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Advice on Running MP-2>Mod SBM-1
« on: April 30, 2003, 10:08:27 AM »
OK, so I searched the archives on Oade, and apparently everyone has an opinion on how to run this combo...so here I am looking to this board!  The deal is this, I bought a MP-2 (Thanks Scott!) and will be running:

AKG 391(s)>MP-2>Mod SBM-1>D100

I am looking for current advice around the following:

1)  I have cables to run both XLR>RCA or mini>RCA (Kindkables.com...shameless plug, but Ed deserves it!)...I know the increased db's provided through the XLR option, but is there anything else I need to be concered with here?

2) How should I run it?  It seems there are two opinions, basically plug in the mic's to the MP-2, basically run levels dead minimally, and adjust on the SBM-1.  The other option that I have seen people do is set the SBM-1 levels conservatively and adjust on the MP-2.  Which do folks here prefer?

3) I won't have my SLA until after the Particle show (my first outing with it) and curious if (a) Particle runs two sets?  So maybe I can swap batts out and run alkalines, and/or (b) what could I expect to get using liths vs. Energizer Max?

Any opinions, suggestions anyone has, I would love to hear!

Appreciate the advice in advance.

Nick
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Re:Advice on Running MP-2>Mod SBM-1
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2003, 10:30:20 AM »
I ran an mp-2 into a modsbm-1 for awhile. First off, I do not like the sound of the mp-2 at high gain so bearing that in mind, its better to keep the mp-2 low and run the sbm-1 opened up some. I don't think running some gain from the mp-2 is bad, just try to keep the sbm-1 above 5 and you should be good.
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Re:Advice on Running MP-2>Mod SBM-1
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2003, 10:43:27 AM »
3)  Particle usually plays two sets - you should be fine switching batteries at set break.

Wish I could help with the others, but I got no experience with the MP-2!
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Re:Advice on Running MP-2>Mod SBM-1
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2003, 11:14:55 AM »
Quote from: nickgregory on April 30, 2003, 10:08:27 AM
So maybe I can swap batts out and run alkalines, and/or (b) what could I expect to get using liths vs. Energizer Max?

I ran a SD Mixpre for a while (damn near identical to the MP2) and found it to be a power pig.  I got barely over an hour on plain old alkalines.  Not sure about the various flavors of super-duper alkalines (e.g. Duracell "Ultra").  Maybe someone else can chime in.

FWIW, the battery compartment may require a mod in order to run rechargables if you're considering that in the future.
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Re:Advice on Running MP-2>Mod SBM-1
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2003, 11:16:53 AM »
Quote from: Brian Skalinder on April 30, 2003, 11:14:55 AM

FWIW, the battery compartment may require a mod in order to run rechargables if you're considering that in the future.

I have heard that.  Is this the fix that everyone is sending the MP-2 off to Sound devices to get done?
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Re:Advice on Running MP-2>Mod SBM-1
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2003, 11:17:26 AM »
And thanks the advice guys thus far....+T

Keep it coming..!

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Re:Advice on Running MP-2>Mod SBM-1
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2003, 11:47:50 AM »
Nick,

I'll be on-stage for Particle at the Lincoln. See you there.

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Re:Advice on Running MP-2>Mod SBM-1
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2003, 12:11:02 PM »
I ran km184>mp2>modSBM1 for about a year or so.  I think most folks will tell you the mp2 doesn't sound as good at high gain, and I agree completely.  I ran 1/8" mini to RCA's on the SBM1 to keep the gain of the mp2 to an absolute minimum.  Personally, I never had a problem running mini out rather than XLR.  No pulled cables, no dropouts.  I guess the drunks like my stand better than my gear.  ;)  I also ran the mp2 at pretty much minimum gain--knobs completely counter-clockwise, other than getting L-R levels matched.  Then I used the gain adjust of the modSBM1.  SBM levels were generally between 6-9.

Sounded great this way.  I never really noticed the bloated mp2 low end folks always talk about, perhaps since I used so little gain out of the mp2.  Only drawback with running this way is that the knobs at very low gain are incredibly sensitive.  Really need to grab the knobs and just visualize which way you want them to turn, otherwise you'll get a very noticeable shift in levels on your tape.

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Re:Advice on Running MP-2>Mod SBM-1
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2003, 12:18:43 PM »
Right on, Todd; great advice!  I loved your modSBM when I had it; a car accident took care of that.

You can get a show or two out of lithiums.  You can probably get a complete show out of alkalines also.  I believe that the 391 series can accept phantom power from 9-48 volts and the MP-2 has a switch where you can supply 15 or 18 volts (forgot which one) to the mics if you want to save on battery power.  You can most likely get a complete show off some Duracells if you keep the level meter off on the MP-2; the meter is bright as hell and sucks up a lot of juice.

Nick, I ran this combo for a while and absolutely loved the results.  I may be at Particle also so see me if you have any questions.
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Re:Advice on Running MP-2>Mod SBM-1
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2003, 12:35:11 PM »
Jamie,

You surely should go to particle, run the bomb rig ;), and send me a copy of that stage tape.  Go Team Gefell!

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Re:Advice on Running MP-2>Mod SBM-1
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2003, 12:44:29 PM »
Yeah, maybe break out the omnis for once at Particle.  A trip to Taco Bell took care of that (non) experiment at the Panic shows.  Don't ever eat there if you are doing something cool within the next few days!

Nick, I forgot to mention that depending on the model of MP-2 you have, you may already have the battery modification done.  Try a pair and see if it powers up; if it does not, you need the modification.  They did change the spring assembly in later production runs.  If you need the modification, a pair of MAHA 1800 rechargeables will last you through a show.  The mod was free and they fixed it and mailed it out in the same day.
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Re:Advice on Running MP-2>Mod SBM-1
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2003, 01:39:58 PM »
so is this particle band good? Heard a lot of good things and they are playing the late night stage at the Vibes this year
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Re:Advice on Running MP-2>Mod SBM-1
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2003, 01:43:05 PM »
Particle is a rocking band. Definitely go check them out Kris. I don't like STS 9, or any of the other techno-ish bands, but Particle takes the stage and rocks full out until the end of the show! Great band, great live show. Definitely check them out.

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2003, 02:30:21 PM »
Yeah, they rock for sure.  I wouldn't reccomend a bunch of shows in a row, as they don't have a whole lot of material from what I could tell, but they definately rick!

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Re:Advice on Running MP-2>Mod SBM-1
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2003, 02:56:35 PM »
Quote from: jlykos on April 30, 2003, 12:18:43 PM
Right on, Todd; great advice!  I loved your modSBM when I had it; a car accident took care of that.

You can get a show or two out of lithiums.  You can probably get a complete show out of alkalines also.  I believe that the 391 series can accept phantom power from 9-48 volts and the MP-2 has a switch where you can supply 15 or 18 volts (forgot which one) to the mics if you want to save on battery power.  You can most likely get a complete show off some Duracells if you keep the level meter off on the MP-2; the meter is bright as hell and sucks up a lot of juice.

Nick, I ran this combo for a while and absolutely loved the results.  I may be at Particle also so see me if you have any questions.


Jamie,

Thanks for the feedback....one more question though.  Understanding that the 391's can accept 9-52V of power...is there a performance impact on the mic if I run the 15volt option to it??  Seems in theory there may be, but I am curious.

Thanks all for the advice though.....but seriously, am I going to be the only guy running in the aud for Particle?  :)

Nick
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