Topic: Schoeps CCM2S > V3 > MT vs. MR-1

[sygdwm]

The fact that so many of us who prefered B (I was one) noted that it was, ideed, very close, says a great deal aboutt he quality of the MR-1.

-Noah

i didnt like A at all. /ducks

[Gutbucket]

Just got time to listen a few times tonight before checking the thread & finding results.  I found testing 1 clean and sharp sounding with more transient on the attack of the notes, which sounded more immediate & 'real' to me the first time through.  But I quickly began to become attracted to the seemingly richer spaciousness and depth in the the reverbish tail of the notes in testing 2.  After going back and forth a few times I was swayed towards testing 2 more & more.  Seemed smoother. 

As for which was which I guessed the opposite , though I really had nothing on which to base that assumption.

Thanks, for putting this up.

[it-goes-to-eleven]

So the v3 a/d beat out the MR-1 3:1...  The r09 was preferred over the v3 a/d 3:1 in one comp we did (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,84330.30.html).

Here's another v3 vs. r09 comp.. If the r09 beats the v3 a/d again, does that mean the r09 sounds better than the mr1? 

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,84616.0.html

[noam]

So the v3 a/d beat out the MR-1 3:1...  The r09 was preferred over the v3 a/d 3:1 in one comp we did (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,84330.30.html).

Here's another v3 vs. r09 comp.. If the r09 beats the v3 a/d again, does that mean the r09 sounds better than the mr1? 

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,84616.0.html

There has been a lot of ink as well as bandwidth spent about the issue that when people are comparing audio and expect to hear a difference, they will hear a difference even when there is none (false +)

A better comparison design would have been to complicate the test by including a third and a 4th file, which are simply a copy of another, so that you don't know if any 2 files are really different.

(It would also reduce placebo/suggestion effect, IMVHO, not to preface the comparison with tantalizing comments about needing very sensitive ears or that the result is quite impressive.)

Noam

[Brian Skalinder]

A better comparison design would have been to complicate the test by including a third and a 4th file, which are simply a copy of another, so that you don't know if any 2 files are really different.

(It would also reduce placebo/suggestion effect, IMVHO, not to preface the comparison with tantalizing comments about needing very sensitive ears or that the result is quite impressive.)

Doesn't listening in an ABX environment address these concerns (at least the first)?

[it-goes-to-eleven]

A better comparison design would have been to complicate the test by including a third and a 4th file, which are simply a copy of another, so that you don't know if any 2 files are really different.

A fine idea but I think it is already a challenge to get sufficient numbers of folks participating in comps (hence mentioning it in this thread). I think placebo's would erode interest.

[SClassical]

Since I also have the R-09...I'm planning to do another poll in the near future using these:

MT, R-09 and MR-1

This time I might use my DPA4060>MMA6000 instead because this combo is more popular and affordable to many tapers and can give a good comparison for anyone consider purchasing any of these recorders/mics/preamp.

I know all 3 recorders are different...So I think the best thing to do is to set my MT, R-09 and MR-1 @ 24/48 and an extra track with my MR-1 @ DFF (DSD). That will give us 4 tracks to compare. That will really be interesting to see the final poll results 

and obviously using one editing program (SF8) to convert all PCM 24/48 to 16/44.1 (and using AG to do the DFF to 16/44.1)

[Gutbucket]

Since I also have the R-09...I'm planning to do another poll in the near future using these:

MT, R-09 and MR-1

This time I might use my DPA4060>MMA6000 instead because this combo is more popular and affordable to many tapers and can give a good comparison for anyone consider purchasing any of these recorders/mics/preamp.

I know all 3 recorders are different...So I think the best thing to do is to set my MT, R-09 and MR-1 @ 24/48 and an extra track with my MR-1 @ DFF (DSD). That will give us 4 tracks to compare. That will really be interesting to see the final poll results 

and obviously using one editing program (SF8) to convert all PCM 24/48 to 16/44.1 (and using AG to do the DFF to 16/44.1)

I'm very interested in this potential comp. I primarily run 4060>MMA6000>R-09 & have been considering another recorder, both for my other rig (ADKTL>V3>?) & for backup.  I'm considering all three of these options as well as others.  I'm sure 16/44.1 is best for many here, but I'd prefer to hear the 24/48 files as well since that's the format I use for both recording & playback.

I suppose it's time for me to finally load the ABX software to eliminate any self-bias.
Thanks again for doing these comps! Plus tee to you scyue.

[Gutbucket]

Do the results dissapear once the poll is locked?  I know the general consensus from reading the thread, but I'd like to see the results.

[it-goes-to-eleven]

The results don't appear until you've voted. If you didn't vote before the poll is locked, I'm not sure what happens but they display for me.

[Gutbucket]

The results don't appear until you've voted.

That's as it should be.

If you didn't vote before the poll is locked, I'm not sure what happens but they display for me.

I didn't get a chance to listen & vote before lockage.  It appears the results are then permanently unavailable for non-voters.  Hey helpful admins, I'd like to suggest making the results appear for everyone once a poll is locked if possible.  I can't think of a good reason why not.

[firebaugh]

Do the results dissapear once the poll is locked?  I know the general consensus from reading the thread, but I'd like to see the results.

I prefer A     - 5 (22.7%)
I prefer B    - 14 (63.6%)
I like both cannot tell the difference    - 2 (9.1%)
I like both I can tell the difference    - 0 (0%)
Don't like any sound    - 1 (4.5%)
   
Total Voters: 22