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Value of antique Edioson record player?
« on: November 07, 2017, 10:12:17 AM »
OK, saw this on a neighborhood app. Any of the resident gurus care to venture a guess on the value? They are asking $200. I know nothing about this stuff, but would hate to not consider it only to find out that it's a unicorn.

Here's the description:

"original finish in good condition . I was told to leave it that way. Works great , I even bought more records. I paid 250. + records. It's about 5 foot tall 1'9" wide and same deep .I love it but no longer have room for it. P.m. me if you are serious. Have a great day."
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Re: Value of antique Edioson record player?
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 10:27:36 AM »
Well, they called it an "Edioson". Google reveals nothing. Guess they meant Edison?
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Re: Value of antique Edioson record player?
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2017, 11:26:59 AM »
Well, they called it an "Edioson". Google reveals nothing. Guess they meant Edison?

Moke would probably be a good person to ask.
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Re: Value of antique Edioson record player?
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2017, 01:10:23 PM »
Looks like an Edison Model C19/250 phonograph.  Not too bad shape.  But you couldn't get much more than the $200 he's asking for it.  That might be a little high too depending on where you are located since they are really common on the East Coast.
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Re: Value of antique Edioson record player?
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2017, 01:59:06 PM »
They don't go for all that much, unless in exquisite condition; then still not as much as you'd think.
Record killers, imo.
I have a *ton of pristine 78's (*literal - probably multiples).  I built a dedicated player for them from "more modern" equipment; meaning early 50's electronics, with a lighter tracking tonearm/cartridge combo.
The windup feature, while fun at first, won't be fun for all that long. Its nice to throw a power switch, and then run a constant speed.
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Re: Value of antique Edioson record player?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2017, 02:05:50 PM »
Oh yeah,... eBay has steel needles available for the arm. They're sold in small bulk lots. You'll need to change them out very frequently to keep from causing groove damage.
The steel needles come in a variety of hardness factors that can increase or decrease the amplitude, and or, effect "EQ"-like changes in playback.
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Re: Value of antique Edioson record player?
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2017, 02:23:27 PM »
Thanks guys!!!
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Re: Value of antique Edioson record player?
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2017, 10:50:03 PM »
That was a fair price and should be fun. However, Edison was a linear tracker and big advocate for cylinder playback systems but Columbia beat him out. It was the first VHS v. Beta Max battle and another example of how convenience won out over sound.
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Re: Value of antique Edioson record player?
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2017, 08:21:07 AM »
That was a fair price and should be fun. However, Edison was a linear tracker and big advocate for cylinder playback systems but RCA Victor beat him out. It was the first VHS v. Beta Max battle and another example of how convenience won out over sound.

I keep looking at it an almost think it would be worth it for the decorative/conversation piece value alone
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Re: Value of antique Edioson record player?
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2017, 09:44:38 AM »
They can make great project boxes.

Now, I'm not suggesting, or advocating the destruction of a complete functional unit here, just giving some ideas,...
I found this radiogram cabinet on CL.  It is an Art-Deco cabinet that I found a built date on of March 1932
I went and bought it, despite it being in a crazed cat hoarders house, with an indoor population of feral cats.
When I got it, it was filled with cat kibble, and had been used as a nesting box. IT smelled like cat piss, and had urine stains on the grill cloth.
The tonearm literally tracked at 8 ounces (typical is 1.5->3grams or under 1/8 ounce), with steel needles.  The TT was hand wound, and needed to be wound between discs. The integrated tube/radio amplifier has shorted out, and smoked the circuit traces.
Mine: perfect candidate for a resto-mod.

I stripped it of its components, gutted it out, used a biological urine cleaner (that totally worked), and I started looking towards a refitting with more "modern" components.
I cannot tell you how many people turned against this project,.... "Oh, no,... you're going to destroy a piece of audio history",... blah blah blah. Ultimately, these same people came to celebrate the end result when it was presented.

I knew I was going to do a project like this; So, for two years prior, I had been purchasing components, but not really sure how it was all going to work out, come together. I kept searching for a candidate cabinet.
My components were of mostly professional radio broadcast gear of the early 50's, and an early HarmanKardon mono integrated tube amp (mid-50's model).
The TT is by Presto Recording Corp of Paramus NJ. Presto was the worlds leading radio broadcast gear manufacturer.  THe tonearm is early General Electric radio arm, and the arm has its desgined for cartridge, the GE RPX Triple-Play (33/45/78 on turn-around cantilever), and the GE VRII, as well as a vintage Stanton cartridge and various era proper styl (1mil and 3mil)i.

I now call her Audrey, my dedicated mono console.
She has a modern coaxial onboard speaker in the cabinet. But, I also run her on an early 50's General Electric A1-400 coaxial corner speaker (corner speaker in last image below. Under the Ink Spots LP cover)

These can make wonderful project boxes.
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Re: Value of antique Edioson record player?
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2017, 09:58:20 AM »
This is the Vactrola
It is a record cleaning machine that I built from a gutted Victrola cabinet that was destined for the dump.
It had a fractured leg that was not totally broken, but, was just at the verge of breaking off.  It had also been covered in fine roller spatter from blue oil-based enamel, from when it wasn't covered during a paint job.
The right lid was the TT bay. The left lid was nailed and glued closed at the factory; i had to carefully cut around the lid perimeter with a handheld hacksaw blade in order to free the left lid up. Once I freed that lid up, I had to cut the cabinet to fit a piano hinge for the lid, and create lid support hardware to hold the lid up.

I installed two platters. The left platter is free spinning, manually turned, wet cleaning platter. The right platter is motor driven at 6rpm. There is a VPI vacuum wand stanchion added, to vacuum off the wet cleaning residue.

These things make great project boxes!
This is the Vactrola build thread: http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/the-vactrola-a-diy-rcm.319179/
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Re: Value of antique Edioson record player?
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2017, 10:19:42 AM »
I just picked this beauty up at the thrift store a week ago.  It found me, while helping to unload the thrift store pick-up/delivery box truck. I got it for the unloading effort, essentially as a gift from the thrift store, for my labor.
Sarge has fallen in love with the cabinet.
It is a complete Bendix 847b Superheterodyne Phonograph Frequency Modulation Radio from 1947

My plan,...
When the California wildfire season finally backs off, and the green grasses cover the hills, I might take it outside into the gravel, and try to plug it in, and see if it actually powers up.
Even if it does, I'm very likely going to retrofit it with a late 50's Bogen-Presto B60 TT that I have (four speed idler drive, by Lenco, rebadged as B-P). And, in all likeliness, I'll discretely fit a modern class-D digital chip amp, like this, as an integrated amp w/ bluetooth, and SD card slot. In essence, make this into a modern era juke box, with a newer high quality record player, for Sarge. I can load the SD card up with transfers of my 78 collection, and play them back that way.
She doesn't know this is the plan, so,....shhh.

The top two pics: mine
The bottom two pics are one that I found on Craiglist that had been gutted of tubes and speaker; and had been refinished. Asking $175 as is.
So, I'm thinking about refinishing the exterior, and discretely retrofitting a modern TPA chip amp in it to make it a functional quality stereo console.

These can make great project boxes.
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Re: Value of antique Edioson record player?
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2017, 11:42:21 AM »
Wow. Very cool!!
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2017, 02:05:19 PM »
Those are all very cool!!!!!!!

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Re: Value of antique Edioson record player?
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2017, 02:23:38 PM »
Thanks guys.

Raymonda,
As a TT tweaker, you can appreciate the build of Audrey, the mono console.
I built a multi-leaf birch plywood massive theory plinth for the TT, likely 6 layers of 18mm/.70" ply, and fit it within the confines of the cabinet. It is a suspended design to isolate the TT from the cabinet, suspended on four points of "Supernal"-type rubber balls.  I gave the cabinet extensive seismic testing with its onboard speaker, with both suspended and non-suspended plinth TT's on the closed cabinet lid.  The cabinet revealed feedback, and, revealed that I needed to build a suspended plinth.
The birch ply plinth extends from just below the 1/16" copper top plate, to just above the amplifier opening. It is suspended by an inner shelf that is the base of the rubber ball suspension that the plinth sits on.
In post-building testing,... I can run the new amplifier and TT at 11, and not get any feedback.

First pic is the birch ply plinth inside the cabinet.
The second pic shows the plinth (black), and the isolation shelf inside the cabinet. You can see the superball suspension in between the base shelf and the plinth.
The lower black shelf is the amplifier shelf base.
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