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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 4
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2017, 08:01:47 PM »
From the previous thread, I always liked running hot too.

Has anyone got a new MP_ and not liked it for fr one reason or another that you sent it back/sold it?
Or didn't get rid of it but are using you old gear instead?

For all you guys running hot, two questions:

1. Are you using the limiters?
2. Bt what means are you bringing up the levels in post to compare?

Obviously your experience is your own, but are you sure the only variable is more gain in the preamp?
no limiters for me.
When I ran hotter then I do now, it was with a UA-5 w/SVU > MT (normally). I did t really have anything to compare it to because I didn't have a second rig. But if I needed to do anything in post it was with Audacity.
Since I now have two rigs...
Tb > m10 and Dr-60d (which I also run in dual mode so kinda a third "rig")
I have not been running as hot with the tb > m10 rig because it's harder to adjust the levels bit with the Dr-60d I run with peaks around -6 and then the dual drops it down to -12. I would run closer to 0/-6 but the meters are not as good as the SVU.
All that said, I def felt the UA-5 rig sounded better hot and not adding in post.  The tb rig I think is more hit or miss and the dr-60d I don't hear much difference.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 4
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2017, 10:30:34 PM »
^ This^

The only explanation I can muster for your experience and preferring the "hotter" version is the use of limiters and the preference for the effect they add.

No limiters. Here's a good example. The first six seconds were "hot". I regret turning the gain down 6dbs at the six second mark. I should have left it. The only post processing I did was to try and make the transition visually seamless on the wave by bringing everything up to match the first six seconds. I accomplished that. But as you can tell, it doesn't SOUND the same. Not as rich as the extra bits captured by running "hot".

https://archive.org/details/JohnMayer2013-07-12.dpa4028.flac24/JohnMayer2013-07-12.dpa4028.t02.flac
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 4
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2017, 12:42:29 AM »
Just wanted to post back, seems like this charger and cable power the MixPre-6 perfectly:

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Delivery-Charger-PowerPort-Samsung/dp/B06Y427WT7

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071XYBPMN

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 4
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2017, 07:14:45 PM »
Apologies if this has been posted already. I searched, but didn't see it: Portabrace for the MixPre-6.

No limiters. Here's a good example. The first six seconds were "hot". I regret turning the gain down 6dbs at the six second mark. I should have left it. The only post processing I did was to try and make the transition visually seamless on the wave by bringing everything up to match the first six seconds. I accomplished that. But as you can tell, it doesn't SOUND the same. Not as rich as the extra bits captured by running "hot".

https://archive.org/details/JohnMayer2013-07-12.dpa4028.flac24/JohnMayer2013-07-12.dpa4028.t02.flac

I don't think you are really capturing any extra bits (or a bit, really, at ~ 6 dB) of content. Kind of switching a bit of noise for a bit of headroom. I think it sounds "better" because it is still a lot louder, which makes for a big perceptual difference in quality, plus maybe a bit of comfirmation bias. Some gear might sound better at one gain settiing compared to another, but, personally, I don't think this example shows that and it's not a MixPre-6/3 either. Hard to compare across equipment probably. YMMV and whatnot...

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 4
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2017, 07:42:30 PM »
^ This^

The only explanation I can muster for your experience and preferring the "hotter" version is the use of limiters and the preference for the effect they add.

No limiters. Here's a good example. The first six seconds were "hot". I regret turning the gain down 6dbs at the six second mark. I should have left it. The only post processing I did was to try and make the transition visually seamless on the wave by bringing everything up to match the first six seconds. I accomplished that. But as you can tell, it doesn't SOUND the same. Not as rich as the extra bits captured by running "hot".

https://archive.org/details/JohnMayer2013-07-12.dpa4028.flac24/JohnMayer2013-07-12.dpa4028.t02.flac

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 4
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2017, 08:55:19 PM »
^ This^

The only explanation I can muster for your experience and preferring the "hotter" version is the use of limiters and the preference for the effect they add.

No limiters. Here's a good example. The first six seconds were "hot". I regret turning the gain down 6dbs at the six second mark. I should have left it. The only post processing I did was to try and make the transition visually seamless on the wave by bringing everything up to match the first six seconds. I accomplished that. But as you can tell, it doesn't SOUND the same. Not as rich as the extra bits captured by running "hot".

https://archive.org/details/JohnMayer2013-07-12.dpa4028.flac24/JohnMayer2013-07-12.dpa4028.t02.flac
now if you boost it up 6db and compare do you hear a difference
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 4
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2017, 08:07:18 AM »
^ This^

The only explanation I can muster for your experience and preferring the "hotter" version is the use of limiters and the preference for the effect they add.

No limiters. Here's a good example. The first six seconds were "hot". I regret turning the gain down 6dbs at the six second mark. I should have left it. The only post processing I did was to try and make the transition visually seamless on the wave by bringing everything up to match the first six seconds. I accomplished that. But as you can tell, it doesn't SOUND the same. Not as rich as the extra bits captured by running "hot".

https://archive.org/details/JohnMayer2013-07-12.dpa4028.flac24/JohnMayer2013-07-12.dpa4028.t02.flac

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Asking for donations or "tips" is crossing the line. You should take that down immediately. If you are asking for donations for the Archive that's a different matter entirely but if you are asking for yourself - that's terrible.

It's been 4 years - can't believe no one caught this and called you out for it until now. Or that you are still doing it  > https://archive.org/details/JohnMayer2017-07-27.dpa4023.744.flac24

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 4
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2017, 11:59:20 AM »
^ This^

The only explanation I can muster for your experience and preferring the "hotter" version is the use of limiters and the preference for the effect they add.

No limiters. Here's a good example. The first six seconds were "hot". I regret turning the gain down 6dbs at the six second mark. I should have left it. The only post processing I did was to try and make the transition visually seamless on the wave by bringing everything up to match the first six seconds. I accomplished that. But as you can tell, it doesn't SOUND the same. Not as rich as the extra bits captured by running "hot".

https://archive.org/details/JohnMayer2013-07-12.dpa4028.flac24/JohnMayer2013-07-12.dpa4028.t02.flac

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 4
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2017, 03:01:15 PM »
Let's try not to derail this thread with the "tips" issue. Just report his recordings with the tips note in them. I reported JohnMayer2013-07-12.dpa4028.flac24 as spam/scam/fraud.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 4
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2017, 03:11:22 PM »
so I guess starting a gofundme page to help pay for travel and tickets to shows in exchange for a tape is out of the question?

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 4
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2017, 11:49:59 AM »
The lack of a hold button got me at the onset of the 2nd set last night. 

I set levels and laid the recorder so that I could see it on stage from the front row.  I must've hit the stop button when I pushed it away from the stage lip because there is a minute or two of sound and then it just stops.  From my seat I could see levels were perfect so I never walked back up to check.  I did open Wingman but I must've had BT off because it would not see the device. 

It is a friggin' shame too because the band pulled all amplification for the final 2 songs and played into my mics on stage.  UGH!
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 4
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2017, 11:40:13 AM »
New firmware MixPre Series Firmware v1.20

https://www.sounddevices.com/support/downloads/mixpres-firmware

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 4
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2017, 11:57:04 AM »
New firmware MixPre Series Firmware v1.20

https://www.sounddevices.com/support/downloads/mixpres-firmware

"The MixPre-6 now features 4-channel linking, ideal for surround recording."

Can someone explain why this would be useful for me?  I typically run a cardiod pair and a MS pair.  The two are never close to being the same levels, really ever, especially the mid and side channels.  Why would I want to control gain on 4 mis-matched channels by just spinning a single knob?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 4
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2017, 12:05:01 PM »
You wouldn't. But I can think of at least two reasons this would be very useful:

1) Using a Soundfield, tetramic or other 4 channel microphone. These need to have consistent levels across all 4 channels to insure proper stereo decoding.

2) Running multiple stereo (not m/s) pairs of microphones of the same company. I might use this to run my schoeps mk41v hypercard and mk3 omni pairs, to insure that the levels will be matched across all channels. That way I can control levels on both pairs with a single knob.

New firmware MixPre Series Firmware v1.20

https://www.sounddevices.com/support/downloads/mixpres-firmware

"The MixPre-6 now features 4-channel linking, ideal for surround recording."

Can someone explain why this would be useful for me?  I typically run a cardiod pair and a MS pair.  The two are never close to being the same levels, really ever, especially the mid and side channels.  Why would I want to control gain on 4 mis-matched channels by just spinning a single knob?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 4
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2017, 12:06:13 PM »
From the release notes, this would appear to allow the much clamored for channel linking (also two channel) with front knob gain control!

 

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