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Title: Neil Young, "Pono" high-rez player
Post by: boltman on December 07, 2012, 05:02:51 PM
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/pono-music-player-ipod-neil-young,19476.html
Title: Re: Neil Young, "Pono" high-rez player
Post by: DigiGal on December 07, 2012, 11:03:03 PM
There were a couple of Pono threads a while back, linked here for reference.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=158584.0

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=158419.0
Title: Re: Neil Young, "Pono" high-rez player
Post by: 108Ω on May 19, 2018, 06:43:42 AM
Fry's is blowing out their Pono inventory for $130 today  (with Promo code)
Probably a decent value, but limited forward support.
Not that most portable players have good support, anyhow.
Title: Re: Neil Young, "Pono" high-rez player
Post by: nolamule on May 19, 2018, 08:45:26 AM
Only available for local purchase or delivery? What is the promo code?
Title: Re: Neil Young, "Pono" high-rez player
Post by: Jammin72 on May 19, 2018, 12:46:33 PM
I signed up to get the code... lol.  No e-Mail yet.  Ayre makes nice things even if you don't care about Pono.
Title: Re: Neil Young, "Pono" high-rez player
Post by: 108Ω on May 19, 2018, 08:48:58 PM
Sold out    I shoulda...

There will be better high resolution players to come
Title: Re: Neil Young, "Pono" high-rez player
Post by: raymonda on May 25, 2018, 04:11:32 PM
I forecasted Pono as dead out of the gate. I was not surprised that it didn't last, as it was a dead end medium.

Talk about dead end mediums, the history of Pono started when Neil was first working with Meridian, who after a few years of development pulled the plug and then Neil went with Charlie Hansen of Ayre.

Well, look what Meridian did with all that work they put into Pono. They came up with their own dead end medium and are now trying to pee in our digital stream. The world did need Pono and the world now doesn't need MQA, another dead end medium!
Title: Re: Neil Young, "Pono" high-rez player
Post by: 108Ω on June 03, 2018, 08:54:33 AM
I forecasted Pono as dead out of the gate. I was not surprised that it didn't last, as it was a dead end medium.

Talk about dead end mediums, the history of Pono started when Neil was first working with Meridian, who after a few years of development pulled them through plug and then Neil went with Charlie Hansen of Ayre.

Well, look what Meridian did with all that work they put into Pono. They came up with their own dead end medium and are now trying to pee in our digital stream. The world did need Pono and the world now doesn't need MQA, another dead end medium!

High resolution digital audio is pretty far from a dead-end medium...
8TB external hard drives for $120 !!!?
The newest D/A chips are holographic.
980GB FTTH service abounds, and at very least >25MB is typical, 10GB on the way, 5G mobile starting up
So we're due for change
The distro channels need a kick in the backside.
People need to fight for their transient response and cymbals and brass !!!
They need to be vocal about the smear and "ringing" defects.
Entry-level at FLAC2496 should be what artists demand, and consumers want.

MP3 sucked 20 years ago, approaching 2020, it's pathetic.

http://mp3ornot.com
Title: Re: Neil Young, "Pono" high-rez player
Post by: capnhook on June 03, 2018, 11:04:59 AM
Consumer 24/96 is snake oil.

Please cite a 24/96 vs. 16/44.1 Blind A-B Test Comparison with results where 24/96 is the winner.

I can't find one.



Let's keep it real here at TS.com please, eh?


Title: Re: Neil Young, "Pono" high-rez player
Post by: 108Ω on June 04, 2018, 06:39:38 AM
Consumer 24/96 is snake oil.

Please cite a 24/96 vs. 16/44.1 Blind A-B Test Comparison with results where 24/96 is the winner.

I can't find one.



Let's keep it real here at TS.com please, eh?

Your ears aren't mine, and vice versa.
MP3 128  to MP3 320, everyone hears, once they know what to listen for.
Most sense the smearing and sibilance issues before.

44.1/16  was a best approximation to what human hearing is capable, with very little headroom.
It exceeds what vinyl and most consumer analog tape are capable of.
96/24 leaves substantial headroom at very small cost (now).

Can I hear the difference between CD and 96/24 FLAC ?
I believe that I can.
It took quite a while, but I "sense" a snap in drums.
There is something in brass, especially the rustic Asian horns, which have a buzzy quality.
But mostly, I hear it in acoustic piano in room reverberations and "air".
I'm recording a good deal of solo piano these days. (in 88.2/24, by the way)

The Archive is full of comps, eTree may as well.
Look for solo piano, I think you may hear what I mean.

This one has a great deal of air, maybe to test a track or two?:
(https://d24jnm9llkb1ub.cloudfront.net/icpn/034062300778/034062300778-cover-zoom.jpg)
Title: Re: Neil Young, "Pono" high-rez player
Post by: raymonda on June 08, 2018, 10:36:59 PM
I forecasted Pono as dead out of the gate. I was not surprised that it didn't last, as it was a dead end medium.

Talk about dead end mediums, the history of Pono started when Neil was first working with Meridian, who after a few years of development pulled them through plug and then Neil went with Charlie Hansen of Ayre.

Well, look what Meridian did with all that work they put into Pono. They came up with their own dead end medium and are now trying to pee in our digital stream. The world did need Pono and the world now doesn't need MQA, another dead end medium!

High resolution digital audio is pretty far from a dead-end medium...
8TB external hard drives for $120 !!!?
The newest D/A chips are holographic.
980GB FTTH service abounds, and at very least >25MB is typical, 10GB on the way, 5G mobile starting up
So we're due for change
The distro channels need a kick in the backside.
People need to fight for their transient response and cymbals and brass !!!
They need to be vocal about the smear and "ringing" defects.
Entry-level at FLAC2496 should be what artists demand, and consumers want.

MP3 sucked 20 years ago, approaching 2020, it's pathetic.

http://mp3ornot.com

Dude, I said Pono was dead out of the gate not Hi Rez audio. Please do a better job of reading before commenting on my post MQA will see the same fate.

Ray
Title: Re: Neil Young, "Pono" high-rez player
Post by: 108Ω on June 09, 2018, 04:10:08 PM
^^ wasn't really sure which you meant...
Agreed on MQA, but my jury's out on DSD
If the backing shows up, some ads, a few artists... who knows
I don't think there's debate that storage, network, and portability are all onboard.

"Pono mastered" labels... Did they ever get printed?

Title: Re: Neil Young, "Pono" high-rez player
Post by: edtyre on June 22, 2018, 11:39:36 AM
I have plenty of 24/192 recordings that sound like shit.
and many 16/44.1 that sound amazing. High rez doesn't make a bad
recording sound better.

The Iphone with the Onkyo HF app will play Hi REz flac files. I already have one
no need to buy a separate player :-)
Title: Re: Neil Young, "Pono" high-rez player
Post by: 108Ω on July 29, 2018, 06:20:31 AM
Did this link ever make it on to the playback board?

https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/02/411473508/how-well-can-you-hear-audio-quality

Here's a great way to tick away the moments that make up a dull day:

http://www.2l.no/hires/