 PM »
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2018, 12:20:39 AM »
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2018, 12:36:02 AM »
Here is a pretty good discussion of why polarity refers to signal inversion and phase refers to timing
https://theproaudiofiles.com/phase/

"One of the most confusing topics in audio is Phase. I think part of what makes it confusing is that people use it in reference to more than one issue.
What always seems to make things clear for me: figure out precisely which aspect is the concern then focus on the part that matters. It is such an issue that I avoid using the word Phase to prevent confusion.
There are really two things people mean when they say Phase: Polarity or Timing Difference.
Hopefully differentiating these can help you decide if you should push that Invert button or move a microphone when things sound weird."

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but phase and polarity would (sort of) be referring to the same thing for a perfect sinusoidal wave.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2018, 11:11:25 AM »
I am now running 2.21 and the need to turn the gain knob is no longer the case. Just pushing the knob in to show the ISO track allows you to see what the gain setting is.
I am not seeing that this is the case at all. Using the settings I have, a push of the channel knob takes you to the channel control page, but does not show the level until I move the knob. Likewise, in the mode where the level meters show, a twist of the knob is required to show the level of the channel. The MixPre6 must be a quantum recorder, because its operation is affected by looking at it.

I think it changed with 2.20. I know I used to have to turn the knob, but now I only needed to press the ISO button.

just updated to 2.21 and not seeing this either.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2018, 12:47:26 PM »
I am now running 2.21 and the need to turn the gain knob is no longer the case. Just pushing the knob in to show the ISO track allows you to see what the gain setting is.
I am not seeing that this is the case at all. Using the settings I have, a push of the channel knob takes you to the channel control page, but does not show the level until I move the knob. Likewise, in the mode where the level meters show, a twist of the knob is required to show the level of the channel. The MixPre6 must be a quantum recorder, because its operation is affected by looking at it.

I think it changed with 2.20. I know I used to have to turn the knob, but now I only needed to press the ISO button.

just updated to 2.21 and not seeing this either.
I'll see if I can take a picture tonight. It is at the top left of the screen.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2018, 12:50:17 PM »

I'll see if I can take a picture tonight. It is at the top left of the screen.

got it!  I have my channels labeled (ak40l, ak40r etc) so for me the db just flashes for a second and then shows the label.  when you go back to main screen it also shows for a split second.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2018, 01:52:13 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but phase and polarity would (sort of) be referring to the same thing for a perfect sinusoidal wave.
Well, this is why it's confusing. It LOOKS the same but it's only the same when you're doing math on paper, or on your oscilloscope, not in the field.

A sine wave shifted 180 degrees looks the same as one which has its relative polarity inverted. But it's not the same signal, in real life.

MATH TIME, ignore if you want.

Example: a sine wave at 100 Hz has a half wave period of 1/200 second, or 0.005 sec, or 5 ms. If you delay a 100 Hz sine wave 5 ms, and add it to the original at the same level, you should get 100% cancellation.
But now your signal is delayed, by 180 degrees of phase, which is 5ms for a 100 Hz wave. Not really the same signal.

Anyhow. When you speak of phase, there are a lot more degrees of it than just 0 and 180, and a LOT MORE MATH.

When you actually want to invert polarity, without delaying a signal at a certain frequency, you (and SD!) should just label the function POLARITY and not phase. Especially if you can remedy it in firmware! Those fancy hardware boxes from B&H can't get a new paint job over the internet!!!
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2018, 11:33:57 PM »
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2018, 09:13:14 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but phase and polarity would (sort of) be referring to the same thing for a perfect sinusoidal wave.
Well, this is why it's confusing. It LOOKS the same but it's only the same when you're doing math on paper, or on your oscilloscope, not in the field.

A sine wave shifted 180 degrees looks the same as one which has its relative polarity inverted. But it's not the same signal, in real life.

MATH TIME, ignore if you want.

Example: a sine wave at 100 Hz has a half wave period of 1/200 second, or 0.005 sec, or 5 ms. If you delay a 100 Hz sine wave 5 ms, and add it to the original at the same level, you should get 100% cancellation.
But now your signal is delayed, by 180 degrees of phase, which is 5ms for a 100 Hz wave. Not really the same signal.

Anyhow. When you speak of phase, there are a lot more degrees of it than just 0 and 180, and a LOT MORE MATH.

When you actually want to invert polarity, without delaying a signal at a certain frequency, you (and SD!) should just label the function POLARITY and not phase. Especially if you can remedy it in firmware! Those fancy hardware boxes from B&H can't get a new paint job over the internet!!!

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2018, 01:12:11 PM »
So will the 3M handle a 2 channel SBD feed via Aux in while running mic in on channels 1 and 2? Also, these are $100 cheaper than their predecessors, but SD is offering a plug-in for $99 which turns your existing 3 or 6 into a M. :hmmm:

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2018, 01:29:02 PM »
So will the 3M handle a 2 channel SBD feed via Aux in while running mic in on channels 1 and 2? Also, these are $100 cheaper than their predecessors, but SD is offering a plug-in for $99 which turns your existing 3 or 6 into a M. :hmmm:

No. The 3M is three input. XLR only, no bluetooth/Wingman, no m/s encoding...


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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2018, 03:17:46 PM »
So will the 3M handle a 2 channel SBD feed via Aux in while running mic in on channels 1 and 2? Also, these are $100 cheaper than their predecessors, but SD is offering a plug-in for $99 which turns your existing 3 or 6 into a M. :hmmm:

No. The 3M is three input. XLR only, no bluetooth/Wingman, no m/s encoding...


http://cdn.sounddevices.com/download/lit/MixPreMegaComparisonChart.pdf

https://www.sounddevices.com/images/products/MixPre-3MRightPanel-web.png

Looks like it has an aux/mic input to me, and if I’m reading that chart correctly that can be two channels.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2018, 03:26:14 PM »
From the manual for the MixPre-3m: "The MixPre-3M lets you record up to three tracks at once from either the three
XLR inputs, Aux in connectors, or USB inputs."
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2018, 06:55:45 PM »
I'm sorry,I can see how my XLR comment was misinterpreted - I was actually referring to the fact that they replaced the combo inputs with XLRs only.. You can only record three channels at a time as heathens comment reflects...


The plugin also appears to supplement the 3/6 with the m features rather than replacing them. Based on the video they released, after installing the plugin on a 3/6, you create a project and that project can use the traditional 3/6 firmware feature set or the new plugin features...

So will the 3M handle a 2 channel SBD feed via Aux in while running mic in on channels 1 and 2? Also, these are $100 cheaper than their predecessors, but SD is offering a plug-in for $99 which turns your existing 3 or 6 into a M. :hmmm:

No. The 3M is three input. XLR only, no bluetooth/Wingman, no m/s encoding...


http://cdn.sounddevices.com/download/lit/MixPreMegaComparisonChart.pdf

https://www.sounddevices.com/images/products/MixPre-3MRightPanel-web.png

Looks like it has an aux/mic input to me, and if I’m reading that chart correctly that can be two channels.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #42 on: June 14, 2018, 02:24:25 AM »
I'm sorry,I can see how my XLR comment was misinterpreted - I was actually referring to the fact that they replaced the combo inputs with XLRs only.

MixPre 3 was always XLR only. MixPre 6 and 10 have combo inputs
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #43 on: June 14, 2018, 06:52:06 AM »
I asked Sound Devices, but maybe someone knows here, or has already used it, if I buy the musician plugin for my Mixpre-3, will it act after only as a Mixpre-3M, or will I still be able to use it also as a Mixpre-3 when recording in the field?

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2018, 09:41:38 AM »
I'm sorry,I can see how my XLR comment was misinterpreted - I was actually referring to the fact that they replaced the combo inputs with XLRs only.

MixPre 3 was always XLR only. MixPre 6 and 10 have combo inputs

I didn't realize that. Thanks...
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2018, 09:45:36 AM »
I asked Sound Devices, but maybe someone knows here, or has already used it, if I buy the musician plugin for my Mixpre-3, will it act after only as a Mixpre-3M, or will I still be able to use it also as a Mixpre-3 when recording in the field?

Kind regards,

JM.

Based on the video they put up, a Mixpre-3 or 6 with the plugin can act as it normally does using the stock firmware or act as if it were a m version. After you install the plugin, you create a  project and choose between "audio" and "music". One gives you the standard feature set and the other the m feature set...
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2018, 10:00:57 AM »
I asked Sound Devices, but maybe someone knows here, or has already used it, if I buy the musician plugin for my Mixpre-3, will it act after only as a Mixpre-3M, or will I still be able to use it also as a Mixpre-3 when recording in the field?

Kind regards,

JM.

Based on the video they put up, a Mixpre-3 or 6 with the plugin can act as it normally does using the stock firmware or act as if it were a m version. After you install the plugin, you create a  project and choose between "audio" and "music". One gives you the standard feature set and the other the m feature set...

Absolutely, I just had the confirmation from Sound Devices, this is good news.  :)

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2018, 11:04:55 AM »
Can you transfer a recording made as an Audio project into a Music project internally in the MixPre6 with plugin (i.e., for use as a bed track) or would you have to download it first to computer and then import it?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2018, 06:31:11 PM »
Can you transfer a recording made as an Audio project into a Music project internally in the MixPre6 with plugin (i.e., for use as a bed track) or would you have to download it first to computer and then import it?

You can import it directly from audio project into music project! So damn versatile!

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2018, 07:35:48 PM »
Can you transfer a recording made as an Audio project into a Music project internally in the MixPre6 with plugin (i.e., for use as a bed track) or would you have to download it first to computer and then import it?

You can import it directly from audio project into music project! So damn versatile!

Excellent! That opens up many possibilities. Thanks for your reply, Paul.

If you've recorded at 24/192 in Audio, will it do the conversion to 24/96 when importing into Music?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2018, 09:10:04 PM »
I asked Sound Devices, but maybe someone knows here, or has already used it, if I buy the musician plugin for my Mixpre-3, will it act after only as a Mixpre-3M, or will I still be able to use it also as a Mixpre-3 when recording in the field?

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I assume it will be just like 10T users who buy the M plugin. You will get all the benefits of the original plus the M version in the same device.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2018, 09:16:04 PM »
As a taper, does the M plugin help me at all?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #52 on: June 15, 2018, 01:02:33 AM »
As a taper, does the M plugin help me at all?
I'll gamble and say that's a straight NO.

I'm not really seriously considering the purchase of this M plugin for my 6.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #53 on: June 15, 2018, 12:47:32 PM »
As a taper, does the M plugin help me at all?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #54 on: June 15, 2018, 01:15:37 PM »
Can you transfer a recording made as an Audio project into a Music project internally in the MixPre6 with plugin (i.e., for use as a bed track) or would you have to download it first to computer and then import it?

You can import it directly from audio project into music project! So damn versatile!

Excellent! That opens up many possibilities. Thanks for your reply, Paul.

If you've recorded at 24/192 in Audio, will it do the conversion to 24/96 when importing into Music?

No!

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #55 on: Yesterday at 07:04:08 AM »
I've finally updated my firmware.

Have any of you made use of the cue markers for "what we do?" If so, how?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 5
« Reply #56 on: Yesterday at 11:29:56 PM »
I've finally updated my firmware.

Have any of you made use of the cue markers for "what we do?" If so, how?
I get distracted during shows and can't be counted on to track an entire set live. Far easier for me to do it in post.

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