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Re: COMP: MixPre-6 vs. Zoom F8
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2018, 04:02:31 PM »
I totally appreciate the effort for comparison but..
Everyone argues for different things in comparisons, and everyone has been arguing and bagging on comparisons for 15+ years on ts.com.

Todd belongs to a select group of members here who's methodologies I trust explicitly with regards to these kinds of comps.  The guy knows what he's doing.

Thanks to both of you for setting up this comp.  It's rare to have it done with most extraneous variables minimized sufficiently.
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Re: COMP: MixPre-6 vs. Zoom F8
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2018, 08:12:28 PM »
I also wonder if microphones themselves don't vary a bit.

Looking back on this post, you raise a really good point here.  While I have no reason to doubt Line Audio's quality, even the best manufacturers can have variation in a specific microphone model, right?  I got my CM3s in February of this year...I know Todd has had his for longer than that but I don't know exactly when he got them.

If the difference between the F8 and MixPre6 is smaller than the sample to sample difference between two microphones then we've got bigger things to worry about!

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Re: COMP: MixPre-6 vs. Zoom F8
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2018, 06:23:16 AM »
A better compassion would be to take a setup and use one deck for the first set and another for the second perhaps.

Personally, I think having the same source is crucial for a comparison. A lot can vary from one set/song to another.

I think this comp is a pretty valid one and I really appreciate the time and trouble expended putting it together.  The differences (other than recorder) come down to an inch or two vertically and different pairs of the same make and model of microphones. I guess it is possible that the Line Audios differ substantially, but I doubt it...

At any rate, I have only had the chance to listen to these on a fairly crowded train with crappy IEMs. I will give them a careful listen at home with the good cans. I am curious!

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Re: COMP: MixPre-6 vs. Zoom F8
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2018, 08:45:05 PM »

Everyone argues for different things in comparisons, and everyone has been arguing and bagging on comparisons for 15+ years on ts.com.  Feel free to do your own comparisons, or at least to pay more attention to the postings on them and ignore them if they don't meet your standards.

Sound like I'm annoyed, I am.  There are lots of tradeoffs and choices, and different people come to different conclusions.  I've done far more comps than most here on ts.com and they take effort -- many times I've been soldering up breakout cables and borrowing equipment to get them done, then putting together files, uploading them, etc.  Always end up the same way on ts.com with someone shitting on them because they would do it different.

Don't let the bastards get you down. There will always be those types on TS. But there are a lot more that appreciate the work put in. Thank you.
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Re: COMP: MixPre-6 vs. Zoom F8
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2018, 11:13:23 PM »

Everyone argues for different things in comparisons, and everyone has been arguing and bagging on comparisons for 15+ years on ts.com.  Feel free to do your own comparisons, or at least to pay more attention to the postings on them and ignore them if they don't meet your standards.

Sound like I'm annoyed, I am.  There are lots of tradeoffs and choices, and different people come to different conclusions.  I've done far more comps than most here on ts.com and they take effort -- many times I've been soldering up breakout cables and borrowing equipment to get them done, then putting together files, uploading them, etc.  Always end up the same way on ts.com with someone shitting on them because they would do it different.

Don't let the bastards get you down. There will always be those types on TS. But there are a lot more that appreciate the work put in. Thank you.

Agreed, though I stopped doing comps because as soon as I post any comp I've ever done it gets shit on, usually within the first five posts.  Thanks for that, douchbags.

Anyway, good job guys with the comp.  I voted B because I hear some more mid and high end clarity.  Full disclosure that my current playback system is crappy. 

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Re: COMP: MixPre-6 vs. Zoom F8
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2018, 09:33:28 AM »
Thanks for the comp; they both sound great but a little different. I can't decide which I like better but I like Comps !!! Keep them coming !!!!
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Re: COMP: MixPre-6 vs. Zoom F8
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2018, 01:26:11 PM »
So.... which is which?
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Re: COMP: MixPre-6 vs. Zoom F8
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2018, 01:51:51 AM »
I think the methodology used here, as explained, is as close to perfect as one can get.  Many thanks for your hard work.

Todd definitely deserves the credit here.  He even home-brewed a NOS mount at the last minute to make sure we were both using the same configuration!

That's remarkable! Nice work and many thanks!
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Re: COMP: MixPre-6 vs. Zoom F8
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2018, 01:57:07 AM »
i went back and forth in liking A and B.  ended up voting same. 

what's the reveal?
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Re: COMP: MixPre-6 vs. Zoom F8
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2018, 08:57:48 AM »
I reckon let is sit for another week or two as a mystery!

But do tell us before the F8n start shipping!

Am sure many who are considering the F8n would like to know the result of the F8 vs MixPre6 comparison.

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Re: COMP: MixPre-6 vs. Zoom F8
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2018, 01:16:26 AM »
My guess...  A=Zoom.  which, i kinda preferred for some reason.  can't put my finger on it.
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Re: COMP: MixPre-6 vs. Zoom F8
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2018, 12:57:43 PM »
I finally got around to listening.

No idea which is which, but prefer A (listening at work thorough built in soundcard / Samsung phone earphones). Intend to re-listen through the good cans at home, maybe over the weekend.
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Re: COMP: MixPre-6 vs. Zoom F8
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2018, 02:12:27 PM »
"A" was behind with only a single vote, but now with those latest two votes from the commentators above we have A nearly drawn level with B at 4 votes!

Although over all, "the same" is winning by far.
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Re: COMP: MixPre-6 vs. Zoom F8
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2018, 03:17:24 PM »
I've got the "answers" now, but I'm going to hold off a bit before posting them here in case some more people want to give the samples an unbiased listen.  If you're itching to know, though, feel free to PM me and I'll fill you in.
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Re: COMP: MixPre-6 vs. Zoom F8
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2018, 10:42:05 PM »
Really, really close.  Slight preference for A.  Listened on my JBL 4406 monitors at home.

Still, impressively close.
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