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Primo caps and Nakamichi 700's
« on: March 07, 2007, 01:57:08 PM »
Last night I had a guy tell me that Primo also made and still makes the caps for the 700's. This true? I knew they made the CP1 and CP2 caps for the 100/300's, but not the CP701, CP702's.

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Re: Primo caps and Nakamichi 700's
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2007, 02:08:46 PM »
Last night I had a guy tell me that Primo also made and still makes the caps for the 700's. This true? I knew they made the CP1 and CP2 caps for the 100/300's, but not the CP701, CP702's.

The capsules used for the Nak mics were
EM-21, EM-23, EM-68 AND EM-135

These have also been used by TOA, TEAC, CROWN, Audio Technica and a few other brands including Pearl electronics.

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Re: Primo caps and Nakamichi 700's
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2007, 02:15:30 PM »
Just to clarify that a little.  They were used by the cheap japanese mic company Pearl, not the high end Swedish company Pearl.
"That was back in a time when society was not quite ready for this music. Anyone remember those days? That's when punk rock was dangerous, right?  You couldn't walk into a mall and get your little pussy pierced, and your little Doc Martin boots and your crazy color for your hair.  You walk down the street with blue hair you was gonna get in a fight with about 5 angry construction workers, or the local college football team, rednecks or cops. Sometimes they kicked our ass, but you know what?  Sometimes we beat the fuck out of em"  - Mike Ness, Social Distortion

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Re: Primo caps and Nakamichi 700's
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2007, 02:21:08 PM »
Just to clarify that a little.  They were used by the cheap japanese mic company Pearl, not the high end Swedish company Pearl.

Yes the cheap Japanese company that actually made some good microphones.. The swedish company I am not 100% sure about I know there high end mics are very good though.

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Re: Primo caps and Nakamichi 700's
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2007, 02:30:12 PM »
The Swedish company makes incredible mics.  Ive used some of their LD mics for a few things and they are very detailed and quiet. 
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Re: Primo caps and Nakamichi 700's
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2007, 02:33:09 PM »
Any of those caps for the 700's/ My original question.

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Re: Primo caps and Nakamichi 700's
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2007, 02:50:39 PM »
I lifted this from a datheads post from about 5 years ago. It is answering a question with a question but it does provide some info. Very interesting...hope this sheds a little light.

From: Tom Haughton <unbroken@comcast.net>
Subject: nak. cm-50 info?
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 21:56:40 -0400

  I recently acquired a nak. cm-50 miniature mic w/cp-3 capsule. The capsule
itself measures 1/2" dia. and 17/32" long when removed from the "barrel"
(entire cap/barrel combo is 1 5/16" lg.) I am aware that nakamichi made a
cp-3 capsule, I thought for the cm-300, but that's a larger diameter capsule
than this, is it not? It measures the same diameter as the cp-701 omni cap
for my brother's cm-700s, and would appear to be of that lineage, but I
thought the 700 caps were designated " cp-701, cp-702," etc...It has a 6'
cable from the mic to a combined battery holder/electronic packege/1/4" plug
ass'y...and has a mic clip mounted on a tie clip. It appears for all the
world to be a factory nak stealth mic! I've tested it, and it is certainly a
full-range mic, noticeably warmer and smoother that an a-t stereo mic, the
only thing I have to compare it with, and seemingly an omni cap, though I've
heard the cp-3 cap described as both a hypercardioid and "super-omni
pinpoint" mic...what gives? any help with any of these questions would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Tom

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Re: Primo caps and Nakamichi 700's
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2007, 02:54:58 PM »
I lifted this from a datheads post from about 5 years ago. It is answering a question with a question but it does provide some info. Very interesting...hope this sheds a little light.

From: Tom Haughton <unbroken@comcast.net>
Subject: nak. cm-50 info?
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 21:56:40 -0400

  I recently acquired a nak. cm-50 miniature mic w/cp-3 capsule. The capsule
itself measures 1/2" dia. and 17/32" long when removed from the "barrel"
(entire cap/barrel combo is 1 5/16" lg.) I am aware that nakamichi made a
cp-3 capsule, I thought for the cm-300, but that's a larger diameter capsule
than this, is it not? It measures the same diameter as the cp-701 omni cap
for my brother's cm-700s, and would appear to be of that lineage, but I
thought the 700 caps were designated " cp-701, cp-702," etc...It has a 6'
cable from the mic to a combined battery holder/electronic packege/1/4" plug
ass'y...and has a mic clip mounted on a tie clip. It appears for all the
world to be a factory nak stealth mic! I've tested it, and it is certainly a
full-range mic, noticeably warmer and smoother that an a-t stereo mic, the
only thing I have to compare it with, and seemingly an omni cap, though I've
heard the cp-3 cap described as both a hypercardioid and "super-omni
pinpoint" mic...what gives? any help with any of these questions would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Tom


That capsule the same ones I just sold is a very directional "omni" cap it uses a phase plug in the front of it. I assume because this capsule actually started out as a measurement microphone that Primo made it more directional in an attempt to reduce the impact of the surroundings on the acoustic measurement. Thats all I can say for sure. I would say that all of the capsules used in Nak mics were primo mics and none of them were OEM. At one time or another all of these primo caps were for sale to the general public.
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Re: Primo caps and Nakamichi 700's
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2007, 02:55:45 PM »
Any of those caps for the 700's/ My original question.

If you show me a picture of the back side of the 700 series capsule I can tell you 100% for sure if Primo still makes it.


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Re: Primo caps and Nakamichi 700's
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2007, 03:25:58 PM »
So, it is possible that the same cap used in the cm-50 was also the omni for the 700 series?

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Re: Primo caps and Nakamichi 700's
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2007, 03:37:26 PM »

 I would say that all of the capsules used in Nak mics were primo mics and none of them were OEM.


Just to clarify a bit, the CM-1000 mics and capsules are the only ones in the line to have been built entirely by Nakamichi.  Of course, they're the only Naks that are actually numbered as well.  Apparently, some of the 100/300/700 capsules were built by Nakamichi as well.  This is all according to Stephen Sank.  For the latters, I do not have a clue as to how to tell the difference between Nak's build vs. Primo's. 

Out of my four 700 capsules (2 card, 2 omni), one of them looks to be different than the others (according to the back of the capsule). 

I can take pictures when I get home from work if there's interest.

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Re: Primo caps and Nakamichi 700's
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2007, 04:04:18 PM »

 I would say that all of the capsules used in Nak mics were primo mics and none of them were OEM.


Just to clarify a bit, the CM-1000 mics and capsules are the only ones in the line to have been built entirely by Nakamichi.  Of course, they're the only Naks that are actually numbered as well.  Apparently, some of the 100/300/700 capsules were built by Nakamichi as well.  This is all according to Stephen Sank.  For the latters, I do not have a clue as to how to tell the difference between Nak's build vs. Primo's. 

Out of my four 700 capsules (2 card, 2 omni), one of them looks to be different than the others (according to the back of the capsule). 

I can take pictures when I get home from work if there's interest.

I would like to see pictures of the Nak 1000 capsule and any of the Nak capsules you have. Just so I can figure a few things out.

Thanks...

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Re: Primo caps and Nakamichi 700's
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2007, 04:16:13 PM »
I found some pics that I took of the CM-1000/CP-101(card cap):
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,67635.msg909501.html#msg909501

I'll take come pics of the 700 caps when I get home...

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Re: Primo caps and Nakamichi 700's
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2007, 04:20:39 PM »
I found some pics that I took of the CM-1000/CP-101(card cap):
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,67635.msg909501.html#msg909501

I'll take come pics of the 700 caps when I get home...

That NAK 1000 cap is made by Primo its an OEM version of the em 23 cardioid cap they changed a few things but there is one dead give away the phase plug in front of the capsule is 100% primo engineering. Primo OEM'S things for everyone at one time or another this Nak 1000 cap has a gold sputtered diaphragm Primo never made that for the general public but they did make it for Nak.
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Re: Primo caps and Nakamichi 700's
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2007, 04:23:26 PM »
I found some pics that I took of the CM-1000/CP-101(card cap):
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,67635.msg909501.html#msg909501

I'll take come pics of the 700 caps when I get home...

That NAK 1000 cap is made by Primo its an OEM version of the em 23 cardioid cap they changed a few things but there is one dead give away the phase plug in front of the capsule is 100% primo engineering.


There's two different caps in those pictures....the top is from a cm300.  The bottom two are from the 1000.  Is that the one you're referring to?


edit- The em23 is clearly the cm300 line of capsule.  And therefore, is an electret.  The 1k caps are not electret.  In shape/size they appear to be similar to the 300s (and the 300s do appparently fit onto the 1k bodies) but are indeed different.
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