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Re: Need XY Set Up (Schoeps)
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2017, 11:00:17 PM »
Got a few of these myself Charlie use them onstage at Winstons.quite a bit
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Re: Need XY Set Up (Schoeps)
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2017, 12:08:35 AM »
Schoeps MK4/41/41v @ 70°>R05

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Re: Need XY Set Up (Schoeps)
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2017, 01:15:21 AM »
If size or cost is not an issue... 

Vark Bar/darktrain Bar/followinbob Bar (choose your maker)
Riser(s)
2 Rycote Invision shock mounts

Vark Bar:  https://id33157.securedata.net/varkaudio.com/merchantmanager/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=stereo+bar&mmsid=042804514c1057c40635f2e116ac9403&x=0&y=0

darktrain bars in two sizes:  http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=115017.0 
(I don't think that darktrain has made these in a while..  he made two sizes...  I don't run XY, but I prefer the larger size.)  (He supplied risers also)  (Put a ISO in the YS maybe.)

followinbob bar (aluminum) in two sizes:  http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=162285.0
followinbob bar (Vark style):  http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=164502.0
followinbob risers:  http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=163089.0

Rycote Invision INV-HG mkIII shock mounts:  https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/880280-REG/Rycote_041118_INV_8_Microphone_Suspension.html  This is B&H's site, but many vendors carry them.

I have not used any of the followinbob bars/risers...  but he makes quality stuff. 
I have used both Vark Bar and darktrain Bars/risers and they are fantastic.
I am not sure of the availability of any of these items..  but an ISO in the YS might help if needed.

or

Shure A27M:  https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=details&O=&Q=&ap=y&c3api=1876%2C%7Bcreative%7D%2C%7Bkeyword%7D&gclid=Cj0KCQjw8vnMBRDgARIsACm_BhKo3OuGjtsGt1AxcDBra4ZcqsoABntOpWxug9gi777l6WHBau9US7YaAoOeEALw_wcB&is=REG&m=Y&sku=68616  This is B&H's site, but many vendors carry this.

2 Schoeps A20 (or knock offs) shock mounts:  https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=details&O=&Q=&ap=y&c3api=1876%2C%7Bcreative%7D%2C%7Bkeyword%7D&gclid=Cj0KCQjw8vnMBRDgARIsACm_BhL-45XEGHcozeuDXIjeyygOF46YIoNjkN4rBsze7ApsODplfq_DPT8aApnKEALw_wcB&is=REG&m=Y&sku=386430 This is B&H's site, but many vendors carry them.
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Re: Need XY Set Up (Schoeps)
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2017, 01:21:58 AM »
The Grace Design Spacebar is pretty dreamy too... 

http://www.gracedesign.com/products/spacebar/spacebar_stereo.html



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Re: Need XY Set Up (Schoeps)
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2017, 11:43:06 AM »
The Schoeps bar is straight up sexy, as is that grace bar. I think I have the info needed. Thanks. I like the idea of having a bar that allows me to use the Schoeps shock mount.
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Re: Need XY Set Up (Schoeps)
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2017, 12:13:18 PM »
Just bought the Shure A27M. Once again, thank you for all the responses. This place rocks. Always has. Always will.
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Re: Need XY Set Up (Schoeps)
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2017, 12:18:39 PM »
Charlie,

The 3D printed mounts from Shapeways are extremely sturdy and offer an accurate representation of the various mic configs offered (X/Y, DIN, DINa, ORTF, etc...).  The designer of these mounts, Scott Shepherd, is a longtime Schoeps user and he can produce anything for you that your heart desires.  I have mounts from Scott for Schoeps, Gefell, DPA and Milab microphones and they are perfect in every way.  I highly recommend Scott's product line of microphone mounts.

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Re: Need XY Set Up (Schoeps)
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2017, 12:38:27 PM »
Charlie,

The 3D printed mounts from Shapeways are extremely sturdy and offer an accurate representation of the various mic configs offered (X/Y, DIN, DINa, ORTF, etc...).  The designer of these mounts, Scott Shepherd, is a longtime Schoeps user and he can produce anything for you that your heart desires.  I have mounts from Scott for Schoeps, Gefell, DPA and Milab microphones and they are perfect in every way.  I highly recommend Scott's product line of microphone mounts.

David


I plan on getting Scott's too. I like the idea of having the option to use my Schoeps shockmounts when needed.
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Re: Need XY Set Up (Schoeps)
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2017, 01:38:31 PM »
Just bought the Shure A27M. Once again, thank you for all the responses. This place rocks. Always has. Always will.
Charlie, We own a Shure A27M. The thread inside allows you more flexibility than you might think. This is a high quality product; our only downside with it is weight in the bag (which isn't THAT heavy, but...). When we stopped running solely coincident we stopped carrying it in the bag.
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Re: Need XY Set Up (Schoeps)
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2017, 04:53:38 PM »
Just bought the Shure A27M. Once again, thank you for all the responses. This place rocks. Always has. Always will.
Charlie, We own a Shure A27M. The thread inside allows you more flexibility than you might think. This is a high quality product; our only downside with it is weight in the bag (which isn't THAT heavy, but...). When we stopped running solely coincident we stopped carrying it in the bag.
Sorry I didn't see this sooner. This is exactly why my A27M has never been used- I think the thing weighs almost as much as my stand (got it with a pair of KSM137's). I now have 4 of Scott's 3D-printed mounts and still haven't approached 1/8 of the A27M's weight. The 3D printed mounts are much more durable than I expected- you can ignore the "decorative" disclaimer.

The A27M is very well designed but I'm old-- bad knees, badder back. So keeping it as light as possible is important to me, YMWV.
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Re: Need XY Set Up (Schoeps)
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2017, 05:53:35 PM »
Shure A27M is great onstage.  The thing is totally bullet-proof.  You can take the center axle out and flip the center segments around for more mic clearance if you ever want to use bigger LD mics.  The only fidgety thing is getting the angle right via the combination of hinged mic mounts and rotating A27M center segments - but that allows for adjustment to whatever X/Y angle you want.   It's solid steel and seemingly weighs a ton however, making it rather top-heavy atop a tall stand, especially with heavy LD mics.  For that reason I only use it on-stage down low where the weight helps keep it anchored.

Haven't used Shapeways 3D-printed stuff, but those mounts are lightweight, simple and quite sturdy from everything I've seen of them.  Unlike the A27M, each mount is dedicated to a single setup.  So X/Y is always 90-degrees, not 110 or 120 or whatever unless you have another one for that dedicated angle, although I suppose you might be able to use the 90-degree X/Y full-body mic mount backwards for DIN.
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Re: Need XY Set Up (Schoeps)
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2017, 08:30:34 PM »
Well I'll have both here this week. I'm working this. Will try them out then.

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The box with the Shure mount is 2lbs.
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Re: Need XY Set Up (Schoeps)
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2017, 10:33:07 PM »
Shure A27M is great onstage.  The thing is totally bullet-proof.  You can take the center axle out and flip the center segments around for more mic clearance if you ever want to use bigger LD mics.  The only fidgety thing is getting the angle right via the combination of hinged mic mounts and rotating A27M center segments - but that allows for adjustment to whatever X/Y angle you want.   It's solid steel and seemingly weighs a ton however, making it rather top-heavy atop a tall stand, especially with heavy LD mics.  For that reason I only use it on-stage down low where the weight helps keep it anchored.

Haven't used Shapeways 3D-printed stuff, but those mounts are lightweight, simple and quite sturdy from everything I've seen of them.  Unlike the A27M, each mount is dedicated to a single setup.  So X/Y is always 90-degrees, not 110 or 120 or whatever unless you have another one for that dedicated angle, although I suppose you might be able to use the 90-degree X/Y full-body mic mount backwards for DIN.

That's precisely why some of us use the mk4v and mk41v- In the Shapeways 3D mounts of all kinds, the spacing is fixed, but the angle is infinite.

Charlie- sell your mic bodies!! Buy nbob cables> naiant pfa's for less $$$$ and more flexibility. The mounting options alone make getting your microphones into the right spot in the right configuration.
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Re: Need XY Set Up (Schoeps)
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2017, 11:04:06 PM »
Shure A27M is great onstage.  The thing is totally bullet-proof.  You can take the center axle out and flip the center segments around for more mic clearance if you ever want to use bigger LD mics.  The only fidgety thing is getting the angle right via the combination of hinged mic mounts and rotating A27M center segments - but that allows for adjustment to whatever X/Y angle you want.   It's solid steel and seemingly weighs a ton however, making it rather top-heavy atop a tall stand, especially with heavy LD mics.  For that reason I only use it on-stage down low where the weight helps keep it anchored.

Haven't used Shapeways 3D-printed stuff, but those mounts are lightweight, simple and quite sturdy from everything I've seen of them.  Unlike the A27M, each mount is dedicated to a single setup.  So X/Y is always 90-degrees, not 110 or 120 or whatever unless you have another one for that dedicated angle, although I suppose you might be able to use the 90-degree X/Y full-body mic mount backwards for DIN.

That's precisely why some of us use the mk4v and mk41v- In the Shapeways 3D mounts of all kinds, the spacing is fixed, but the angle is infinite.

Charlie- sell your mic bodies!! Buy nbob cables> naiant pfa's for less $$$$ and more flexibility. The mounting options alone make getting your microphones into the right spot in the right configuration.

I sold my actives years ago. I'm staying with full bodies since I'm able to do everything I need, plus I just bought a bunch of stuff for the full bodies.
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Re: Need XY Set Up (Schoeps)
« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2017, 11:46:36 PM »
As much as I dig (and support) all of the "local TS" gear makers and all of the gear that they produce...  I can't imagine any professional recording engineer trusting a "new-ish" piece of gear that is not manufactured by a professional source. 
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