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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2004, 08:40:31 PM »
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2004, 09:54:32 PM »
Hey Brian, out of curiosity how big is the Sanosax compared to a PS2/AD20 combo?

I can't get both of those in + all my other stuff. Recording with AT853s and phantom power modules almost seems like recording with actives and bodies, but minus the great sound.

Lazy bum!  :P
 Sax:  5.75" x 3.40" x 1.60" | XLR ins on 5.75" x 1.60" side, outs on opposite 5.75" x 1.60" side
 PS2:  4.00" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, outs via cable from the other 3.00" x 1.25" side
AD20:  5.75" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, coax/optical out on 5.75" x 1.25" side
Adding right-angle connectors to the inputs increases the 3.40" dimension about +1".  On my unit the XLR inputs are replaced with a 5-pin binder plug that matches my KCY cable.  For outputs, I always use the 1/8" stereo out.  If all this makes no sense, check out the pics on the Sonosax website or in my Rig Pics post (the XLR ins attach in the same place as the KCY cable from my Schoeps caps), or in Dr. Phob's Rig Pics post (you can see the 1/8" stereo line-out, the XLR ins attach on the same face plate).

Lazy and on dial up what can I say.  ::) Thanks, + to you.

I know I'll end up getting an MP2 (if I can find one) or a sax, PS2/AD20 is almost too bulky.

I use the MIC 2496 covers all the bases, phantom, gain, adc.
Dimensions: 5-1/16" L x 3" W x 1-3/8" H
HERE
I like the sound a lot better with my micros than the ps2/ad20 combo.

STEALTH = M1290-HC>MIC 2496>MT 24/96
SUPER STEALTH = SP-CMC-8>SP-MT-MIC-PWR
>MT 24/96
also have:
PS-2, AD-20, JB3

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2004, 10:18:10 PM »
Wow, could you really get all that in?  That's way better than my stealth setup, but I always worry about getting busted and walking out with nothing, so I go as small as possible.

Yup.  The stealth setup (Schoeps MK41 (hypers) / Schoeps KCY 250/2Ig > Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 > Sony D100)  is easy - fits down my pants.  Haven't had to go through a metal detector yet, but I know a buddy with the exact same setup who's gotten through detectors (don't know if he didn't set them off or told them he had a cock ring or what).

Getting the full setup in (MK41 / KC5 / CMC6 > V3 > NJB3) is easy with a small fanny pack if they're not patting down.

Uhm, yea, thanks for that there Brian.   :P  I've only had one encounter with a wand with this set-up, but they had no clue how to use such a device.  I did prepare and have bunches of metal in my pokets - change, lots of keys, 2 cell phones, pager, and my glasses case outside is metal.

I'll even wear a bigger shirt, twist the pack around, and walk on in if they aren't patting or just checking visible bags.

I'm looking for something really compact.

If you can get into a good location, it's tough to beat the size/performance of something like DPA 4061 > MPS-something-or-other battery box, forget the model name) > D100/M1 or MD or NJB3.

I'm sure someone will chime in with the Sound Professionals and/or AT mic stealth setups as well - great size/performance on a budget.

Yea, I ran AT853 > battery box > D8 then later D100 for nearly 2.5 years.  The D8 is a big deck to lug in, but the D100 is much smaller and has already been believed to be a walkman (got caught adjusting it pre-show and told the usher it simply was a walkman *phew*).  This set-up made me master my tapes using T-Racks which really made the good tapes sound even better.  Another friend runs AT mics with a Deneke (sp?) pre-amp that has a built-in analog-digital converter.
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Schoeps mk41/mk21 > KCY 250/2i > SX-M2-LS/2 (Lemosax) > Sony M10 (stealth)

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2004, 10:44:26 PM »
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I use the MIC 2496 covers all the bases, phantom, gain, adc.
Dimensions: 5-1/16" L x 3" W x 1-3/8" H
HERE
I like the sound a lot better with my micros than the ps2/ad20 combo.

While I have considered getting the mic2496 a few things hold me back.

I just don't know if it can handle high spl situaions (rock shows). Without bass roll-off it seems that the AD20 likes to clip, I don't know how much better the mic2496 can be. I do like it's size though. I guess it has yet to be seen how well it performs, but thats great your running it, +T.

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2004, 10:10:14 AM »
Hey Brian, out of curiosity how big is the Sanosax compared to a PS2/AD20 combo?

I can't get both of those in + all my other stuff. Recording with AT853s and phantom power modules almost seems like recording with actives and bodies, but minus the great sound.

Lazy bum!  :P
 Sax:  5.75" x 3.40" x 1.60" | XLR ins on 5.75" x 1.60" side, outs on opposite 5.75" x 1.60" side
 PS2:  4.00" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, outs via cable from the other 3.00" x 1.25" side
AD20:  5.75" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, coax/optical out on 5.75" x 1.25" side
Adding right-angle connectors to the inputs increases the 3.40" dimension about +1".  On my unit the XLR inputs are replaced with a 5-pin binder plug that matches my KCY cable.  For outputs, I always use the 1/8" stereo out.  If all this makes no sense, check out the pics on the Sonosax website or in my Rig Pics post (the XLR ins attach in the same place as the KCY cable from my Schoeps caps), or in Dr. Phob's Rig Pics post (you can see the 1/8" stereo line-out, the XLR ins attach on the same face plate).

Lazy and on dial up what can I say.  ::) Thanks, + to you.

I know I'll end up getting an MP2 (if I can find one) or a sax, PS2/AD20 is almost too bulky.

I use the MIC 2496 covers all the bases, phantom, gain, adc.
Dimensions: 5-1/16" L x 3" W x 1-3/8" H
HERE
I like the sound a lot better with my micros than the ps2/ad20 combo.



Forgot to mention the easy to read meter's. Green light -12 db, red light -1.5 db. much better than the jb3 meters.
STEALTH = M1290-HC>MIC 2496>MT 24/96
SUPER STEALTH = SP-CMC-8>SP-MT-MIC-PWR
>MT 24/96
also have:
PS-2, AD-20, JB3

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2004, 10:42:40 PM »
akg 61s>actives>jk labs dvc>mod sbm-1>d8

This is what I run and this rig is sweet.  Its so small and sounds so damn good.  Around $2500 give or take.   

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2004, 10:55:12 PM »
>>Schoeps MK41 (hypers) / Schoeps KCY 250/2Ig > Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 > Sony D100<<

does the rear lobe of the hypers hurt in a stealth situation though?  i love the fact that my cards have very great rear rejection.  hypers would pick up the guy yapping behind you more, woudln't they?

and i think 4022s are the greatest stealth mics ever

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2004, 11:01:34 PM »
>>Schoeps MK41 (hypers) / Schoeps KCY 250/2Ig > Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 > Sony D100<<

does the rear lobe of the hypers hurt in a stealth situation though?  i love the fact that my cards have very great rear rejection.  hypers would pick up the guy yapping behind you more, woudln't they?

Theoretically, yeah.  I've only run the stealth rig a couple times, I've been slacking.  But I've run the 41s at head-height many a time and haven't encountered any issues with the rear lobe.
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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2004, 11:37:39 PM »
Wow, could you really get all that in?  That's way better than my stealth setup, but I always worry about getting busted and walking out with nothing, so I go as small as possible.

Yup.  The stealth setup (Schoeps MK41 (hypers) / Schoeps KCY 250/2Ig > Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 > Sony D100)  is easy - fits down my pants.  Haven't had to go through a metal detector yet, but I know a buddy with the exact same setup who's gotten through detectors (don't know if he didn't set them off or told them he had a cock ring or what).

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2004, 07:40:26 PM »
ive stealthed with

at853s > battery box > ad-20 > d8

i was very satisified with the results

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2004, 03:39:42 AM »
853 > mp2 > m1/d100 rocks the boat although mod460 > m148 > ad1000 > DAT is rocking too if you can swing it

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2004, 03:53:15 AM »
853 > mp2 > m1/d100 rocks the boat although mod460 > m148 > ad1000 > DAT is rocking too if you can swing it

agreed schwilly.

i run at853>at8533>mv100>m1 and recently ran ak40>lc3>km100>mv100>m1 and ak40>lc3>km100>mp-2>m1.
once i got past entry, working the rigs were basically the same.

a buddy in atlanta has a m248 brick and wants to get into stealthing :) 
for less than $300, i'll set him up with at853>at8533.

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2004, 07:19:03 PM »
i really want a pair of 4022's eventually, what's the best other setup to go with? (have an m1)

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2004, 08:13:11 PM »
The good thing about investing in the compact microphone or caps (4022 or schoeps) is that they can be mounted on a stand and used easily in non-stealth situations.  The dpa minatures or core sound version sound very good and are very small.  Your mileage will be greatly improved by getting an external preamp which improves the quality over the built in preamps in the DAT or MD.

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Re: The Perfect Stealth Rig ??
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2018, 01:38:26 AM »
In the 13 1/2 years since this topic was posted things have undoubtably changed.

So, what is now considered to be the 'perfect stealth rig?

Gear suggestions only please, techniques only via PM, dont wanna see the Hoff!

Thanks in advance
« Last Edit: February 21, 2018, 03:19:08 AM by bobstammers »
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