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Are windscreens a necessity for indoor shows?
« on: June 04, 2018, 09:01:27 PM »
Subject says it all.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2018, 12:44:49 AM by ycoop »
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Re: Are windscreens a necessity for indoor shows
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2018, 09:18:10 PM »
like everything it depends

no hvac or other smoke considerations ? probably not
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Re: Are windscreens a necessity for indoor shows
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2018, 09:24:01 PM »
I alway bring, but rarely use unless there are fans/hvac nearby as stated above. Of course there is less protection for the capsules if the stand goes down or any fluids are thrown etc.
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Re: Are windscreens a necessity for indoor shows
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2018, 10:40:23 PM »
I run screens indoors at every show that isn't 007 especially @ venues I am unfamiliar with.

I once taped an indoor show during the summer. I was all set up band takes the stage, they lowered the house lights and then turned on these gigantic ceiling fans on full blast. One of these happened to be directly above my rig. I got some minor wind noise. Ever since then I run the screens "just in case"...

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Re: Are windscreens a necessity for indoor shows
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2018, 10:53:18 PM »
I run small windscreens inside "just in case."

Other than possible wind noise from A/C, fans, etc, I also like that it (somewhat) protects the caps if the stand were to get knocked over.
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Re: Are windscreens a necessity for indoor shows
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2018, 11:33:21 PM »
Indoors I'll run the small screens if I expect some HVAC "wind."  For places I know that won't be an issue, I'll let the mics go naked.
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Re: Are windscreens a necessity for indoor shows
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2018, 12:38:51 AM »
someone mentioned smoke--wind and pop screens are made of open-pore foam (as you would certainly hope!), and provide only incidental protection from smoke, dust and other airborne particulate matter. Condenser microphone capsules operate on the exact same principle as electrostatic air cleaners, except that they also have audio outputs.

Actually, come to think of it, that may be a point in favor of RF condenser microphones.

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Re: Are windscreens a necessity for indoor shows?
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2018, 12:54:04 AM »
Follow up question: any recs for cheap windscreens that’s will fit SDCs with a capsule diameter of 7/8”?
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Re: Are windscreens a necessity for indoor shows?
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2018, 01:26:31 AM »
Most microphones are made in countries that use the metric system, so the question is then, who makes 22 mm-diameter microphones?

Neumann widened their KM series from 21 to 22 mm a number of years ago, so their WNS 100 and WNS 110 would be candidates, though they aren't cheap. OTOH if you buy cheap imitations, you don't know what they're doing to the high frequency response of your microphones. It seems silly to spend hundreds of dollars for microphones, then spoil their performance unnecessarily to save $10 on the cost of a windscreen.
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Re: Are windscreens a necessity for indoor shows?
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2018, 02:43:39 AM »
WATCH OUT FOR CEILING FANS!

Follow up question: any recs for cheap windscreens that’s will fit SDCs with a capsule diameter of 7/8”?
I've been using these DPA UA0896 on my Neumann KM100 series, and just replaced my old set after 18-odd years. The new ones are way puffier than my old crushed-down ones!

DPA Microphones UA0896 Windscreen for 0.75" (19mm) Microphones
Currently $40 for a pair of them at a large NYC online shop.

Interestingly, I now notice this comment:
"This windscreen works excellently whether used indoors or out, but is best suited for short-range vocal performances"


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Re: Are windscreens a necessity for indoor shows?
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2018, 03:16:44 AM »
Most microphones are made in countries that use the metric system, so the question is then, who makes 22 mm-diameter microphones?

Neumann widened their KM series from 21 to 22 mm a number of years ago, so their WNS 100 and WNS 110 would be candidates, though they aren't cheap. OTOH if you buy cheap imitations, you don't know what they're doing to the high frequency response of your microphones. It seems silly to spend hundreds of dollars for microphones, then spoil their performance unnecessarily to save $10 on the cost of a windscreen.

$50 on windscreens for mics I spent $200 on seems equally silly to me. 

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Re: Are windscreens a necessity for indoor shows?
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2018, 09:42:16 AM »
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$50 on windscreens for mics I spent $200 on seems equally silly to me.

They are two seperate devices, with separate cost/performance curves.  Most important is that a windscreen fits correctly and performs appropriately.  Cost of the appropriate screen should be weighed against how well it achieves those goals.

Why should the cost of the microphone have anything at all to do with the cost of the windscreen? As analogy- does one decide which microphone to use based upon concert ticket cost?



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Re: Are windscreens a necessity for indoor shows?
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2018, 09:52:45 AM »

$50 on windscreens for mics I spent $200 on seems equally silly to me. 

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Re: Are windscreens a necessity for indoor shows?
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2018, 09:58:15 AM »
these are great for my neumanns for most indoor shows.  I would never run them outside!  one venue here has a big ass fan and the DPA's are needed indoors.  Outside I used to use BAS now I use Movo's.

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Re: Are windscreens a necessity for indoor shows?
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2018, 10:01:00 AM »
Most microphones are made in countries that use the metric system, so the question is then, who makes 22 mm-diameter microphones?

Neumann widened their KM series from 21 to 22 mm a number of years ago, so their WNS 100 and WNS 110 would be candidates, though they aren't cheap. OTOH if you buy cheap imitations, you don't know what they're doing to the high frequency response of your microphones. It seems silly to spend hundreds of dollars for microphones, then spoil their performance unnecessarily to save $10 on the cost of a windscreen.

$50 on windscreens for mics I spent $200 on seems equally silly to me. 

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Welcome to taping :)

windscreens, stand, clamps, cables etc etc will all start to appraoch your mics costs even if you go super budget everytime. The accessories add up fast.

AKG w32 will probably fit your mics. Or you could just go big ass shures if you think you will do a bunch of outdoor taping. That way you only buy 1 set for the time being
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