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Title: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on December 19, 2008, 12:18:12 AM
The last three weeks 6 months!  ::) of any gestation is always the hardest... 

Here's the last page of part II 

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,108569.msg1532693.html#msg1532693
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on December 19, 2008, 06:28:50 AM
Got the Blue prototype panel issues resolved with the factory...

Presenting.... TS-2 Mic Preamp - True Blue Version

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2354/2925658061_788a045971_o.jpg)


Just checking in and hoping for a "True Blue" 2009...

 :headphones:





Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: rich on December 19, 2008, 09:59:16 PM
looks like the TS-2 will not be ready for release prior to NYE...oh well, had my hopes set on running this for WSP. 

rich
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Colin Liston on December 20, 2008, 09:26:21 AM
Checking in....
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: silentmark on December 22, 2008, 12:51:17 PM
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Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: rePat on December 22, 2008, 02:39:31 PM
ping New.TS2.preamp.thread ............
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: rowjimmy on December 22, 2008, 02:48:23 PM
ping New.TS2.preamp.thread ............
pong

I could look at this image all day:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2354/2925658061_788a045971_o.jpg)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: a-dub on December 22, 2008, 05:41:13 PM
Man that is a sexy looking preamp.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: taylordb on January 01, 2009, 10:48:09 PM
Has this thing died?  There was so much hype running up to the initial offering......and then nothing?  Has anyone received one of these?
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on January 02, 2009, 12:11:21 PM
I wouldn't call it hype, but a good bit of interplay between designer and end users.  FF is probably still juggling 4 balls at once.  I can juggle 3 and that's hard enough.  When he's ready to vend he will undoubtedly post here. 
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: stevetoney on January 02, 2009, 02:59:29 PM
Given this post that FFD made on November 1 (linked below), I have to wonder if there will ever be more than one production run on the TS-2.  If the guy's got no incentive to make the product, financial or otherwise, then I'm not sure if we should ever expect to see much more on this.

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,108569.msg1503453.html#msg1503453
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: willndmb on January 03, 2009, 07:36:21 PM
i thought he already had people money for the 1st run
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on January 03, 2009, 09:15:40 PM
i thought he already had people money for the 1st run

No, FiveFish did NOT want money up front.  He was very clear about that.  He did compile a "waiting list" for the 1st run though.  Be patient fellows.  I'm sure that we will enjoy the finished product when FF is ready to release it.  Thank you FF!

 ;D

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Kevin Straker on January 08, 2009, 08:54:59 AM
I'm sure it's been discussed, but who runs a signal to +17?
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Todd R on January 08, 2009, 10:53:58 AM
I'm sure it's been discussed, but who runs a signal to +17?

I do all the time, you probably do to.  The V3 puts out like 24-25dbu on the analog outputs when the digital output is at 0dbFS.  So unless you run your V3 very, very low into the 722, you'll easily put out 12-17dbu.

When I ran V3(digi) > Sony D50 and also ran V3(analog) > 722/702 at the same time, I usually shot for digital peaks on the D50 at -6dbFS to -3dbFS, so at that point I'd be sending ~20dbu to the 722/702.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Kevin Straker on January 08, 2009, 04:27:50 PM
I'm sure it's been discussed, but who runs a signal to +17?

I do all the time, you probably do to.  The V3 puts out like 24-25dbu on the analog outputs when the digital output is at 0dbFS.  So unless you run your V3 very, very low into the 722, you'll easily put out 12-17dbu.

When I ran V3(digi) > Sony D50 and also ran V3(analog) > 722/702 at the same time, I usually shot for digital peaks on the D50 at -6dbFS to -3dbFS, so at that point I'd be sending ~20dbu to the 722/702.
Gotcha. Didn't think of it that way. I'd like to see how this thing sounds.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: fivefishdiy on January 09, 2009, 02:31:24 PM
Hello all... (and thanks OCanis for starting a new thread )

This is embarrassing... I thought I'll get it done by Thanksgiving but life, sickness, Christmas, family activities, new product launches happened.  Other priorities happened, and TS-2 got pushed off my overflowing plate. 

Here's the story...

The economy tanked last October and November, and one day I checked my account balance and it was a shock. I overspent on inventory and R&D relying on sales to fund my R&D.... and then suddenly orders just stopped during that whole bailout/AIG/bankruptcy/layoff news that was all over the place.  People got scared and just stopped buying.

I was stuck... little funds, no sales coming in, I can't move forward, but at the same time I have lots of half-finished products and projects in various states of development.

This has been a wake up call. I had to rethink everything, do cost cutting and MAKE UP A NEW GAME PLAN. The new game plan made me re-shuffle some projects to the top of the stack.... and unfortunately, the TS-2 got pushed down the stack. 

The good news is my jumpstart plan worked even though sales volume are still down (people not buying like they used to). We've got funds again for R&D :)   Now, if sales volume would just return to previous levels, I'd be in an even better/stronger shape.


Here's the new situation...  On my consulting business, I have a major major deliverable project this month for a client... So this is going to be a hectic month again. 

Fortunately, my main business has not been affected by the recession, but kit sales were. So sometimes, I have to choose doing real "WORK" so we can eat, pay bills, etc..., and put the "FUN" side of working on kits on hold (where sales have been sporadic and unreliable nowadays.)

I hope you guys will understand.... I think we're all in the same recession boat. Gotta do what we've got to do.

Just a note: If some of you that put your name on the waiting list can't buy it now due to recession/etc... I understand.  Don't worry about it... take care of your families/priorities first.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: fivefishdiy on January 09, 2009, 02:34:23 PM
If you're having Photo withdrawals.... here's some... this is actually how the final assembly of the TS-2 will look like.

Get all sub-assemblies ready... work on ESD safe table mat.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3061/2932848787_9ab9098f8e.jpg)

Insert chips, but first ground yourself with an ESD wristwrap. For additional protection...
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3277/2932848775_7ac08007c1.jpg)

IC chips inserted successfully.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3289/2932848745_30946e02d7.jpg)

Install hex spacers...
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3031/2933704864_1559df93e3.jpg)

Mount and install VU Meters... use spacers to mount the VU meter boards together.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3150/2932848661_a953171362.jpg)

Rear view of VU Meters, and getting ready to install front panel.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3180/2933704786_1d5da88a98.jpg)

Connect VU Meter power connections
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3177/2933704748_02fb11fd0b.jpg)

Install the other connections...
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3026/2932848541_fc17fed459.jpg)

Stack the (2) boards together...
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/2932848491_0db1c51703.jpg)

Closeup of headers and connections... good solid wiring
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/2932848457_fa4ee6439b.jpg)

Install locking DC Switchracft jack.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3032/2932848301_f5ae0d9c71.jpg)

Getting ready to mount the XLR jacks.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/2932848275_9a770caeb0.jpg)

Get ready to mount panel...
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3058/2932848247_8a85fe6ef3.jpg)

Panel mounted. Nuts tightened.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3071/2933704426_cac12465b2.jpg)

Install knobs, connect 12VDC wall wart AC adapter, hookup condenser mics, turn on 48V phantom,  and test...

Success!
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3016/2939237960_5499e02316.jpg)

It's the NEXT STEP that got delayed.... drilling the rear panel and sliding everything into the case. So close!!!!......
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on January 09, 2009, 02:43:12 PM
I'm loving the gear shots as always.  I've said it before, I'll say it again... I got vacation coming and would help assemble any time!  ;)  Keep your priorities in order, this will come in due time, thanks for the update.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: fivefishdiy on January 28, 2009, 08:20:02 PM
Whew!~  Finally got my (2) deadlines out of the way... just need to schedule a training session with the client to teach their staff how to use the new system.  Then they gave me a new project again, but deadline isn't until March.

So I got some free time to create CAD files for the rear panel, then fed the CAD file to my program that outlines the different job steps, then export to G-code that the CNC machine can understand.

Got (4) panels milled... the gold color panels were test panels, but came out great so I'll probably make (2) units in Gold colors.  (It's not as yellow as you see in the photo.)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3431/3234608751_4f888ffd37.jpg)

And test fitted the Neutrik XLR jacks and Switchcraft DC jack. Perfectomundo!

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3366/3234608867_8042b9a2a8.jpg)

Of course, it's weird when things are moving fast and too smoothly again and then what happens?,.....

The Y-axis on my CNC broke! The motor/screw coupling is slipping... so I'll need to fix that first before I can continue milling additional panels. 

<dang it!  I can't get a break! >



Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: OOK on January 28, 2009, 09:46:52 PM
Its all cool.  some progress is better than no progress..........Tapers are a patient bunch.........especially when it comes to quality...... ;D

Peace OOK
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on January 29, 2009, 06:24:51 AM


Thanks for the update FF!!  I'm really looking forward to my "True Blue" TS-2...

 ;D

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Nick's Picks on January 29, 2009, 06:52:54 AM
that is a sexiful looking beast!
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: F.O.Bean on January 29, 2009, 08:47:27 AM
that is a sexiful looking beast!

AGREED ;D
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on January 29, 2009, 09:45:49 AM
+T
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Kyle on January 29, 2009, 08:01:30 PM
WOW. :o

This pre is really a beautiful piece of work. I could stare at the pics all day. Truly the definition of gear porn. Top notch work. I can not wait to hear how this little box sounds. With the attention to detail that has been demonstrated, there is no question that it will easily meet (or surpass) expectations. :tips hat:

I finally found a job - it looks like I might even be able to pick one of these up - the gear fantasies of the last few months will finally become reality....
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: stevetoney on January 29, 2009, 09:09:12 PM
I finally found a job - it looks like I might even be able to pick one of these up - the gear fantasies of the last few months will finally become reality....

Kyle congratulations on getting a new job, but man judging by your signature line, doesn't look like you've kept many gear fantasies from turning into reality!!!  Attaboy!  ;D
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Kyle on January 29, 2009, 10:27:36 PM
I finally found a job - it looks like I might even be able to pick one of these up - the gear fantasies of the last few months will finally become reality....

Kyle congratulations on getting a new job, but man judging by your signature line, doesn't look like you've kept many gear fantasies from turning into reality!!!  Attaboy!  ;D

 ;D

Thanks Steve! I am going to be a Pet sitter. Dog walks, cat watching, that sort of thing. Money won't be huge, but at least I am out working again. The gear in the sig is pretty much my dream rig(s), but there haven't been any updates for about a year. I am a mic-pre freak and the TS-2 is looking oh so good as the next acquisition.

And then: I need to pickup some ME-20s that have become available, i need another ME-40, I have been wanting some AKG 451 or 460/CK3s, a four channel recorder would be nice, a new stand is required, one of Darktrain's stereo bars - the list just goes on and on. I will never tire of this hobby - gear is one fine addiction!

/blather off - back to the TS-2
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: fivefishdiy on January 29, 2009, 11:50:58 PM
Okay... time to get into detail work.

As you all know, the TS-2 front panel is ANODIZED.... not painted. Also, the front panel has engraved labels. i.e. they're NOT silkscreen printed... which we all know painted surface will fade or chip sometime in the future.

No siree... our front panel labels are CNC engraved. The only way you can erase the control labels is by using something like this...

(http://www.csunitec.com/images/surfin/varilex-main.jpg)

But because my panel is engraved, we have the bare aluminum showing.

So I need to fill up the "canals" with paint to make it look more "finished" and... well, it just looks better.  You can say this preamp is truly handmade and a work of art :)

Step 1: Prepare our tools. Panel wrapped in protective plastic film from the factory.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3521/3238350426_42660bf70c.jpg)

Step 2: Peel off the plastic film.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3124/3238350458_ccf971c28f.jpg)

Step 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.... apply paint and fill up the engravings with the paint color of our choice. In this example, something like Grayish White.  Other colors available... whatever color you see on this page. :)
http://www.testors.com/category/135894/Enamel_Paints

If I don't have it in stock, extra fee may apply.

And we end up with our panel looking like this.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3354/3238350506_f365bd1c28.jpg)

As you can see, I have problems coloring and staying within the lines ever since I was a kid.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/3237509991_a589b1ac9b.jpg)

Step 8: Dry the paint.  We use a hot air gun set for 330-degrees Fahrenheit and we direct hot air to our panel.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/3238350568_c3368cbd67.jpg)

Step 9: TOP SECRET PROCESS.... clean up the spilled paint. And our panel ends up looking like this:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3392/3238350586_6beb3e372b.jpg)

Close up shot: Panel height is about 2" inches. So you can imagine how small those numbers are... about 3mm or so...
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3440/3238350624_5296c9d621.jpg)

Here's an example of a pure white paint fill. 
This is my SC-1mk500 lunchbox preamp.  $349 per channel... for a KIT... ( this is basically 1 channel of a TS-2 preamp.... so a fully-built TS-2 preamp is way way underpriced considering what my other unassembled kits sell for!) )More info here... (http://www.fivefishstudios.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=60&Itemid=74)
(http://www.fivefishstudios.com/ffimages/SC-1mk500-preamp2.jpg)

And that's how I do my panels... Lots of work? time consuming?

You betcha....  It's a truly handcrafted preamp. It's the fusion of art and technology.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: MattD on January 30, 2009, 12:26:18 AM
Idea: anodize first, laser mark second. Laser marking shows up silver/gray on black hardcoat.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on January 30, 2009, 06:26:06 AM


Wow - BEAUTIFUL WORK FiveFish!!  I am really looking forward to this.


 ;D


Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: fivefishdiy on January 30, 2009, 06:32:57 AM
Thanks Matt, I did try laser marking. Asked one company to do a sample for me. It didn't come out very high contrast. It's sort of grayish looking... and very faint.

Maybe their laser isn't powerful enough? 30 Watts. I haven't tried another company since then.

dactylus: Thanks!
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: MattD on January 30, 2009, 06:39:37 AM
Might also be their laser type. Look for a company that's using a Y-A-G laser. I'll look around at work for some black hardcoated aluminum so I can make and photograph a sample for you.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on January 30, 2009, 11:50:06 AM
All looks very nice.  For me, I'd be tickled just to be able to see the AL through the finish.  I do appreciate the effort so again, +T.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: digifish_music on January 30, 2009, 08:00:18 PM
Step 9: TOP SECRET PROCESS.... clean up the spilled paint. And our panel ends up looking like this:


I have a collection of those secret paint removal tools here...

(http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/7/9/9/0/2/2/i/3/8/4/o/all-thumbs-up_1.jpg)

:)

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: fivefishdiy on February 01, 2009, 09:53:22 PM
more pictures...

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3377/3246392386_883d710b5c_o.jpg)

Now, just a matter of putting them boards in a case and doing one final FINAL testing.

PS: Also trying to fix my CNC machine by making a new coupling between the stepper motor and drive screw.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3443/3245582471_cc258e6d13.jpg)

Not doing too good. While the fit is great, there is no vibration damping and I can see that the milled path isn't smooth due to the vibration.  Will need to find another solution.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Justinasia on February 02, 2009, 07:52:23 AM
Hi fivefishdiy
I have been following some of your thread here with interest. Having trouble locating the specs. Could you tell me, about
size
weight
battery type and life
outputs
noise levels
cost

Sorry if you wrote these already, then just the link would do!
Thanks! Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on February 02, 2009, 09:18:51 AM
Good thing the T's have gone away...  ::)

It's small and under 16lb... runs on 7-14vdc providing p48... strictly analog... will make MXL's sound like Schoeps and Schoeps sound like Heaven and as such, everything else you'd need to know is faith based... or found within these pages...

(You are standing at the end of a road before a small brick building...)

first trimester    http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105112.0.html
second trimester    http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,108569.0.html
third trimester    http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,114576.0.html

Plenty of good pictures to go along with the words too.

Sorry for being a dick but I just got up and read this.  One thing about TS is that it requires, some would say demands, that members make a little effort.  Everything ever written about anything is likely to be found within these pages.  I HOPE I've not totally offended you.  I'll CHANGE one of these days.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: NOLAfishwater on February 02, 2009, 09:37:21 AM
Hi fivefishdiy
I have been following some of your thread here with interest. Having trouble locating the specs. Could you tell me, about
size
weight
battery type and life
outputs
noise levels
cost

Sorry if you wrote these already, then just the link would do!
Thanks! Keep up the good work.


reading helps.  :newbie:
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Justinasia on February 03, 2009, 03:59:51 AM


reading helps.  :newbie:
I did search actually. I read some specs at the beginning of the first thread which did not include weight, noise levels, cost but did say XLR ins and outs. but that was followed by guys on the forum putting in requests and discussion etc. I was hoping that for example other input output options may have been added. I read through quite a bit of the pages on this but to be honest I don't have time to read all 53 pages. Anyway, I thought it might be generally useful for other people too, to have all the specs in one place, up to date. Maybe could post an update to the beginning of each of the 3 threads on the subject?

Sorry if I'm just being dim in not finding the info, despite having searched quite a bit. And, no offense taken.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: landshark on February 03, 2009, 12:23:33 PM
"but to be honest I don't have time to read all 53 pages."

Yet you expect others to take the time to neatly summarize them for you?  Why?  Is your time more valuable than theirs?

Many people take offense at that attitude on community boards like this one.  Don't be surprised if you see many negative replies to your request.  Why not try to contribute to the community instead and write the summary yourself?  That would be very positively received.

...ask not what Taperssection can do for you, but rather what you can do for Taperssection...

Mike
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: fivefishdiy on February 03, 2009, 12:43:10 PM
Justinasia,

Most of the specs you asked were covered in one way or another already. Once the product is launched, I'll compile a master list of the specs and put it on my webpage for easy viewing.

Thanks.

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: willndmb on February 03, 2009, 01:23:41 PM
give the guy a break jesus
there is lots of info you could find here by searching that someone else could tell you in 5 secs if asked
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Nick's Picks on February 03, 2009, 01:35:05 PM
also, not sure if you guys have tried...but searching this site *sucks*.
I'd ask first too.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: NOLAfishwater on February 03, 2009, 01:51:30 PM
give the guy a break jesus
there is lots of info you could find here by searching that someone else could tell you in 5 secs if asked

come on. when I first started on this site, I was told to stop asking so many questions and read. actually am glad that I learned how to search the site effectively.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: willndmb on February 03, 2009, 01:55:02 PM
give the guy a break jesus
there is lots of info you could find here by searching that someone else could tell you in 5 secs if asked

come on. when I first started on this site, I was told to stop asking so many questions and read. actually am glad that I learned how to search the site effectively.
fwiw i don't have a problem in telling someone to search
just mikes attitude toward it i think is a little harsh
i also agree with nick, searching here can be hard type in jb3 question and try narrowing it down if you don't have a good understanding of what you are looking for
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: rsimms3 on February 03, 2009, 02:44:26 PM
You also have to have at least 5 characters, right?  Or is that another site with a crappy search function.... :scratcheshead:
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on February 03, 2009, 05:51:33 PM
This site has never impressed me with its search tools.  Rudimentary at best.  Eventually you decide that to get anything out of it demands a little time spent reading.  Take the search as far as you think you can take it but you still will end up locating threads and reading them to the end.  In the process you start to learn about the nature of the community and you can decide if time spent here is worthwhile.  Many of us do.

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Justinasia on February 03, 2009, 09:43:39 PM
"but to be honest I don't have time to read all 53 pages."

Yet you expect others to take the time to neatly summarize them for you?  Why?  Is your time more valuable than theirs?
Hi Mike
As I said, I did search. And I read through many of the pages. But seriously I don't have time to read all 53 pages. That's a lot of reading! And I didn't mean to make anyone else read all 53 pages but I thought that the maker of this preamp would surely know the specs himself, and would even profit from posting them all in one place since it could be handy for anyone interested in this amp, not only me. I also figured if he knew them (he should right, he's making them) then he could write them in a few seconds.

I've actually spent many hours every day for about the past week reading though this forum. The search function is a little tricky but anyway I have really appreciated being able to read stuff here, and grateful to all you guys writing and discussing. This is a really valuable resource, and seems like a very friendly community. Sorry if my questions were disturbing.

Justin
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: flipp on February 03, 2009, 10:34:31 PM
Only price I can point to (there may be one somewhere in these three trimesters) is the thread in 5fishes forum where he mentions an introductory run of 8 units with an introductory price of $499. No indication if that will be raised for the second run - if there is one.

Quote
So I'm starting "production" of the TS-2 Mic Preamp units. Everything will be handbuilt here in "the FiveFish Studios Lab."

Initial run will be 8 units. Sell the 1st (8) and then use the money to fund the next batch of units.

These are (2) channel mic preamps, with DC servo, and internal buffering. Using THAT chips, Burr Brown chips. Output using balanced line driver from THAT. Includes (2) channel VU meter. Polarity switches on both channels, individual 48V phantom power switches, and an ON/OFF switch for the VU meters (to be discrete during taping :). XLR Ins and outputs. Powered by 12VDC from AC wall adapter or portable DVD batteries.

Intro Price: $499
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: landshark on February 04, 2009, 01:40:25 PM
Justin -

Well said.  I understand your position.  My comments only came out of a concern I see from other boards (try XDA Developers some time) where people drown out good information by constantly posting the same questions over and over, or making demands that others summarize information for them.  People who post like that trample on the notion of a community, and can quickly make those who do provide content and value decide it's not worth their time.  Then the gurus stop posting and no one gets the information.

I am incredibly grateful for the amount of time people put into sharing their knowledge - this board is an amazing resource for me and gives me access to information I simply could not get any other way.  No where, no how.  In the spirit of community, I feel that it's a two way commitment - intelligent, informed people post good information and then the burden is on me to find it and make use of it. 

If it's really worth it to you, then I think you should be willing to do the work to get it - even if it means reading 53 pages.  If you don't have time to read them all, I guess that clarifies the value the information has for you.  Me?  I'm just grateful people have taken so much time out of their busy days to provide 53 pages of information for me to read.  I wouldn't think of asking them to take more of their time to do something I could do myself.  That would seem to indicate I feel my time is more valuable than theirs.  I'd rather they continue to spend their time providing more and more information. 

If you do have questions for the manufacturer, or have a good idea that his interests may be served by summarizing, that's an excellent time to use the "Private Message" or PM function within this website.

I apologize if I came off harshly, but I've seen too many open communities like this one marginalized or destroyed when non-community-minded people come in and act selfishly or unthinkingly, and it's a bit of a hot button for me.  I think etiquette and consideration are incredibly important to preserve fragile communities like this one, so feel compelled to comment  Enough of my rant, and I apologize to everyone for taking up their bandwith - I know this is not why you're here.

<steps off soapbox, somewhat sheepishly>

Mike

Mike
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on February 04, 2009, 02:12:19 PM
^ well said, and I didn't cause I just don't have the tongue for it.

BTW, 53 pages is nothing.  Search on "pissing in the shower" and see how many informative, thoughtful and content rich pages that kicks off.  ;D
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Justinasia on February 04, 2009, 09:11:18 PM
Just to make it clear, I was not asking anyone to summarize anything except for the maker of the product, whom I thought would potentially profit from putting a summary which was easy to find, for me and anyone else who might come across the thread, spend hours but still be unable to find the specs. (I even searched his website to no avail). Hence I started my post "Hi fivefishdiy [...]"
But I take your advice that I should have written him a PM. Bad judgement on my behalf. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: digifish_music on February 04, 2009, 11:03:32 PM
...so how many people have one of these now?

digifish
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: F.O.Bean on February 04, 2009, 11:21:47 PM
LOVE IT!
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: su6oxone on February 05, 2009, 12:29:26 AM
(You are standing at the end of a road before a small brick building...)

+T for the Zork reference.  8)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on February 05, 2009, 05:26:25 AM
...so how many people have one of these now?

digifish

^ patience, grasshopper    ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCyJRXvPNRo



Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on February 05, 2009, 10:18:34 AM
<snip>
But I take your advice that I should have written him a PM. Bad judgement on my behalf. Sorry about that.

Not bad judgment, just ignorance, in the classic sense, not stupidity... you didn't know.  Since the ticketing system is now history, we've all become more overt in our expression of pleasure or displeasure with a member's commentary.  Some of us are getting used to it and it's being taken as piling on the new guy... perhaps there is an element of initiation there but it's all in good fun. 

I too found that the FF site was a little short on specs. Posting that sound clip intended to illustrate the noise floor, with no info on gain setting or mic used is not much help to me.  I cranked that clip up and there was plenty of noise.  Maybe FF will see this and offer a few specs for evaluation. 

Don't get me wrong, I think this will be a fine box and intend to get one.  As soon as he's ready to market it I expect more information to be made available.  Should be out in time for Phish ;D
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: fivefishdiy on February 07, 2009, 06:57:25 PM
Some progress....

(http://www.fivefishstudios.com/ffimages/MicPreamp-TS2-Units.jpg)

Sorry for being a little bit slow.

My time is split between producing the TS-2 preamp and my API 500 lunchbox compatible preamp.... the SC-1mk500.  It's getting very good reviews and compared to boutique preamps costing 2x-3x it's price.

FYI... the same circuit design mods I tried during the development of the TS-2 preamp got incorporated on my SC-1mk500 preamp.... which sells for $349 each (1) channel. It sounded good on the TS-2, so I "borrowed" it in the development of the SC-1mk500 :) Photo below.

(http://www.fivefishstudios.com/ffimages/SC-1mk500-preamp1.jpg)

It won't be long now... I'd have the TS-2 ready. I have a few units ready to go out the door, but want to finish everything first. I also need to take more photos for advertising purposes and create the Paypal order page for it.   ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Chuck on February 07, 2009, 07:06:24 PM
Looking good!
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on February 08, 2009, 11:59:10 AM
Some progress....

It won't be long now... I'd have the TS-2 ready. I have a few units ready to go out the door, but want to finish everything first. I also need to take more photos for advertising purposes and create the Paypal order page for it.   ;D ;D ;D


Super - thank you for the update FiveFish and the nice photos!!

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on February 15, 2009, 12:37:46 PM
With all the V3's in the YS at under $1k is it worth it to wait much longer?  Just sayin'. 
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: rich on February 16, 2009, 01:17:34 AM
fwiw..

i would simply like to know if and what number i am on the waiting list.  i am sure many of us submitted a request to place our name on the list to receive one of the ten first run production models.  however, who knows where you are on that list...#3 or perhaps #33?  ???

would it not suck to hold off on a possible purchase opportunity for a new pre and then find out that you are #33 with nearly no chance of buying one of these...or maybe worse, you are not even on the list.

5fish, is there any way that you could send a confirmation email?..again, not asking for a firm committment on delivery dates and such.  just hey, you are #5 or whatever...or, sorry but i dont have you on the list.

thanks.

rich
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on February 16, 2009, 09:29:31 AM


I think that eight was the number for the first run of production models.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: rich on February 19, 2009, 10:16:10 PM
8 or 10..either way it would be nice to know where you stand.  again, just my opinion and thoughts.

rich
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: taylordb on March 15, 2009, 10:36:47 PM
Has anyone at TS received one of these?  I am interested, but am a little concerned about the lack of interest (for lack of a better word) five fish has shown on this item.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: rich on March 15, 2009, 11:20:10 PM
i feel compelled to chime in...i have not received a response of any kind to messages placed here as well fivefishdiy's web forum.  the last reply i received was back in october and was to confirm that i was on the "list"...  this was back when units were projected to be ready for release right around thanksgiving.  however, no word at all over the holiday and past new year.  i tried to reach him in mid January 09 to confirm that i was in fact on the "list"...again, no answer.  i finally gave up.  i do understand business gets busy and family comes first, but a simple reply of name and number on "list" does not take much time.  it just seemed like there were too many quality pieces of gear coming through the YS to keep hanging on for hopefully making the "list" for the initial production run. 

i am also beginning to wonder if perhaps the pricing information initially provided here at TS for the first units, is simply far too low for the efforts required on his behalf.  hell, i dont know!  i hope the everything is okay.

rich
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: Roving Sign on March 16, 2009, 06:55:38 AM
this project has been re-named...now called "The Box of Rain"

cuz this is all dream we dreamed one afternoon long ago...
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on March 16, 2009, 10:38:45 AM
Nurse, 10cc oxytocin, stat.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now in its third trimester
Post by: stevetoney on March 16, 2009, 05:42:53 PM
Has anyone at TS received one of these?  I am interested, but am a little concerned about the lack of interest (for lack of a better word) five fish has shown on this item.

EDITED TO DELETE MY EARLIER POST:  I don't want my comments to affect anything in this thread.  Sorry for the rant.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on March 16, 2009, 09:45:48 PM


FiveFish - thank you for your hard work on this project!!

Deal with the priorities in your life in the order that you need to.   There are many of us here that will be happy to purchase the TS-2 Preamp when you are ready to release it.  Don't let the negative comments by some of these folks deter you.  You owe us nothing.  Yes, we would love to own your Preamp when you are ready to release it.

Thank you!

 :)

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: rich on March 17, 2009, 03:27:54 PM
fivefish and dactylus

i did not mean to be disrespectful or negative with my comments.  i dont read disrespect or a negative nature to any of the comments in this thread thus far.  what i do read and what i was trying to convey is what seems to be a growing sense of concern as to whether this project will come to fruition.  that is honest feedback communicated in a public forum for the free exchange of information and ideas.  do you owe us anything (i honestly cant believe this was even mentioned)?  of course not.  nothing has been bought, sold, or processed.  but, if and when the TS-2 is bought, sold, and processed...yes, i do think you owe a baseline standard of support and service for the product.  i am confident that you would agree with this as i have read about your gear extensively.  we do appreciate your efforts.  i simply think that a bunch of folks, including myself, are anxious for an update and the enthusiasm that surfaces with your feedback...and that is nothing other than a compliment.

rich
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: TNJazz on March 17, 2009, 03:47:22 PM
Steve,

I'm sorry you felt the need to delete your post.  I think  your observations were valid and probably fairly accurate.

I for one would have liked to see the points you raised addressed directly by Mr. Fivefish.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone on this forum actually heard this preamp?  I wonder if it will end up being worth the wait?
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: flipp on March 17, 2009, 07:55:20 PM
I also thought the initial run just needed the back plates cut but it was at this point 5fishes's cnc machine suffered problems. I have no idea whether that has been fixed or if the machine is still unusable. What I find most frustrating is the lack of an update even if it would be still having CNC problems and the TS-2 has been put on the back burner while I generate income elsewhere. That's basically what he said 5-6 weeks ago but I doubt he's lost internet access so the two minutes it would take to type an update doesn't seem like an unreasonable request.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: jchall on March 17, 2009, 08:56:38 PM
I emailed 5Fish this weekend.

> Jeff <jchall63@comcast.net>
>
> How are things coming long with the TS-2 preamp?  A lot of folks on 
> TapersSection are getting a little antsy since we haven't heard any 
> updates in over a month.  Things started with a bang but we haven't 
> heard much on the development since December.  I do realize that 
> R&D takes time, I am in the same boat with what I do, but I still 
> keep our customers informed of our progress.  Just answering a few 
> questions will appease a lot of folks, such as: number of units for 
> first run,waiting list, estimated completion date, price, will a 
> kit form be available? To name a few.
>
> Personally I'd like to see this available in kit form, as your 
> other products are, I am a NASA-STD 8739.3 certified solderer and 
> an Electro-Machanical engineer and putting one of these units 
> together would be fun.
>
> Keep the taping community updated on this project, just to 
> eliminate some angst I'm sensing there.
>

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Nick's Picks on March 18, 2009, 07:13:15 AM
wow....100% profit w/o any expense?
sounds Like I'm in the wrong line of work too.

Honest, i'm sure there is a minor investment in materials to build these.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: JackoRoses on March 18, 2009, 08:37:05 AM
I don't see what is so special about these? Anyone care to enlighten me?
The way I see it, there are lots of good options available for what this thing would sell for.
TO be honest, I wouldn't spend 500 on it let alone 700 when you can get an all in one box modded by oade for the same price. Heck there have been bricks popping up and aerco's etc.
Or go for a v3.
After seeing his site I could tell this guy stuck his foot in his mouth and wasn't going to sell this 2 ch for 500$ when he is selling his single kits for 360 which is another story unto itself...
Than the email that was posted where he admitted it...
Not that I really care to find out yet I'm sure we could contract out some chinese sweat shop and come up with the same thing for under a 100$ shipped to the states...
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: OOK on March 18, 2009, 09:44:04 PM
Now I really try not to get involved in these kind of things very much..........but here goes......We have here someone in the industry who is as passionate about recording audio as we are.  There are very few with the knowledge and abilities that FF has let alone the equipment to churn out the product.  Has it taken longer than expected, yeah but so what. So what if the product is on the back burner. 

We are all part of a real small niche of people who take the time to record.  Remember we are deal with a society that thinks MP3 makes a great recording......

Remember this guy found us we didn’t find him.  This guy has been listening to our suggestions and actually using them.  How many other companies do that...
uh like 4...Busman, Oade, Areco and Church.........forget the big companies.....

Lets put this into perspective we all have our priorities to take care, like food shelter ect....this product isn't going to turn a quick buck for him.  With the economy the way it is and people losing their jobs left and right.   FF has to focus on what is going to keep him in business supporting his family ect.

As far as having someone over sees put a similar product together for cheap and cheap is what it would be......isn't that why we are all experiencing the financial melt down in the first place.  US job going over seas, the bad loans, spending more than we had to pay..10billion a month is war spending…...Lets put this all into perspective people.  This product will be done when its done.....I for one am still excited...and I may not even be able to get one of the first runs.....

Take a look in the yard sales.  People are dumping gear left and right, why because the hobby isn’t a hobby if you have to put food on your table or pay your bills after losing your job…..I have never seen so much gear in my life…..The problem is no one has any money to buy it…

FF is focusing on what he needs to focus on at the moment; lets cut the guy some slack.  He will be back in the picture and the product will be released.  And when this pre sounds fantastic and gets a good reputation, he can charge what he wants…..remember people are still selling V2 for top dollar…..how long is that out of production.

People just need some perspective……………..enough said….Let it ride…….

Peace OOK
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on March 19, 2009, 05:51:54 AM
^^
What he said.

OtheroneK - you hit the nail on the head!!  Thank you for your post!

 :)

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: intpseeker on March 19, 2009, 07:07:30 AM
QFT, OtheroneK.

Perspective folks. People are losing their jobs, homes, and sense of self.

This is a pre-amp, a potentially nice one, but a freaking pre-amp just the same.

A little slack would be good for all of us.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: stevetoney on March 19, 2009, 09:58:24 AM
I don't think anybody has a problem with the concept of competing priorities...but that's simply not a valid excuse for dropping off the earth and leaving the group hanging.  How much time does it take to communicate?? 

He had plenty of time to give when he wanted something from TS.com (research, design input, feedback, etc) now that TS.com wants something back from him...he's simply disappeared.

It's also no excuse for picking the brains of this group under the pretense of putting out a specially made preamp targeted to this group, but then using that information to put out a product with all of the same features that apparently appeals to the more general public instead.  Until the TS-2's are delivered, that feels to me like a bait-and-switch.

Obviously, he had time and made priority enough to put out the single channel version of the TS-2...so when exactly WILL the TS-2 emerge as important enough that it becomes a priority to him if it hasn't before now?  After the next product is developed...the one after that?

I mainly just feel badly for the 8 or so of you that are waiting for your TS-2.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Roving Sign on March 19, 2009, 10:19:37 AM
Is there a scenario where some other person/parties could just buy the whole project?
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on March 19, 2009, 10:53:02 AM
I don't think anybody has a problem with the concept of competing priorities...but that's simply not a valid excuse for dropping off the earth and leaving the group hanging.  How much time does it take to communicate?? 

He had plenty of time to give when he wanted something from TS.com (research, design input, feedback, etc) now that TS.com wants something back from him...he's simply disappeared.

It's also no excuse for picking the brains of this group under the pretense of putting out a specially made preamp targeted to this group, but then using that information to put out a product with all of the same features that apparently appeals to the more general public instead.  Until the TS-2's are delivered, that feels to me like a bait-and-switch.

Obviously, he had time and made priority enough to put out the single channel version of the TS-2...so when exactly WILL the TS-2 emerge as important enough that it becomes a priority to him if it hasn't before now?  After the next product is developed...the one after that?

I mainly just feel badly for the 8 or so of you that are waiting for your TS-2.


Wow -  :hmmm:

I am one of the 8 and I don't feel badly at all.  FiveFish doesn't owe this group anything...  He DID NOT collect any funds from anyone.  You guys need to lighten up on your entitlement feelings.  I can't believe that you actually mean what you just wrote.  Ruel was doing us a favor in my opinion.  Obviously you don't feel that way.  I'm not gonna try and change your mind or anyone else's on this subject.  So, this will be my last comment on the slight delay in the TS-2.




Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Church-Audio on March 19, 2009, 12:49:41 PM
I don't think anybody has a problem with the concept of competing priorities...but that's simply not a valid excuse for dropping off the earth and leaving the group hanging.  How much time does it take to communicate?? 

He had plenty of time to give when he wanted something from TS.com (research, design input, feedback, etc) now that TS.com wants something back from him...he's simply disappeared.

It's also no excuse for picking the brains of this group under the pretense of putting out a specially made preamp targeted to this group, but then using that information to put out a product with all of the same features that apparently appeals to the more general public instead.  Until the TS-2's are delivered, that feels to me like a bait-and-switch.

Obviously, he had time and made priority enough to put out the single channel version of the TS-2...so when exactly WILL the TS-2 emerge as important enough that it becomes a priority to him if it hasn't before now?  After the next product is developed...the one after that?

I mainly just feel badly for the 8 or so of you that are waiting for your TS-2.


Wow -  :hmmm:

I am one of the 8 and I don't feel badly at all.  FiveFish doesn't owe this group anything...  He DID NOT collect any funds from anyone.  You guys need to lighten up on your entitlement feelings.  I can't believe that you actually mean what you just wrote.  Ruel was doing us a favor in my opinion.  Obviously you don't feel that way.  I'm not gonna try and change your mind or anyone else's on this subject.  So, this will be my last comment on the slight delay in the TS-2.






As a wiseman once told me "shit happens" Really I dont think some of you guys understand how much work goes into developing a product and how much money it takes. I for one am a bit disappointed in some of the remarks from some of the group here. I dont see allot of manufacturers lining up to make toys for you to play with. Be grateful there are a few of us still able to hang on in these tough times.

Chris
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: perks on March 19, 2009, 12:59:06 PM
I don't think anybody has a problem with the concept of competing priorities...but that's simply not a valid excuse for dropping off the earth and leaving the group hanging.  How much time does it take to communicate?? 

He had plenty of time to give when he wanted something from TS.com (research, design input, feedback, etc) now that TS.com wants something back from him...he's simply disappeared.

It's also no excuse for picking the brains of this group under the pretense of putting out a specially made preamp targeted to this group, but then using that information to put out a product with all of the same features that apparently appeals to the more general public instead.  Until the TS-2's are delivered, that feels to me like a bait-and-switch.

Obviously, he had time and made priority enough to put out the single channel version of the TS-2...so when exactly WILL the TS-2 emerge as important enough that it becomes a priority to him if it hasn't before now?  After the next product is developed...the one after that?

I mainly just feel badly for the 8 or so of you that are waiting for your TS-2.


You'd have a valid point if you actually had some skin in the game. I think you should let the 8 people who are out no $ but were involved in a good conversation with a skilled manufactor speak for themselves.

ever hear of easy come, easy go?

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: stevetoney on March 19, 2009, 02:18:26 PM
I for one am a bit disappointed in some of the remarks from some of the group here. I dont see allot of manufacturers lining up to make toys for you to play with. Be grateful there are a few of us still able to hang on in these tough times.

Chris, you make good points.  Apologies to you and the other manufacturers for dumping.


You'd have a valid point if you actually had some skin in the game. I think you should let the 8 people who are out no $ but were involved in a good conversation with a skilled manufactor speak for themselves.

ever hear of easy come, easy go?

You're absolutely right.  It's too easy to sit at this computer and critique.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Jeremy Lykins on March 19, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
You're absolutely right.  It's easy to sit at this computer and critique...I let down my guard. 

I'm sorry I made a mistake.

It seems like you have to apologize for and edit most of your posts here on TS.  Maybe that should tell you something.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: stevetoney on March 19, 2009, 02:30:45 PM
You're absolutely right.  It's easy to sit at this computer and critique...I let down my guard. 

I'm sorry I made a mistake.

It seems like you have to apologize for and edit most of your posts here on TS.  Maybe that should tell you something.

Yeah, that I'm an idiot and you're really smart. 
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Nick's Picks on March 19, 2009, 05:23:19 PM
 :yack:
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Jeremy Lykins on March 19, 2009, 05:59:43 PM
Yeah, that I'm an idiot and you're really smart. 

Not quite.  The lesson to be learned is that none of us are smart and we're ALL idiots.  I tried to apply to be King Idiot, but I lost the paperwork somewhere.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on April 12, 2009, 05:01:31 PM
I have a birthday coming up.  So is 10klf... and I'm getting a tax refund soon.  Anyone up for some stimulus?   ???
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: su6oxone on April 13, 2009, 12:40:57 AM
I have a birthday coming up.  So is 10klf... and I'm getting a tax refund soon.  Anyone up for some stimulus?   ???

Hell.... YEAH. 8)

When's it coming... I have, like, some gear that I want/need to buy...
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on May 09, 2009, 05:25:42 PM
28 days to this baby's first birthday!!!!


... well, at least to the start of this topic anyway.

/sighs... clicks on www.PennyStockPicker.com 
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Church-Audio on May 10, 2009, 09:52:31 PM
vaporware

I think you guys should go easy on this guy. Its not easy building a product and making it all on your own and being able to fund it at the same time. I only wish some of you would just try doing this for a living then you would realize just how bloody hard it is..... Please instead of trying to hurt this guy by saying stupid things try encouraging him by being supportive.

Just my two cents....
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: flipp on May 10, 2009, 10:19:54 PM
I wrote a note to 5fish yesterday. Got a nice reply back. TS2 is not dead but there is one other project that has taken most of his time. If you want to make sure 5fish knows there is still interest in the project, go to his website and look for the poll askng what should he do next then vote for the portable preamp - which is currently in third place. If the TS2 never evolves past the 8 prototypes, then that's the way it is. I'll be personally disappointed but there isn't anything I can do about it. Perhaps there will even be a TS2.2, who knows.

And he fully expects to raked over the coals when he does post here again. Is it deserved? No, but that hasn't stopped the mob mentality here on ts in the past.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: ScotK on May 11, 2009, 05:23:23 AM
The only problem I see with 5Fish's handling of the TS-2 is the lack of communication.  He made what sounded like
commitments to certain timescales for products, then didn't meet them and didn't let us know ahead of time, or even
after the fact.  He basically disappeared.  I think we're all perfectly capable of understanding a shift in priorities,
but it needs to be clearly communicated to gain respect.  Otherwise, it's just a set of false promises, no matter how good-intentioned.

It doesn't take much to follow-through with a post saying due to x &y, the project has to be on hold until z, for example.
That kind of thing alone would garner both respect and support, I suspect.

I'm sure 5Fish means to follow-through with this project, but with all the hopes and interest he aroused at the beginning, it's
no wonder people feel left behind when he simply disappears when the schedule gets delayed.

just a couple thought, for what they're worth,

s

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on May 11, 2009, 06:46:51 AM
I wrote a note to 5fish yesterday. Got a nice reply back. TS2 is not dead but there is one other project that has taken most of his time. If you want to make sure 5fish knows there is still interest in the project, go to his website and look for the poll askng what should he do next then vote for the portable preamp - which is currently in third place.  If the TS2 never evolves past the 8 prototypes, then that's the way it is. I'll be personally disappointed but there isn't anything I can do about it. Perhaps there will even be a TS2.2, who knows.

And he fully expects to raked over the coals when he does post here again. Is it deserved?  No, but that hasn't stopped the mob mentality here on ts in the past.

^^
What he said.


If you want to make sure 5fish knows there is still interest in the project, go to his website and look for the poll askng what should he do next then vote for the portable preamp - which is currently in third place.


Vote here:

http://fivefishstudios.com/






Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: rsimms3 on May 11, 2009, 08:57:49 AM
I went with flux capacitor on this one.

j/k...portable preamp is now in the lead.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: rich on May 11, 2009, 09:24:58 AM
i cant help but wonder why fivefish himself did not make us aware of the poll... ???

seriously, if flipp did not reach out to him, how would we know of such a poll? not saying that fivefish owes us anything...so please dont go there.

rich
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: rich on May 11, 2009, 08:59:11 PM
fwiw

the 5fish website has been reconstructed since the new year and is pretty sweet. not that the old one was lame. but the new design is pretty slick and loaded with information.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18864922@N06/

rich
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: NOLAfishwater on May 11, 2009, 10:16:41 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2897191138_9445e0a466.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on May 12, 2009, 04:15:27 PM
Yeah, I know it's not vaporware and that life gets in the way of a good time with more regularity than we all need, but my intent with my dumb ass comments was to hopefully nudge FF into a little communication as others have stated.  I guess I also wanted to remind him if he checked in at all that there were other alternatives out there. 

For someone who came to us/this board for specific input, develop a working prototype, engage in taking names... how many, anyone remember?  50??  then essentially ignore that seemingly fixed income stream... well it makes you wonder.  Even if he had to bump the cost $75 over his stated $500 I don't think that would have been a deal breaker.

If he has 8 ready to go, finish them, sell them and get some feed back.  The Dead are still touring as is Phish and summer festival season is upon us.  If he hopes to sell beyond our narrow community he'd be well served to have lots of happy users touting lots of different mics etc.  Just my $0.02

The thing I fear here is that under actual field use, he for some reason found the unit lacking some how and got discouraged.

I'm glad his poll now shows at least our participation, but for me, I'm tempted to jump on the next V2 that pops up under $700...  (Can those be powered by 9v?)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: fozzy on May 12, 2009, 05:34:32 PM
Yeah, I know it's not vaporware and that life gets in the way of a good time with more regularity than we all need, but my intent with my dumb ass comments was to hopefully nudge FF into a little communication as others have stated.  I guess I also wanted to remind him if he checked in at all that there were other alternatives out there. 

For someone who came to us/this board for specific input, develop a working prototype, engage in taking names... how many, anyone remember?  50??  then essentially ignore that seemingly fixed income stream... well it makes you wonder.  Even if he had to bump the cost $75 over his stated $500 I don't think that would have been a deal breaker.

If he has 8 ready to go, finish them, sell them and get some feed back.  The Dead are still touring as is Phish and summer festival season is upon us.  If he hopes to sell beyond our narrow community he'd be well served to have lots of happy users touting lots of different mics etc.  Just my $0.02

The thing I fear here is that under actual field use, he for some reason found the unit lacking some how and got discouraged.

I'm glad his poll now shows at least our participation, but for me, I'm tempted to jump on the next V2 that pops up under $700...  (Can those be powered by 9v?)

9v wallyworld style batteries?  Yes   
Ye old 9v alkaline battery?  might last a few minutes. :)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on May 12, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
^ Thanks * Fozz...



* that's +T to you old timers  ;)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: tedyun on May 13, 2009, 11:58:19 PM
Well -- I voted for the TS2 for you guys, but in all honesty, it's probably not a fair poll because he should be aware that the 56 votes isn't 56 kits sold. We are probably skewing the results by directing people from here to there, and now people are voting multiple times.

I probably wouldn't spend $500 on a DIY kit. I simply don't have the soldering skills and would be too afraid to mess-up on something that expensive.


If you want to make sure 5fish knows there is still interest in the project, go to his website and look for the poll askng what should he do next then vote for the portable preamp - which is currently in third place.


Vote here:

http://fivefishstudios.com/


In first place and running away... and you can vote once a day.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: TNJazz on May 14, 2009, 07:43:30 AM
Personally I don't think anyone here should be voting unless they're prepared to shell out the cash on the spot.  I know this pre drew a lot of interest, but seriously?  No one here has even heard it, so how can you be so passionate about something you know nothing about?

He's already expressed regret here at the price he quoted for the original batch ($499 intro price), so skewing this vote to push the portable pre isn't very fair if you're not actually going to buy it.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on May 14, 2009, 12:01:16 PM
I will buy it.  I don't think it will suck.  As to voting, if he's going to put a sharp stick in my hands, I'm gonna poke something, just my nature.  ;) 

It may turn out that he has no interest in making this go, but he should at least finish the 8 that he says are on the back burner.  Even with all that's gone before, I'd surely give it an honest trial.  I think this is what is really needed in order for him to make a decision as to go-no go on further development.

I bet the Milabs would sound good with it.  ;D
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: it-goes-to-eleven on May 14, 2009, 12:16:46 PM
The only problem I see with 5Fish's handling of the TS-2 is the lack of communication

That is definitely a concern, and like others have said, updates to reset expectations are not that hard to do.  It raises some questions about future service.  Making stuff, especially prototyping, can be a lot more fun than servicing customers.

I think early stage prototyping and field testing are critical.  It was just assumed by some that it would sound good, and I think that is wishful thinking.

And with the target price going up, the design starts to compete with mature and proven pre-amps.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: rsimms3 on May 14, 2009, 02:36:59 PM
Personally I don't think anyone here should be voting unless they're prepared to shell out the cash on the spot.  I know this pre drew a lot of interest, but seriously?  No one here has even heard it, so how can you be so passionate about something you know nothing about?

He's already expressed regret here at the price he quoted for the original batch ($499 intro price), so skewing this vote to push the portable pre isn't very fair if you're not actually going to buy it.


I don't necessarily think that is the case.  It's just a poll.  I voted and I certainly don't plan on buying one.  It's like going in to work and asking others what they think you should have for lunch.  20 people might say BBQ, but if you had BBQ the night before you will probably decide against BBQ.  It's up to the Fish man what he does, he put the poll up there to gather some unofficial opinions about what direction folks think he should go.  Anyone who puts up a poll that includes an option for a device that he developed in front of a bunch of tapers must recognize that if it is winning, those tapers must be voting.  It would be rather blind of him to assume otherwise as he is not now or has been in the portable preamp market before.  Why would studio industry people be voting for a portable pre?  They probably wouldn't.  At this point, I don't think it is ever going to happen and the 8 people on the waiting list....will be waiting a long time.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on May 14, 2009, 09:28:32 PM
I will buy it.  I don't think it will suck. 

I bet the Milabs would sound good with it.
  ;D
^^
Agreed on both counts!! Have you guys read the Mix magazine reviews of his products? Sounds like FiveFish does top notch work to me and my $500 is ready and waiting for a "True Blue TS-2".

 :headphones:



Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on May 28, 2009, 11:09:35 AM


http://fivefishstudios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496


Looks like a working version of my "wish list", "True Blue TS-2" is alive and well...

 :coolguy:


Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on May 28, 2009, 12:31:30 PM
Can't register on the site, link doesn't seem to work.  'Was going to ask him for audio samples and if he had access to other mics.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: flipp on May 28, 2009, 02:00:53 PM
Use the "contact us" link from his main page.  That's how I got in touch with him and had a response in a few hours.

http://fivefishstudios.com/index.php/Contact-Us/
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on June 05, 2009, 12:21:03 AM
^ 'did that... going on a week now w/o feedback.  I had asked him if it was possible to develop sound samples using other mics or micing other sources...
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: F.O.Bean on June 06, 2009, 07:28:29 AM
So, WTF is up w/ this thing? He just isnt responding to emails/PM's now ??? If thats the case and hes not responding to ANYONE, no matter how they try and get ahold of him, then that says ALOT about future servicing of the TS-2. What happens when a unit needs repaired/fixed, and he feels he is just too busy to fix it at the moment, and takes 3 months to tell you that in a simple email ??? NO THANKS ON MY END! I was originally PSYCHED to see/hear this thing LIVE IN ACTION, but the way things have turned out, you couldn't PAY ME to even trial run one at this point, mainly because of the complete and utter LACK OF COMMUNICATION ;) I personally dont think we'll EVER see these in the field. I mean come on, how hard is it to occasionally post and tell folks whove been waiting for MONTHS, what the scoop is every few weeks, or hell, even every few months ??? Its NOT THAT HARD to communicate w/ other people, especially in this digital age where EVERYONE has a computer, or phone w/ internet access......

I am DYING to hear this damn thing, because it DEF looks profdessional to me, and looks FINISHED to me as well. Are there ANY SAMPLES  AT ALL floatinga round online somewhere w/ this thing and a GOOD/GREAT pair of HQ condensers ??? If not, then he NEEDs to finish at least 1 or 2 up and send them to the 1st 2 people on the list so they can get it IN TEH FIELD LIVE, and try it out w/ HQ condensers. Otherwise, whos going to want to buy one w/ out hearing samples or shows recorded with it ??? Its been MONTHS, maybe even a year or more in the making now, and NOBODY has even heard one. Thats a TOTAL BUMMER IMO :'( :(

My 00.02 anyway........

So, WTF is the scoop ???
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on June 06, 2009, 09:50:03 AM
I have communicated with FF several times in the past few days - I will be running a True Blue TS-2 when he has the time to finish the rear panel...  I'm patient and I think that it will definitely be worth the wait!!


Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: TNJazz on June 06, 2009, 09:55:02 AM

I have communicated with FF several times in the past few days - I will be running a True Blue TS-2 when he has the time to finish the rear panel...  I'm patient and I think that it will definitely be worth the wait!!



If you say "True Blue" one more time I'm going to beat you to a bloody pulp.

 :P ;D
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on June 06, 2009, 09:58:44 AM

I have communicated with FF several times in the past few days - I will be running a True Blue TS-2 when he has the time to finish the rear panel...  I'm patient and I think that it will definitely be worth the wait!!



If you say "True Blue" one more time I'm going to beat you to a bloody pulp.

 :P ;D

 ;D ;D ;D

I know it is NOT Purple, but I like Blue...

From his blog:

"Portable Preamps according to the poll is what seems to be the winner for the next product. Hmmmm :/ I don't want to build them anymore (too much work), maybe I'll just package it as a KIT. I have a few ready-made sitting on my desk. Time to offload these babies.

I think I will redesign them for easier build. As it is right now, it's too complex. I think it could be further simplified."


http://fivefishstudios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=498 (http://fivefishstudios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=498)


 :yahoo:


Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on June 06, 2009, 10:25:52 AM

If you say "True Blue" one more time I'm going to beat you to a bloody pulp.

 :P ;D

Get in line...  ;)

Looks like this is never gonna happen.  That back plate has been the hang-up for months while he works other product lines.  This was a lark I'm afraid.  It's cool and all that he has the resources to develop something this far but it's too bad that he was only "chippin'" with us. 

Can you run a V2 on 9v?
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on June 06, 2009, 10:49:31 AM

I'm betting that my pre will arrive...

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Brian Skalinder on June 06, 2009, 12:35:06 PM
Can you run a V2 on 9v?

A 6v V2 or a V2 calibrated for 9v, yes.  A 12v V2, no.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on June 06, 2009, 05:40:21 PM
Thanks Bri
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Genghis Cougar Mellen Khan on June 06, 2009, 10:24:22 PM
So, WTF is the scoop ???

You're a spaz?

Seriously, if I was the one making the pre,  :hmmm: but unsure if I wanted to invest a ton of time into a project  :spin: that wasn't going to make much if any return and I had spastic idiots spouting off about poor my communication was,  :angry3: how they couldn't be paid to use my product.

I wouldn't make it.  :thebirdman:

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: taylordb on June 07, 2009, 07:50:27 AM
It is not as cut and dry as that. Bean has some valid points.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: rich on June 07, 2009, 10:31:04 AM
hey guys sorry i have been out of touch. projects keep piling up. anyway, i will be contacting each individual on the initial run of 8 preamps. cant say right now just when they will be ready for shipment. but, i will communicate the details to you individually. again, thank you all for your patience and understanding.

....


okay, that took less than 2 minutes. obviously, this is just a mock up post. but seriously...   ???

rich
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: bugg100 on June 07, 2009, 03:55:27 PM
So, WTF is the scoop ???

You're a spaz?

Seriously, if I was the one making the pre,  :hmmm: but unsure if I wanted to invest a ton of time into a project  :spin: that wasn't going to make much if any return and I had spastic idiots spouting off about poor my communication was,  :angry3: how they couldn't be paid to use my product.

I wouldn't make it.  :thebirdman:



+T
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Genghis Cougar Mellen Khan on June 08, 2009, 09:02:11 AM
okay, that took less than 2 minutes. obviously, this is just a mock up post. but seriously...   ???

rich

So we should expect Grace and other people to log in and give us updates on new product developement?

I think the only mistake the person made was trying to be inclusive and keep people up-to-date with their product developement.

If they had taken orders and had your cash in hand with the promised delivery time, it might be a different story.

Sure it'd be nice to hear regular updates, but until it's a finished product or sold to someone they don't owe us anything. Keep trashing them and I'm sure the project will be put first on their list.

What's even more annoying is somone coming in to talk shit, and never had any intention of buying one in the first place.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: rich on June 08, 2009, 03:38:12 PM
okay, that took less than 2 minutes. obviously, this is just a mock up post. but seriously...   ???

rich


What's even more annoying is somone coming in to talk shit, and never had any intention of buying one in the first place.

lame! someone? not exactly how Ghengis would address the issue.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Genghis Cougar Mellen Khan on June 08, 2009, 05:37:51 PM
okay, that took less than 2 minutes. obviously, this is just a mock up post. but seriously...   ???

rich


What's even more annoying is somone coming in to talk shit, and never had any intention of buying one in the first place.

lame! someone? not exactly how Ghengis would address the issue.

My comment wasn't directed at you...

I appologize if you took it that way.

Yes communication would be nice, it might be easy. But Beans rants annoy the shit out of me, I'm sure I'm not the only one.

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,120109.msg1606808.html#msg1606808

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: rich on June 09, 2009, 12:10:16 AM
GCMK

many thanks for clearing the air. fwiw, i was a confirmed buyer of the TS-2 and in contact with 5fish...i have all communication saved and documented if interested. in short, i was and to some degree remain very impressed with 5fish's product line and his craftmanship. however, as time passed and forum communication from 5fish ceased, my concern for potential future service needs from 5fish remains paramount. fwiw, i dont think Beans comments were meant to stain the project anymore than it has been thus far. with the exception of dactylus...can any member, regardless of your intent to purchase or not, honestly say that IF you were to purchase a TS-2, you have no servicing concerns and remain confident the issue / problem would be handled and resolved in a timely manner?

dactylus, no disrespect but it is clear that your communication and status with 5fish is quite different. so, kudos to you and your soon to arrive TS-2 whatever color it may be. i genuinely look forward to hearing how the TS-2 sounds.

rich

oh yeah, GCMK...shaker alumni here. go Browns!
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: NOLAfishwater on June 09, 2009, 10:16:01 AM
he hasn't taken anyone's money so there is no need to get pissed off at the guy. If the unit isn't profitable, why make a production run. We are not his target market. Studios are what keep him in business. If I read all the bullshit in this thread, I wouldn't build a fucking thing. I hope that he doesn't come through at all just to piss off some of the crybabies in this thread. He never gave a finite date of deliveryj so quityerbitchin or buy another preamp.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Chuck on June 09, 2009, 10:24:42 AM
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,122871.0.html   ;)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on June 17, 2009, 12:34:53 PM
^ 'did that... going on a week four weeks now w/o feedback.  I had asked him if it was possible to develop sound samples using other mics or micing other sources...

Flux capacitor is moving up in the poll...
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: willndmb on June 17, 2009, 03:10:25 PM
just wondering
for those that think this will be a good preamp and want to buy it
aren't you a little worried if you have an issue how the communication will be and if you can get it fixed in a somewhat timely fashion?
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on June 17, 2009, 03:28:58 PM
just wondering
for those that think this will be a good preamp and want to buy it
aren't you a little worried if you have an issue how the communication will be and if you can get it fixed in a somewhat timely fashion?

Not worried one bit on my end!

 :coolguy:

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 03, 2009, 11:37:12 AM


The Eagle Has Landed!  Thank you FF!!  It arrived this morning...   :)  Looks great, feels solid, now to hear it!!

I love the upgraded, machined aluminum knobs.

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo50/dactylus2010/TS-2Preamp-1.gif)


My photos were not nearly as nice as FF's so here is a link to actual photos of this beauty, just scroll down in the thread:

http://fivefishstudios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=502



It looks like I will be the "guinea pig" for the initial run of the TS-2 according to FiveFish.  The other seven units of the initial run of eight are complete, and according to FF will be offered to the folks that were on the wait list, if the TS2 passes muster in the field!!!  And I'm confident that it will pass the field testing with flying colors.

I look forward to your feedback once I have sound samples to provide.  I'm awaiting a power cable from Ed at KindKables and then the testing will commence.  Updates and torrent links using the TS-2 will be posted in this thread as soon as I have them, probably later next week...

Initial recording run will probably be Gefell m200 > TS-2 > sd722.

Have a great 4th!!





Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dennisrtyler on July 03, 2009, 11:56:58 AM
David remind me please, what are the switches on the front for other than 48v?
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 03, 2009, 12:01:50 PM
David remind me please, what are the switches on the front for other than 48v?

Left to Right:

VU metering
48V CH 1
Phase reversal CH 1
Phase reversal CH 2
48V CH 2
Power

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dennisrtyler on July 03, 2009, 12:16:01 PM
David remind me please, what are the switches on the front for other than 48v?

Left to Right:

VU metering
48V CH 1
Phase reversal CH 1
Phase reversal CH 2
48V CH 2
Power


:D
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: GDfan on July 03, 2009, 12:33:08 PM
Looks great, good luck with the field tests!
as one who thought this was merely vaporware, I am eating a crow pie today for lunch.
 :o
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dmonkey on July 03, 2009, 01:03:42 PM
Damn, that's pretty sexy! Interested to hear how it sounds.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on July 03, 2009, 01:14:29 PM
So who are the first 7 behind Dave?  'Glad these finally got off the bench.  Anxiously awaiting testing for sure.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: Jackpine on July 03, 2009, 05:43:53 PM


The Eagle Has Landed!  Thank you FF!!  It arrived this morning...   :)  Looks great, feels solid, now to hear it!!

I love the upgraded, machined aluminum knobs.

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo50/dactylus2010/TS-2Preamp-1.gif)


My photos were not nearly as nice as FF's so here is a link to actual photos of this beauty, just scroll down in the thread:

http://fivefishstudios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=502








Love the looks of this and your new Mics. You must feel like it's Christmas. Hope they sound as good as they look.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: jchall on July 03, 2009, 07:41:29 PM
Boy that sure does look purty.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: sanaka on July 04, 2009, 01:46:13 AM

Initial recording run will probably be Gefell m200 > TS-2 > sd722.

Have a great 4th!!


Dude, you gotta bust out your new JZ's with this! You'll be running the most unique rig around!

Peace,
Sanaka
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: TNJazz on July 04, 2009, 03:31:36 AM

Dude, you gotta bust out your new JZ's with this! You'll be running the most unique rig around!



 :coolguy:
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: caymanreview on July 04, 2009, 04:41:43 AM

My photos were not nearly as nice as FF's so here is a link to actual photos of this beauty, just scroll down in the thread:

http://fivefishstudios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=502


holy crap, that pic with the car sitting on the TS2 is very cool!

David, just what you needed, more gear to carry around :P
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 04, 2009, 06:40:56 AM

Initial recording run will probably be Gefell m200 > TS-2 > sd722.

Have a great 4th!!


Dude, you gotta bust out your new JZ's with this! You'll be running the most unique rig around!

Peace,
Sanaka

No worry, the JZ's will get the baptism too...

 :)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (really stuck) in its third trimester
Post by: rich on July 05, 2009, 09:29:55 AM
kudos to FF for bringing this to fruition.

rich
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on July 05, 2009, 01:52:26 PM
Of all the parties who've expressed interest in this box, what mics would you like to hear it paired with? 

The reason I ask is that since Dactylus now has one in hand some comparison tests are being kicked around here by Team Upper Midwest/Twin Cities.  As a group we have a pretty broad range of mics available for testing and rather than test them all, including capturing other pre amps at the same time, it might speed things up if we had some focus in our efforts to specifically help those who might be looking at this FF box.

We have access (probably, though not confirmed) to Busman and Oade moded UA5s, stock d-mod UA5, stock V3s, perhaps a V2, and an Nbox.  Prolly missing one other...  I'd envision testing against a UA5 and a Grace product at a minimum to provide some level of preamp comparison.

Because it's an analog pre I figure to simply run out of the TS-2 into something like a MicroTrack or an R09.

Personally I'm interested in the A-B comparison of this TS-2 and my T+mod UA5 while driving ADK TLs and Nak1000 mics.  You?  Any thoughts or comments?  This idea is in it's infancy so now's the time.  Also fielding suggestions for a good audio test signal that will cover as broad a range of source frequencies as possible.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: stevetoney on July 05, 2009, 03:57:22 PM
^^ What difference does it make?  He's not committed to making anymore and there will only be 8 of them out there, so who cares? 

Why would I be interested in a comp of a product that I can't purchase? 

Well, if it's the best preamp in the world, I guess I could be jealous of Dave that he has one and nobody else does.   ;D ;D

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on July 05, 2009, 05:14:15 PM
^  That's one way of looking at it.  Another is we might be able to create a buzz if there's any to be had.  It might induce him to re-think his production plans or perhaps put together a kit form and let DIY'ers wrestle with boxes etc.

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 05, 2009, 07:04:18 PM
^^ What difference does it make?  He's not committed to making anymore and there will only be 8 of them out there, so who cares? 

Why would I be interested in a comp of a product that I can't purchase? 

Well, if it's the best preamp in the world, I guess I could be jealous of Dave that he has one and nobody else does.   ;D ;D

Hey folks, I'm just trying to help us all out here.  FiveFish has already stated that he's considering reworking the TS2 design to eliminate the TIME CONSUMING wiring portion between the boards of the current design and come out with a version that he can market.  That is a fact, not speculation.


He doesn't need us to generate income and he owes us nothing.  But I think that he has a valuable product to offer the TS community and that is why I have tried to keep the ball rolling and focus on the positive!!  We are NOT his target audience, studio's are.  But I think that there is a distinct possibility that the TS-2 will be reborn. 

READ THE MIX MAGAZINE REVIEWS OF HIS PRODUCTS!

If any of you are interested then chime in...  Register at FF's site and send him comments if you care to.

That is all from me until the testing phase begins.  The power cable for the TS-2, from Ed at KindKables shipped to me two days ago.

 ;)

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 05, 2009, 07:23:10 PM

General FF info:

http://fivefishstudios.com/

http://fivefishstudios.com/forum/




READ THE 2 Mix Magazine REVIEWS!!

BTW the TS-2 is based on the SC-1.

http://fivefishstudios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=374

http://fivefishstudios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=310




New product - Transformer goodness:

http://fivefishstudios.com/index.php/X-12mk500-Mic-Preamp-Kit.html

http://fivefishstudios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=501

Now I'm done...

 ;D

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: stevetoney on July 05, 2009, 08:14:38 PM

...and he owes us nothing. 

Says you and several others... 

I basically disagree...I've stated why in the past, so no need to go there.  OTOH, it's not really a big deal either. 

I just think that saying 'he owes us nothing' is your opinion, but there are some people that don't agree with that statement.

AFAIC, it's simply an 'agree to disagree' thing. 
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on July 05, 2009, 09:50:49 PM
D, one of the reasons I want to fool around with it is because those Mix Mag fluff pieces don't tell me anything about the mics we use, or give us a sense of how it performs against other pre amps.  That's what I want to know.

And in a way, FF does owe us something.  We all batted his initial feature set around till he could live with something *we* wanted... then for all the reasons/excuses one could come up with... he shelved it.  If that's his MO, good luck selling more with out some endorsements from end users.

I'm not trying to be a Dick, just re-stating some of the obvious.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: flipp on July 06, 2009, 12:08:27 AM
I'd like to hear some Beyers through this; preferably into an unmodded FR2LE or a MT24/96 cause that's what I would be using as bit buckets and they are readily available and in use by many TSers.

Another combo would be a comparison to an Oade W-mod product as I have a couple of them (UA5 and FR2).
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 06, 2009, 06:54:31 AM
We can agree to disagree.  I stand firmly by my opinion.  If most of you want to let this TS-2 pre gear option die then I am OK with that.  My appeals here have been altruistic. 

I'm not on commission with FF so I will be content to do absolutely nothing else to further this cause. 

I will post links to my pulls using this pre in this thread.

 ::)



Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on July 06, 2009, 10:11:16 AM
D, did FF indicate that the other 7 boxes are ready to ship?  Odd that no one who might be on that short list has spoken up yet.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Neilyboy on July 06, 2009, 11:01:52 AM
dang that thing sure is purdy!! i am anxious to hear how it sounds man!

Neil
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: stevetoney on July 06, 2009, 11:42:17 AM
We can agree to disagree.  I stand firmly by my opinion.  If most of you want to let this TS-2 pre gear option die then I am OK with that.  My appeals here have been altruistic. 

I'm not on commission with FF so I will be content to do absolutely nothing else to further this cause. 

I will post links to my pulls using this pre in this thread.

 ::)

Dave:

From my perspective, it's not a matter of 'letting it die' because it's been dead for months...so the question is whether there's the possibility of a resurrection. 

If FF were still engaged, it would be different, but he's not engaged at all other than apparently in personal conversations with you, Dave. 

FWIW, I'm reading the fact that you got your preamp to be nothing more than perhaps he likes you and more likely that he wants to recoup some of the investment that he made last year.

If there were a thread of reality to the concept that these might come to fruition as a product, then obviously I'm all for it.

But why should we get excited all over again when a) he's already let us down once, and b) he's really given no indication that these will actually become a kit other than a couple of idle comments here and there?

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 06, 2009, 01:51:44 PM
D, did FF indicate that the other 7 boxes are ready to ship?  Odd that no one who might be on that short list has spoken up yet.

^^

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,114576.msg1651163.html#msg1651163

The continuation of this project, as I mentioned 2 pages ago will hinge on the testing of and YOUR opinions of this unit in my possession:



It looks like I will be the "guinea pig" for the initial run of the TS-2 according to FiveFish.  The other seven units of the initial run of eight are complete, and according to FF will be offered to the folks that were on the wait list, if the TS2 passes muster in the field!!!  And I'm confident that it will pass the field testing with flying colors.




Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on July 06, 2009, 04:48:45 PM
Thanks Dave for that dope slap... but at the core of what I blathered about is, where are the first seven people on the list in this discussion?  Are they not TS'rs?  That seems like the only reason this is banter is passing them by. 

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: willndmb on July 06, 2009, 07:37:19 PM
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,64289.0.html
maybe a splitter could help run a comp with another pre at the same time
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on July 06, 2009, 07:51:44 PM
 ^  I was heading there when I hit send and was warned that my post was prolly redundant!  ;D

Thanks for the idea though, it opens some new areas of process design.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on July 06, 2009, 09:27:41 PM
Definitely some pre set up work needs to be done.  Is 12 o'clock on the TS-2  = to  the same relative settings on the other pres?  Not sure how one would calibrate that...

For my ears I think making volume adjustments in playback, using some sort of VU indication to try and match output levels, would hopefully result in bringing out any noticeable differences between the mics and pre amps.

At this point I'm sure we're open to suggestions as to practical methods to achieve our ends.  After all, we're just a few geeks, not engineers.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 06, 2009, 09:51:33 PM
At this point I'm sure we're open to suggestions as to practical methods to achieve our ends.  After all, we're just a few geeks, not engineers.
^^
 ;D


TS-2 power cable arrived today.  Thank you Ed!     :coolguy:
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: perks on July 06, 2009, 10:07:24 PM
So David have you parked you car on it yet?   :o

or are you going to skip that test?
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on July 07, 2009, 01:51:34 PM
All good, thanks.

As to best presentation method... I see a potential for what might become an overwhelming matrix of comparison options.  I'm torn between trying to simply A-B-C the pre amp using a single mic and trying to see how a number of mics may or may not change character matched with the TS-2. Establishing a test method to satisfy both goals would generate a lot of data to sort out and present.

Would you find that over kill?  Should we focus on one benchmark mic and let the pre amp flavors bloom?

Still waiting to get organized on our end so we have time.  I think Dave is planing on running at a downtown street dance this weekend so he'll prolly have some preliminary comments soon.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 11, 2009, 08:53:54 AM


TS-2 news:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,123265.msg1654558.html#msg1654558

Not great news, but TS-2 news.   ::)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 12, 2009, 02:22:17 AM
I'll be running this same rig in 4 days for Gov't Mule, so what the hay...  Take it for what it is, definitely not an audiophile moment, just a concert memory...

The Black Crowes 07/10/09 - Basilica Block Party - Minneapolis, MN       

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=526579


The Black Crowes
07/10/09
Basilica Block Party
Minneapolis, MN


Source:  Microtech Gefell m200 > van den Hul silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48

Location: - 11' stand - DFC - Directly behind the SBD

Mic Config: DIN (90 degrees 20 cm)

Transfer: CF > USB 2.0 > PC


Volume, Fades, EQ & Resample to 44.1Hz Soundforge 9.0
Dither to 16 bits Izotope Ozone 3 MBIT+
Tracks Split with CD Wave Editor > FLAC Frontend

taped & transferred by David Lawrence

 
Disc 1:

01. Sting Me
02. Thick N' Thin
03. Goodbye Daughters Of The Revolution
04. Good Friday ->
05. Wiser Time
06. I Ain't Hiding
07. Downtown Money Waster ->
08. Thorn In My Pride


Disc 2:

01. Poor Elijah - Tribute To Johnson (Medley)
02. Hard To Handle
03. Remedy




The not so good news, it was VERY, VERY windy for the first 1/3 of the show, there are definitely wind phasing issues on the recording. 

I used the "big phat shure windscreens" to tame the wind howl, but the phasing issues are what they are.

And I should mention again that what followed was more wind, rain, more wind, rain, chatty asshats, more wind, rain, chatty asshats...  You get the picture.  It wasn't supposed to rain so there was no umbrella in my kit.  I started to abort a few times but toughed it out, the mics remained dry, the windscreens did not.

The recording is not a "throw away" but it is definitely not my finest taping hour.  Take it for what it is and enjoy a nice, albeit short show.

FWIW: The sound gets dialed in and the wind dies down a bit after the first 3-4 songs. I wish that I would have been able to set up fob but that wasn't possible in this case...



Thanks to The Black Crowes for allowing us to tape their performances and to share the recordings.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: rich on July 12, 2009, 11:41:40 AM
D, did FF indicate that the other 7 boxes are ready to ship?  Odd that no one who might be on that short list has spoken up yet.

Thanks Dave for that dope slap... but at the core of what I blathered about is, where are the first seven people on the list in this discussion?  Are they not TS'rs?  That seems like the only reason this is banter is passing them by. 



fwiw

i am on the short list. i have the email history w/ FF saved and documented to prove it. however, i see no reason to distract nor stain this thread any further. i am no longer interested in purchasing a TS-2 based on lack of communication. however, the product is now in the field and with TS members and that is a good thing...thank you FF for bringing this product to fruition.

rich

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on July 12, 2009, 04:26:21 PM
Rich, thanks for sharing.  Not sure you need to prove anything really, I was just curious if the other seven were as excited as Dactylus is over the prospect of running this box.    ;)

If you've moved on or changed your attitude about FF in general, I don't see any need to justify or substantiate that at all.  That wasn't what was behind my question. 

If I recall he limited the first waiting list to 50 didn't he and I know I got in past his cut off posting.  If I get any consideration for one of these seven I'm going to be really surprised.  I'm just wondering what the "early adopters" are thinking now is all.  One way or the other, good bad or indifferent.

Hopefully the testing that we're inching towards could help everyone out somehow.

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: rich on July 12, 2009, 09:53:17 PM
no worries or insult shouldered.

i just wanna hear how the dam thing sounds.

dactylus, thank you for sharing the bcrowes show...cant wait to hear a show minus mother nature in a bad mood. one more thing, take a picture of when u can. i dig the LED's!

rich
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 13, 2009, 06:45:09 AM
no worries or insult shouldered.

i just wanna hear how the dam thing sounds.

dactylus, thank you for sharing the bcrowes show...cant wait to hear a show minus mother nature in a bad mood. one more thing, take a picture of when u can. i dig the LED's!

rich

^^
Will do.  Hopefully the Gov't Mule show in 2 days will be the first real test...

 ;)

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 19, 2009, 11:27:07 AM
Second show for the TS-2.  Give it a whirl.


Gov't Mule - July 15, 2009 - Minnesota Zoo - Apple Valley, MN - Gefell M200       

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=526827


Gov't Mule,
July 15, 2009
Weesner Family Amphitheater
Minnesota Zoo
Apple Valley, MN

Source:  Microtech Gefell M200 > van den Hul silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48

Location: - DFC - 9' - clamped to SBD scaffolding
Mic Config: DIN (90 degrees 20 cm)
Transfer: CF > USB 2.0 > PC

Peak normalize to -1dB, Fades, EQ & Resample to 44.1Hz Soundforge 9.0
Dither to 16 bits Izotope Ozone 3 MBIT+
Tracks Split with CD Wave Editor > FLAC Frontend

taped & transferred by David Lawrence


Disc 1 - Set 1:

01. Soulshine
02. She Said She Said > Beatles Riff Jam > She Said She Said
03. Wandering Child
04. Larger Than Life > If 6 was 9 > Larger Than Life
05. Game Face
06. No Need To Suffer
07. When Doves Cry > Beautifully Broken > When Doves Cry > Beautifully Broken


Disc 2 - Set 2:

01. I'll Be The One
02. Banks Of The Deep End
03. Trampled Under Foot
04. Fallen Down
05. Gimme Shelter > The Other One > Drum Solo
06. Kind Of Bird
07. 30 Days In The Hole
08. crowd
Encore:
09. Into The Mystic > Soulshine (reprise)




My only disclaimer is that because of the windy conditions I was forced into having to run the "phat shure" windscreens again that night to allay my wind rumble paranoia...  Better safe than sorry I guess.

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Craig T on July 19, 2009, 02:47:56 PM
I see EQ in the chain...  what adjustments were made?
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 19, 2009, 03:27:48 PM
I see EQ in the chain...  what adjustments were made?

The only adjustment not detailed was to "peak" normalize to -1dB.

Absolutely No EQ was made - Sorry, my mistake in the text file.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 19, 2009, 04:03:11 PM

Hopefully the third TS-2 run will be Tuesday night, Sonic Youth, using the new JZ BT-201 mics for the first time... 

Many thanks for the mics to JZ Mics and Dirk of Big Purple Dog Productions.

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Əkoostikal on July 25, 2009, 01:31:55 PM

Gov't Mule,
July 15, 2009

Source:  Microtech Gefell M200 > van den Hul silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48


This sounds very good to my ears....... In fact, I Dl'd this the other day and listened but looked over the TS-S in the sig. path..... I thought to myself "wow this sounds really good!...... is this really only m200 >722?"...... Then I gave the source info another look and noticed the TS-2 in there. :) So I figured I would check in and give some feedback. To me the TS-2 sounds very comparable to a V2 or V3. I would love to hear some more tapes with your  m200 > TS-2 > 722 setup.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 26, 2009, 08:11:14 PM

Gov't Mule,
July 15, 2009

Source:  Microtech Gefell M200 > van den Hul silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48


This sounds very good to my ears....... In fact, I Dl'd this the other day and listened but looked over the TS-S in the sig. path..... I thought to myself "wow this sounds really good!...... is this really only m200 >722?"...... Then I gave the source info another look and noticed the TS-2 in there. :) So I figured I would check in and give some feedback. To me the TS-2 sounds very comparable to a V2 or V3. I would love to hear some more tapes with your  m200 > TS-2 > 722 setup.

More m200 > TS-2 > 722 coming soon - I ran this combo for a day at the 10,000 Lakes Music Festival this weekend... 

I also ran the TS-2 with other mics for the other 3 days of the festival...  I'll post links to those torrents as soon as they are ready.  I need to recover for a day or two though...

 ;)


Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on July 28, 2009, 06:48:53 PM
^ OK, you've had your day or two... let's get some torrents going rookie. ;)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on July 28, 2009, 08:22:17 PM
^ OK, you've had your day or two... let's get some torrents going rookie. ;)


 :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy::sleepy:...I'm an old fart and I'm bushed... :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:...maybe one tomorrow...:wink2:


Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on August 01, 2009, 09:57:09 AM

Umphrey's McGee - July 25, 2009 - 10,000 Lakes Festival - 16 bit - Gefell M200       

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=527181

Source:  Microtech Gefell m200 > van den Hul silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48

Absolutely no EQ.

Extremely windy conditions, phat shure windscreens & electric blue dead rats...

I can't seem to escape the wind these days, but it doesn't mar the recording.

More to come.

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: stevetoney on August 01, 2009, 09:03:28 PM
Hey Dave, what's up?  Glad you're starting to get your 10klf stuff out the door.  Anxious to hear some of your recordings with the blue box, although another part of me says not to download these in case they sound too good!   ;)


Umphrey's McGee - July 25, 2009 - 10,000 Lakes Festival - 16 bit - Gefell M200       

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=527181

Source:  Microtech Gefell m200 > van den Hul silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48

Absolutely no EQ.

Extremely windy conditions, phat shure windscreens & electric blue dead rats...

I can't seem to escape the wind these days, but it doesn't mar the recording.

More to come.


Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on August 02, 2009, 10:14:34 AM
^^
I wish that I would have had the "blue box" at Bonnaroo - I pulled some stellar recordings there, minimal wind, great taping locations, etc...  Recording conditions have not been optimal for me since returning from Bonnaroo - I hope that changes for Halloween Phish.   ;D

I hope to have a Wilco "blue box" recording with the JZ card mics up today.

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: newplanet7 on August 02, 2009, 12:21:39 PM
^^^
Fuckwin.
Get'em David.
////still waiting to hear your thoughts on the 661  >:D
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on August 02, 2009, 01:09:36 PM
^^
Wilco - July 23, 2009 - 10,000 Lakes Festival - 16 bit - JZ BT-201 (cards)   

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=527222


Source:  JZ BT-201 (cardioid) > van den Hul silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48

Mic Config: DIN (90 degrees 20 cm)


Using the TS-2 & the JZ BT-201 cards

Extremely windy, big shure windscreens, electric blue ratz...   ;)


I may have a 661 report for you on Tuesday my friend.    :yack:





Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on August 02, 2009, 02:48:37 PM
661?  ::)  Biggest.Slut.Ever  ;)

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: intpseeker on August 03, 2009, 12:06:59 PM

Umphrey's McGee - July 25, 2009 - 10,000 Lakes Festival - 16 bit - Gefell M200       

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=527181

Source:  Microtech Gefell m200 > van den Hul silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48

Absolutely no EQ.

Extremely windy conditions, phat shure windscreens & electric blue dead rats...

I can't seem to escape the wind these days, but it doesn't mar the recording.

More to come.



I like it, wind and all.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on August 16, 2009, 04:06:05 PM
Phish 08/11/09 - Toyota Park - Gefell mv692/m93 - 8' Split Omnis 

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=527547   


Source: Vintage Microtech Gefell mv692/m93 > Darktrain Silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48

Location: OTS, DIN, 10' stands, 15ft ROC, 8 ft split omnis


Of course the wind was fierce, I wouldn't bother to record otherwise.   ;)  Phat shure windscreens with rycote ratz.



Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: caymanreview on August 16, 2009, 10:52:46 PM
yes, fierce is right.

a few times during the show i found myself holding my stand stable

time for a beefier stand!
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on September 13, 2009, 11:05:15 AM
Phish
08/11/09
Toyota Park
Bridgeview, IL

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=528131

8' split omnis


Source: Vintage Microtech Gefell mv692/m93 > Darktrain Silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: yug du nord on September 13, 2009, 12:40:08 PM


Source: Vintage Microtech Gefell mv692/m93 > Darktrain Silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48



Does the TS-2 have a digi option?
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Ben Turnbull on September 13, 2009, 02:59:00 PM
no
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on September 13, 2009, 05:20:15 PM


Source: Vintage Microtech Gefell mv692/m93 > Darktrain Silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48



Does the TS-2 have a digi option?
^^
No, and I'm using the sd722 for the AD>Recorder only here, the pre side of the sd722 is not in play.

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on November 22, 2009, 07:46:31 PM

Widespread Panic - July 24, 2009 - 10,000 Lakes Festival - JZ BT-201 Split Omnis - **New Source**

  http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=530130

July 24, 2009
10,000 Lakes Festival
Soo Pass Ranch
Detroit Lakes, MN


Source: JZ BT-201 (3' split omnis) > van den Hul silver > FiveFish TS-2  (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48

Mic Config: JZ BT-201 omnis - run split at three feet

Location: Left side of the VIP section - Front rail - 12' stand

Transfer: CF > USB 2.0 > PC


Volume, Fades & Resample to 44.1Hz Soundforge 9.0
Dither to 16 bits Izotope Ozone 3 MBIT+
Tracks Split with CD Wave Editor > FLAC Frontend

taped & transferred by David Lawrence


Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on November 28, 2009, 10:17:21 AM

Here's another short, sweet sample recording for your listening pleasure - NO EQ!!

 ;D


Steve Kimock Crazy Engine 07/24/2009 - 10KLF - **New Source** JZ-BT-201 Split Omnis

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=530334



Steve Kimock Crazy Engine
Field Stage
July 24, 2009
10,000 Lakes Festival
Soo Pass Ranch
Detroit Lakes, MN


Source:  JZ BT-201 (3' split omnis) > van den Hul silver > FiveFish TS-2  (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48

Mic Config: JZ BT-201 omnis - three foot split

Location:  FOB DFC OTS 12' stand

Transfer: CF > USB 2.0 > PC


Volume, Fades & Resample to 44.1Hz Soundforge 9.0
Dither to 16 bits Izotope Ozone 3 MBIT+
Tracks Split with CD Wave Editor > FLAC Frontend

taped & transferred by David Lawrence


01. A New Africa
02. Long Form Part 4
03. Crazy Engine
04. That's What Love Will Make You Do
05. Ice Cream
06. Tongue 'n' Groove
07. Band Introductions



http://www.kimock.com

Steve Kimock - Guitar
John Morgan Kimock - Drums
Trevor Exter - Bass
Melvin Seals - Vocal and Keyboards

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on November 29, 2009, 10:49:53 AM

Everyone Orchestra - 07/24/2009 - 10,000 Lakes Festival - Split Omnis **New Source**

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=530352



Everyone Orchestra
Field Stage
July 24, 2009
10,000 Lakes Festival
Soo Pass Ranch
Detroit Lakes, MN


Source:  JZ BT-201 (3' split omnis) > van den Hul silver > FiveFish TS-2  (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48

Mic Config: JZ BT-201 omnis - three foot split

Location:  FOB DFC OTS 12' stand

Transfer: CF > USB 2.0 > PC


Volume, Fades & Resample to 44.1Hz Soundforge 9.0
Dither to 16 bits Izotope Ozone 3 MBIT+
Tracks Split with CD Wave Editor > FLAC Frontend

taped & transferred by David Lawrence

01. intro
02.
03.
04.
05. Rex Jam
06.
07.
08. outro

Steve Kimock - guitar
John Morgan Kimock - drums
Trevor Garrod - keyboard, vocals (Tea Leaf Green)
Alisa Volker & Sarah Kruger - vocals
Aaron Zindal - violin
Randall Moore - percussion (The Ragbirds)
Reid Mathis - bass (Tea Leaf Green)
R.J. Peterson - guitar (Fat Maw Rooney)
Dominic Lalli - saxaphone (Big Gigantic)

Many thanks to the gracious staff of 10KLF for their hospitality and for allowing us to tape and share these performances.  See you at 10KLF in 2010.

http://www.10klf.com/




Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on December 12, 2009, 10:36:32 PM
Trampled By Turtles - 07/24/09 - 10KLF - **New Source** Split Omnis
       
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=530709



Trampled By Turtles
07/24/09
10,000 Lakes Festival
Main Stage
Soo Pass Ranch
Detroit Lakes, MN


Source:  JZ BT-201 (3' split omnis) > van den Hul silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48

Mic Config: JZ BT-201 omnis - three foot split

Location:  Left side of the VIP section - Front rail - 12' stand

Transfer: CF > USB 2.0 > PC


Volume, Fades & Resample to 44.1Hz Soundforge 9.0
Dither to 16 bits Izotope Ozone 3 MBIT+
Tracks Split with CD Wave Editor > FLAC Frontend

taped & transferred by David Lawrence

Disc 01

01. New Son
02. The Darkness And The Light
03. Stranger
04. White Noise
05. Silver And Gold
06. Truck
07. Nobody Else
08. Leaves That Are Green Turned To Brown +
09. Trouble
10. November
11. Wait So Long
12. Instrumental?
13. Nowhere to Hide
14. Burn for Free
15. Shenandoah #,++
16. Ship Comes In #,^


Disc 02

01. Empire
02. Arming of Infants
03. Whiskey
04. Ceiling Slide
05. Codeine
06. crowd
encore
07. School Bus Driver




+ Simon and Garfunkel
++ Dan Zanes
^ Bob Dylan

http://www.trampledbyturtles.com
 
Dave Simonett (guitar)
Tim Saxhaug (bass)
Dave Carroll (banjo)
Erik Berry (mandolin)
Ryan Young (fiddle)

# With Rich Mattson
Accompanied by Talem Berry (age ~ 2) on sticks and a ball at various times



Support those artists and venues that allow taping.  See them live, buy their merchandise, bring a friend to the show.  Many thanks to the gracious staff of 10KLF for their hospitality and to Trampled By Turtles for allowing us to tape and share their performances. 

See you at 10KLF in 2010.

http://www.10klf.com/

 
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on December 27, 2009, 11:20:56 AM

More recordings using the TS-2 will be posted soon, including the very nice Indio, CA recordings...

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: flipp on December 27, 2009, 11:45:42 AM
Some new posts in 5fishes forum about maybe resurrecting the TS2 with a few mods (including one to the price). Only time will tell if anything comes of the talk.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on December 27, 2009, 12:16:19 PM
Some new posts in 5fishes forum about maybe resurrecting the TS2 with a few mods (including one to the price). Only time will tell if anything comes of the talk.
^^
Yes, I really hope that he does come out with a TS-2 "that he can afford to produce" and offer up for sale without a massive amount of "grunt labor" on his end.  The TS-2 is a great sounding box in my opinion...

 :)


TS-2 Rev.B Design


http://fivefishstudios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=553&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highligh





Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: sunjan on March 30, 2010, 05:16:09 AM
It seems that FF is testing a new prototype.
His forum has seen some action recently, with new pictures posted on 2/28:
http://fivefishstudios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=553
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: spzkt on April 02, 2010, 09:50:21 PM
Got email from FiveFish answering a question about availability of the TS-2 "old-style" prototype:

Quote
I have (2) left.

A red case with black panel, and a light gold case with black panel.


The price he quoted is close to what he originally posted in these threads.

I decided not to buy as I want something with a bit more flexibility (m/s decoding and monitoring, on-board a/d, etc).

cheers
Paul
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: ScotK on April 03, 2010, 02:31:55 AM
Can you remind us of what that previous price was so we don't have to search through 60 or so pages of posts?
thanks.

S
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: spzkt on April 03, 2010, 04:17:54 AM
He was asking $499 + shipping.  Add a buck to that.


 
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on April 03, 2010, 09:06:20 AM


I'll say it once again, the TS-2 is a great sounding box in my opinion...


 :headphones:

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: GDfan on April 03, 2010, 01:36:10 PM
Got email from FiveFish answering a question about availability of the TS-2 "old-style" prototype:

Quote
I have (2) left.

A red case with black panel, and a light gold case with black panel.


The price he quoted is close to what he originally posted in these threads.

I decided not to buy as I want something with a bit more flexibility (m/s decoding and monitoring, on-board a/d, etc).

cheers
Paul


thanks I emailed him about the yellow/gold unit. gonna get it this week.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: spzkt on April 03, 2010, 04:33:09 PM
Cool!

The THAT1510 is a really sweet chip.  I built a battery powered pre a few years ago which I ran in front of a Sony MZ-RH1 for nature recording. Even with really basic perf board construction the pre was far quieter that the RH1's internal preamps (which were praised in naturerecording circles for their low noise level) and had an almost dead flat noise floor when measured at 66db gain.

There a recording I made with this set up on line, tho it is a dawn chorus so  be warned
http://www.urbanbirder.com.au/victoria/mount-samaria-dawn-chorus

cheers
Paul
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: GDfan on April 16, 2010, 01:58:44 PM
Just got it in, this thing is a beauty
did some initial testing and it sounds meaty with my 481's
can't wait to tape a show now.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on April 16, 2010, 02:50:05 PM
Just got it in, this thing is a beauty
did some initial testing and it sounds meaty with my 481's
can't wait to tape a show now.
^
Congratulations!! 

 :coolguy:

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: GDfan on June 26, 2010, 11:32:00 AM
My first recording with the TS-2 Pre, I used it last night at Furthur in Rochester, NY
I am really happy with this recording

http://www.archive.org/details/Furthur2010-06-25.AKG481


Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on November 01, 2010, 10:10:01 AM


TTT
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: jbell on November 01, 2010, 10:19:38 AM
funny you bumped this thread I just looked into buying one.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on November 01, 2010, 05:06:52 PM
funny you bumped this thread I just looked into buying one.

^
The transformer version or the non-transformer version? 

 ;)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: jbell on November 01, 2010, 05:31:46 PM
Didn't realize there are 2 versions.  FishFive said he has 3 left

funny you bumped this thread I just looked into buying one.

^
The transformer version or the non-transformer version? 

 ;)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on November 02, 2010, 07:25:26 AM

The transformer version (in and out) hasn't been made available yet as far as I know but it was in the testing phase.  Check out his site for further details.


Didn't realize there are 2 versions.  FishFive said he has 3 left

funny you bumped this thread I just looked into buying one.

^
The transformer version or the non-transformer version? 

 ;)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: jbell on November 02, 2010, 08:37:53 AM
I think the ones he has are from the original run.


The transformer version (in and out) hasn't been made available yet as far as I know but it was in the testing phase.  Check out his site for further details.


Didn't realize there are 2 versions.  FishFive said he has 3 left

funny you bumped this thread I just looked into buying one.

^
The transformer version or the non-transformer version? 

 ;)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on November 05, 2010, 07:20:48 AM
^
The TS-2 has a locking switchcraft connector for battery power that is a different size than the V3 locking switchcraft connector.  I run mine using a Tekkeon MP 3450...  Ed from KindKables made a very nice battery cable for me.

Good luck with your purchase!

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: jbell on November 05, 2010, 07:58:50 AM
Ended up grabbing an SD MP-2! 

^
The TS-2 has a locking switchcraft connector for battery power that is a different size than the V3 locking switchcraft connector.  I run mine using a Tekkeon MP 3450...  Ed from KindKables made a very nice battery cable for me.

Good luck with your purchase!
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: F.O.Bean on December 17, 2010, 01:03:58 AM
I want a transformer version. I might have to buy a new Aerco tho w xlr ins AND outs!
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: bhadella on December 17, 2010, 01:22:20 PM
Beannnnnn!       :o  8)  ;D  :P  :)  :D  >:D  ;)  :o  8)  :laugh:
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: page on December 17, 2010, 01:34:41 PM
Beannnnnn!       :o  8)  ;D  :P  :)  :D  >:D  ;)  :o  8)  :laugh:
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: F.O.Bean on December 23, 2010, 09:26:16 PM
Beannnnnn!       :o  8)  ;D  :P  :)  :D  >:D  ;)  :o  8)  :laugh:

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMMMMMMM BBBBBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK 8)

W/ a new HP Slimline PC and everything! Took me 6 months of saving to PHINALLY get it tho :P Now im back on my way to 30k posts :P :) 8)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: Chuck on December 23, 2010, 10:18:33 PM
It's good to see you Bean.
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: sunjan on December 24, 2010, 06:04:15 AM
http://www.derekerdman.com/2/wesley_willis/drag_disharmony_hell_ride/Kevin%20And%20Bean.mp3

This song always cracks me up.  ;D
Bean, your my best buddy forever...  8) >:D ;)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on January 01, 2011, 02:50:24 PM


Info from FiveFish for the folks that own these pre's, here is the part number for the locking Switchcraft power connector: Go to Mouser.com   part #  502-760K

 ;)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: igene on January 06, 2011, 10:35:48 AM


Info from FiveFish for the folks that own these pre's, here is the part number for the locking Switchcraft power connector: Go to Mouser.com   part #  502-760K

 ;)

Thanks... I needed that !  ;D
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: F.O.Bean on January 21, 2011, 12:20:16 AM
I didnt know he ever actually released any of these. What do they sound like? Any other pres out there? Or is the LB just as good if not better ???
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on January 22, 2011, 07:54:20 AM
I didnt know he ever actually released any of these. What do they sound like? Any other pres out there? Or is the LB just as good if not better ???

Several TS'ers have these now, they sound very nice indeed.  He may actually have one or two left.  If you were interested I would e-mail him from his website

Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: F.O.Bean on January 22, 2011, 02:49:59 PM
I didnt know he ever actually released any of these. What do they sound like? Any other pres out there? Or is the LB just as good if not better ???

Several TS'ers have these now, they sound very nice indeed.  He may actually have one or two left.  If you were interested I would e-mail him from his website



Too late, sent a USPS MO for an LB yesterday w/ Transformer INS/OUTS
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on January 22, 2011, 04:09:14 PM

^
It is NEVER  too late...    ;)

At some point this year I'll probably add a Tinybox / Littlebox to the arsensal.  Actually I'd like to have one of each.   :wink2:
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: F.O.Bean on January 22, 2011, 04:27:33 PM

^
It is NEVER  too late...    ;)

At some point this year I'll probably add a Tinybox / Littlebox to the arsensal.  Actually I'd like to have one of each.   :wink2:

Yea I'd like to have a TB too, but its not THAT MUCH SMALLER than my MBHO Bodies ;) Would be nice for when I run LB>PCM-M10 tho :)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: igene on February 26, 2011, 03:19:35 PM
well,
I bought my TS-2 late last year, and have been working with Ruel on getting it looking the way I saw it in my mind.
Thank you Ruel !
I just finished today.  It took a while to get all the new components together.
It was originally black face w/ a red body and black plastic knobs.
Started out like this >
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z48/igene_01/TS-2-MicPreampRed-1.jpg)

I've only tested it at home with various mics, now I'm waiting to take it out to a show.
I also made a custom right angle DC connector, and the battery is a 12V / 9.8 Amp Li-Ion.

What do you think ?
a (re)Vamped edition... 

(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z48/igene_01/DSCF6663.jpg)
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z48/igene_01/DSCF6672.jpg)
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z48/igene_01/100_1953.jpg)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on February 26, 2011, 03:25:35 PM


 :coolguy:  That looks very nice and it will sound that way too!!

I went with the machined aluminum knobs on mine.



Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: igene on February 27, 2011, 03:42:39 PM
I have the original RED body and RED back plate available to anyone that want to swap out a RED color.
$25. plus shipping.
(like new because it is !)

It's $35. plus shipping from the orig. Manf. plus shipping.
Then you have to drill out the back plate...
This is ready to

Posted in YS too !



(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z48/igene_01/100_1970.jpg)


I also have the original set of 4 BLACK plastic ones that came with the pre,
$10. + USPS shipping.
$5. if you get the body/back panel.

(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z48/igene_01/100_1973.jpg)
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: F.O.Bean on February 28, 2011, 09:48:41 PM
Lookin' good fellas ;D
Title: Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
Post by: dactylus on November 05, 2017, 02:01:29 PM
Bump for old times sake.  I hope to run the TS-2 again in the near future.  Anyone else out there in TS land still have one?

 :guitarist: