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2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« on: December 02, 2008, 08:18:28 PM »
i've been tring to figure out how to mix 2 camera angles in vegas i have the video syched within a frame or 2 but need but need to get it perfect also can't figure out how to view both videos in the playback window ??? sorry but i'm new to vegas and how no clue even with all i have read

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2008, 08:20:48 PM »
also is there a filter/ video effect i can use to brighten video a bit without degrading the quality too much as these were filmed in a bar with poor lighting

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2008, 01:01:59 PM »
How did you get to the point you're at now?  Normally I use the audio tracks to sync.  I try to find a distinct event at the start of the event and match that up on each.  Then I zoom in on the tracks and and match that point up more closely.  If you're filming an event where camera flashes are going off you can use that.  The brightest part of the flash will take up 1 frame.  If both cameras catch that flash you can match them up to both show that at the same time.  Then you're good to go.

To show both tracks in the preview window there are a couple coptions.  If you want to use Vegas 8 multi cam feature then once you have the tracks lined up go to Tools > Multicamera > Enable Multicamera Editing > Create Multicamera Track.  This will turn your 2 tracks into 1 and automatically size your angles in teh preview window.  Now you can cut between tracks by clicking on the angle you want in the preview window.  If you want a crossfade between the cuts hold down CTRL when you click on the angle you want to cut to.  It will automatically create a 1 second crossfade.

If you want to size the tracks in the preview window manually go down to your track on the timeline.  On the left where it shows track info there's a "Track Motion" button.  Click that and you'll open that menu.  Under the "Position" info in the top left you'll see width and height.  Change these to what you want and you'll see the video change size in the preview window and you can move it where you want.  Doing this way you'll have to make you cuts manually and copy and paste them intoa  new track that is still normal width and heighth.  Whichever track you have on top is the one that will display in your finished video.

If you just want to do normal cuts or crossfades between your tracks the multicamera feature in Vegas 8 is a major timesaver. 

Hope this helps some. 

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2008, 07:47:41 PM »
i syched the videos but for some reason it won't let me open the create multicam track option i have the tracks ready to go (ithink) in the time line below thanks for your help 

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2008, 10:15:49 PM »
You need to highlight the tracks you want to create the mix of.  Go click once on the first track, hold down Shift and click on the last track.  You need to tell Vegas which tracks you want it to use in the multicamera track.

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2008, 01:28:58 AM »
You need to highlight the tracks you want to create the mix of.  Go click once on the first track, hold down Shift and click on the last track.  You need to tell Vegas which tracks you want it to use in the multicamera track.

thats for your help i think i got it now  ;D

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2008, 11:18:11 AM »
when you select the tracks to multitrack, be sure to only pick the video portions.  They will get combined into one multitrack item.  This way the audio portions remain intact for the two pieces.  If you find that one of your videos is out of sync it is easy to find the problem using the audio and fixing it since you have a reference.  If you select the video and the audio when you multitrack one of the audios will be lost.

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2008, 06:13:38 PM »
thanks thats good to know anyone know how i can slightly brighten video without too much quality loss? i tried using the brightness & contrast effect in vegas but some add it the video loses that crisp look and as you brighten it looks really grainy i'm sure there is a better filter or something i could use 

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2008, 05:44:42 AM »
To lighten, I usually apply the Levels filter.  I start with the "input end" slider, if your blacks start to go, you can slide the "input start".  There is a lot more to luminance, but this should help.

If it is a white balance issue, I use the main Sony Color Corrector filter.

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2008, 12:36:28 AM »
To lighten, I usually apply the Levels filter.  I start with the "input end" slider, if your blacks start to go, you can slide the "input start".  There is a lot more to luminance, but this should help.

If it is a white balance issue, I use the main Sony Color Corrector filter.



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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2009, 12:36:50 AM »
so how can you use audio to sych 2 video sources together i'm trying another concert 2 cam and i don't see any flashes to match up at the beginning one source the first few seconds of audio are slightly distorted for some reason

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2009, 03:29:23 AM »
so how can you use audio to sych 2 video sources together i'm trying another concert 2 cam and i don't see any flashes to match up at the beginning one source the first few seconds of audio are slightly distorted for some reason
Actually, synching audio isn't always the best method for synching video.  Because if one cam is shot from close up and the other is shot from the cheap seats - they video will not be in synch if you go strictly with synching the audio.

So you want to synch video to video.  The way you do it is to reduce the opacity of the video on the top line in Vegas.  Hover the curser near the top of the videoline, left click and hold, and drag the opacity line down.  You then be able to see both video at once.

I like to use the drummer for synching.  Try to find a stretch of video where the drummer is clearly visible in both videos.  And then match his drumbeats (sticks) perfectly - and you are all set.

By the way, the drummer is also the best person on stage to use for synching audio.  It's hard to describe "how to synch" audio and video - you just have to watch it and let your eye decide when it's in synch.  It's like trying to define porn...I can't really define it exactly - but I know it when I see it.
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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2009, 09:07:13 AM »
It's not as hard as you may think to sync audio but it can be more time consuming. 

There are couple variables.  If you're syncing two video sources they should stay in sync through the whole track so you can use any spot in the track to sync.  With audio only, say a SBD+MIC mix, one source will almost definitely drift off into the recording so you must start at the beginning and then go to the end to match them back up by stretching/shrinking as necessary.

I start by using a good pair of headphones.  Find an event that is as distinct as possible.  Drum stick or cymbal hits are good.  If you find a spot where it gets quiet and starts suddenly that can work well also.  Find your spot and zoom in.  Move the borrom track left or right until those distinct events are as close as possible together.  I test it by panning one side to the left and one to the right and playing it.  I also zoom in as far as possible and try to make it matched exactly.   

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2009, 12:25:15 AM »
J, i highly recomend ultimateS plug-in. thats what me and about everyone else over @ MD use. LMK if you need it.

it will synch 4 cams and just split the preview screen. then you can see whats happenin' on every camera, and you just hit a button to change screens! simple as that. there's a frame and red "record" button on the camera that you've selected. dreamweaver wrote be a great tutorial if you want that as well. once you've made all the marks you select step 2 of the quad-cam and bada-bing! your mix is done. usually i watch it all the way thru (keeping quality on "preview" so it flows) and try'n catch any f' ups before I render it.

vegas is on'a them programs thats overwhelming at first but the more you use it, the better you get at it.

example;
1st show i ever mixed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P-u4h-a6p8
last show i did: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDIwOkDMylA

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when i'm making mixes I keep one window open w/ that, and another one w/o the 4cam. after i synch all the sources (as the rest were saying, zoom in on the audio where a song starts or ends & its relatively easy to line up) I save the project, then open it again and apply the UltimateS quad-cam plugin. 'cause what it does is make each camera angle 1/4 of the screen, and sometimes I like to do split screen effects or overlays, and when doin that you naturally want the videos to be full-screen and you can shrink or overlap then, then I render the scene that has the split screen/overlays (i save it as a time code, like 00035600 would be 3 min, 56 seconds) and c/p that into the wherever camera 1 is (it'll appear as the full screen, don't worry bout that, just make sure you have a cut to camera1 where it starts).

the effects are generally more applicable to 3 or more cams, 'cause it looks dumb to have a split screen return to one of the same screens, but its still good for overlays when you actually want an overlay and not a crossfade.

i do wish they'd upgrade it to like 8 cameras, i've done a few 5-6 cam mixes where I just left the least used track at the bottom and whenever I needed a shot, I'd check 'em out, and c/p what I wanted in camera 1

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2009, 11:11:47 AM »
Instead of using Ultimate S you should try the demo of Excalibur(has presets for up to 25 cams.Go to www.jetdv.com and become a happy excalibur user.

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2009, 05:42:44 PM »
I would really try to avoid as much effects as much as possible and use fading pretty sparingly.  It'll give the video a little more cleaner look and a little more professional looking. 

I did these a couple of years ago just using enveloping on vegas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VP9pAx5RcI&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewrnAC92O-0&feature=PlayList&p=8E9FEB29127AD488&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=14

These days I'm using Final Cut, but the I think the basics are pretty similar for most multicam editors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CEnFnvOVd8&feature=channel_page

oh make sure your videos are in sync all the way.  one time i forgot to check and it end up one of the angles had a couple of dropped frames, making the back end out of sync.

i'm still having issues colour correcting for angles that are vastly different, but thats a whole different problem.

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2009, 07:59:00 PM »
I've had issues with color being drastically different when I used auto white balance.  If you don't already use manual white balance you should.  You can set the cameras next to each other in one spot and get it set and most cameras hold those settings until you put it back in auto or change it.

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2009, 10:21:26 PM »
actually the problem is trying to match a 3ccd cam footage with a 1ccd cam.  or at least try to get it somewhat close.

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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2009, 10:16:05 AM »
If your using the sony vx2000/2100 3ccd i can tell you that your footage will be oversaturated look in the vectorscope and you'll see colors in the illegal area's.Just desaturate them to match all cams in the vectorscope.If your using different brands Panasonic will usually be always in the legal area,and Sony oversaturated,Canon will look very different and have a more yellowish cast.Also if some cams are in auto mode and some in manual it will be even harder to match...automatic mode is useless.But the vectorscope is your best friend.Here's a link to some good advice on color correcting and matching.

http://www.glennchan.info/articles/articles.html
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Re: 2 cam mix in vegas 8.0c
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2009, 01:07:43 PM »
If your using the sony vx2000/2100 3ccd i can tell you that your footage will be oversaturated look in the vectorscope and you'll see colors in the illegal area's.Just desaturate them to match all cams in the vectorscope.If your using different brands Panasonic will usually be always in the legal area,and Sony oversaturated,Canon will look very different and have a more yellowish cast.Also if some cams are in auto mode and some in manual it will be even harder to match...automatic mode is useless.But the vectorscope is your best friend.Here's a link to some good advice on color correcting and matching.

http://www.glennchan.info/articles/articles.html

Talk about irony.  I just found that same page this morning and emilaed the link to myself to read later.

 

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