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Title: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: Brian Skalinder on September 07, 2016, 10:13:04 AM
Anyone running this configuration?  Milab VM-44 Link (cardioid or omnis) > Naiant IPA(s) > recorder?

I don't see it on the Naiant website as explicitly supported, but wondering if anyone has leveraged one of the other supported configurations that also may happen to work with the Milabs.

I've pinged Jon via email, but thought I'd check in here, as well, to see if anyone has tried this option.
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: Hypnocracy on September 07, 2016, 03:41:06 PM
Early on in the IPA info release I asked about this...IIRC...The IPA will support the Milab MV-44 Links. If you desire a balanced connection to the capsules it will require TWO (2) IPA units. MBHO's are the same...this was explained in the orginal IPA announcement thread that appears to be deleted.

I see "IPA's" in your sig line...are you using one for each MBHO? That was the case in order to run my Milab's balanced...

Yes I have one for each microphone and a Y cable XLR to stereo mini to run into my M10.

I'll try to post some pictures soon.

Here is my IPA setup

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4dFEOogjXgk/V0DPGvJ5DiI/AAAAAAAABvM/cRW22VpmpbMFN7NJAhItpio7vDW4OIDIACLcB/s1600/IPA_MBHO_20160521_144129.jpg)
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: Brian Skalinder on September 08, 2016, 10:14:07 AM
Thanks, Hypno.  From my emails with Jon, sounds like the VM-44 Links are supported.  Jon and I are in email discussions about what I want to do and what I'll need, exactly, to accomplish my goals (if it's even possible, since I'm pursuing a somewhat unusual option).
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: Fried Chicken Boy on September 10, 2016, 01:19:24 PM
Would be very cool to see a VM-44 Link > IPA rig in action. 

Thinking aloud here, I wouldn't be surprised if you could also wire up a set of VM-44 Links to run off the PFAs (with a recorder's P48) as hi and lo did with these Neumann capsules and cables. > http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=178035.0 (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=178035.0)
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: dactylus on September 10, 2016, 02:05:42 PM
Would be very cool to see a VM-44 Link > IPA rig in action. 

Thinking aloud here, I wouldn't be surprised if you could also wire up a set of VM-44 Links to run off the PFAs (with a recorder's P48) as hi and lo did with these Neumann capsules and cables. > http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=178035.0 (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=178035.0)

^
Naiant is constructing a PFA to power my VM-44 Links using P48 as we speak.

Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: ArchivalAudio on September 16, 2016, 04:02:05 PM
Would be very cool to see a VM-44 Link > IPA rig in action. 

Thinking aloud here, I wouldn't be surprised if you could also wire up a set of VM-44 Links to run off the PFAs (with a recorder's P48) as hi and lo did with these Neumann capsules and cables. > http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=178035.0 (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=178035.0)

^
Naiant is constructing a PFA to power my VM-44 Links using P48 as we speak.

oh  that is good new indeed!  please report back in the team Milab thread.
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: dactylus on October 01, 2016, 03:06:54 PM
Would be very cool to see a VM-44 Link > IPA rig in action. 

Thinking aloud here, I wouldn't be surprised if you could also wire up a set of VM-44 Links to run off the PFAs (with a recorder's P48) as hi and lo did with these Neumann capsules and cables. > http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=178035.0 (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=178035.0)

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Naiant is constructing a PFA to power my VM-44 Links using P48 as we speak.


I received the Naiant PFA and I will test it once I receive the techflexed, 5 pin mini-xlr, VM-44 link cables back...

Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: dactylus on October 30, 2016, 11:26:05 AM
(Also crossposted at Team Naiant)

I received a pair of PFA's from Jon to run my VM-44 Links a few weeks ago.  I haven't run these in the field yet but I did test them by recording my home stereo and everything appeared to work as intended! 

I also had darktrain techflex a pair of my VM-44 Link cables, remove the binder connectors that Milab uses with the Links and replace them with two, 5 pin mini-xlr's.  The two PFA's from Jon also use 5 pin mini-xlr connectors.  Everything appears to have worked as intended with my home stereo recording.  Once I actually have the opportunity to run these in the field I will post a link.  Darktrain also constructed a pair of 3' adapter cables that will allow me to use my VM-44 Link cables with the original Milab bodies should I desire to do so.

Many thanks to Jon & Darktrain!!
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: Popmarter on October 30, 2016, 02:45:47 PM
Sounds great! Having Milabs myself. Would love to see some pictures of the complete setup.  :coolguy:

Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: ArchivalAudio on October 30, 2016, 08:26:29 PM
(Also crossposted at Team Naiant)

I received a pair of PFA's from Jon to run my VM-44 Links a few weeks ago.  I haven't run these in the field yet but I did test them by recording my home stereo and everything appeared to work as intended! 

I also had darktrain techflex a pair of my VM-44 Link cables, remove the binder connectors that Milab uses with the Links and replace them with two, 5 pin mini-xlr's.  The two PFA's from Jon also use 5 pin mini-xlr connectors.  Everything appears to have worked as intended with my home stereo recording.  Once I actually have the opportunity to run these in the field I will post a link.  Darktrain also constructed a pair of 3' adapter cables that will allow me to use my VM-44 Link cables with the original Milab bodies should I desire to do so.

Many thanks to Jon & Darktrain!!

Sounds like a nice alternative... please let us know your thoughts after you test in the field.
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: Hypnocracy on November 02, 2016, 03:49:43 AM
Do I hate the Milab plastic Binder...after almost $500 to repair and lengthen the cables most certainly...essentially replacing the body with mini XLRs to PFA makes the setup more compact for sure...

Get them out soon so we can hear them...
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: waltmon on March 02, 2017, 03:39:49 PM
Were the original VM-44 link cables modified and used in this application...or were new cables used?  Considering pulling the trigger on a pair of Classics, but would like to have a set off active PFA cables built for lower profile application.
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: Hypnocracy on March 02, 2017, 05:52:18 PM
I believe dactylus modified his set...

...I also had darktrain techflex a pair of my VM-44 Link cables, remove the binder connectors that Milab uses with the Links and replace them with two, 5 pin mini-xlr's.  The two PFA's from Jon also use 5 pin mini-xlr connectors.  Everything appears to have worked as intended with my home stereo recording.  Once I actually have the opportunity to run these in the field I will post a link.  Darktrain also constructed a pair of 3' adapter cables that will allow me to use my VM-44 Link cables with the original Milab bodies should I desire to do so.

Many thanks to Jon & Darktrain!!
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: Brian Skalinder on March 02, 2017, 07:23:56 PM
Waltmon -- The VM44 Classic would get you the caps + the bodies, but you'd still need the Milab "active cables" (I refer to them as the Links cables) to run the caps without the bodies.  In other words, there has to be something to connect the VM-44 caps to the PFAs.  I don't know if the Links cables are available outside of a set of VM-44 Links (at least I don't see them on the Milab website), and I'm not familiar with any 3rd party knockoffs (like some of the Schoeps or AKG options that are available).

The Links are similar to the Schoeps KC cables...

(http://www.schoeps.de/IMG/products/product_pics/kc5.gif)

...except the mic body side of the cable (left in the above picture) is integral to the mic bodies and cannot be removed from the mic body.*  The cap side of the Links, like the KC (right in the above pic), provides the connection point for the caps.

* The Schoeps system is completely modular.  You can run the mic bodies + caps with or without the "active" cables in between.  In the Milab world, since the mic body side of the Links are integrated with the mic body, you must always run the Links cables between body and caps, and cannot put the caps directly onto the mic bodies without the Links.
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: MattH on March 02, 2017, 08:18:18 PM
Were the original VM-44 link cables modified and used in this application...or were new cables used?  Considering pulling the trigger on a pair of Classics, but would like to have a set off active PFA cables built for lower profile application.

I have purchased link cables from Milab before when I wanted a 5 meter set. Those could then be modified for PFA's. I don't remember the exact cost but recall them being in the $175 range for each cable. Maybe I can search and find my old email receipt. I know they now accept paypal for payment on parts. Mattias is the person to talk to there.
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: Brian Skalinder on March 02, 2017, 08:32:06 PM
Great to hear, Matt.  And at a quite reasonable price (relatively speaking)!
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: Hypnocracy on March 03, 2017, 05:55:00 AM
When I send my set back for 4 meter cables and checkup....Milab billed close to $500...If replacement cables with Colette Is only $175 each wish I had gone that route...

 :zombie03:
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: dactylus on March 03, 2017, 06:17:52 AM
Were the original VM-44 link cables modified and used in this application...or were new cables used?  Considering pulling the trigger on a pair of Classics, but would like to have a set off active PFA cables built for lower profile application.

An original set of VM-44 link cables were modified.  I'm having a second set of Milab active cables modified for PFA use too.  The pair of active cables that I purchased through Mattias were around $175 each ($350 for the pair).  Plus there is a shipping charge and I think there was a "customs duty charge" too.  I am extremely happy with my PFA setup for the 44-Links!
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: Popmarter on June 26, 2017, 01:39:40 AM
checking in, i want these too.
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: ninjadave on October 07, 2018, 11:11:11 PM
didn't want to start a new topic, appears my question is covered here but wanted to be sure.

i have the Milab VM-44 links and run them with the big bodies and interconnects into a PMD661. I've been doing this since 2012 and i always stealth these, and its becoming a nightmare with metal detectors, etc. the footprint is too big now. 

i would first like to get away from the PMD661 and it appears the IPA will let me do this (power the mics). i think this will be a better rig for stealthing, replacing the bodies with IPAs and running that into a M10 which i currently own which has little or no use on it.  this would shrink my footprint substantially, the interconnects I have are also cumbersome.

can i do this?

milab mic caps>original cables>ipa (2 of them?)> m10.

this would have me ditching the milab bodies, the interconnects and the PMD661 size....

i've also seen here that i guess i could have the cables modded to mini xlr and that would be a sturdier plug, ya, that milab 5pin plug on the mic cable seems really flimsy but i've no issues yet....should i leave the connections alone? how much to switch? i know i'll never need to go back to the bodies but if someone else did (i sold the mics, etc), then what?

thanks for any help, i was gonna email Jon but thought I'd check with the pros here first.
thanks again.

ninjadave.

Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: jbell on October 10, 2018, 05:06:09 PM
You should be able to run one IPA!!  It will provide power for both VM-44 link caps.   Even smaller foot print. 

didn't want to start a new topic, appears my question is covered here but wanted to be sure.

i have the Milab VM-44 links and run them with the big bodies and interconnects into a PMD661. I've been doing this since 2012 and i always stealth these, and its becoming a nightmare with metal detectors, etc. the footprint is too big now. 

i would first like to get away from the PMD661 and it appears the IPA will let me do this (power the mics). i think this will be a better rig for stealthing, replacing the bodies with IPAs and running that into a M10 which i currently own which has little or no use on it.  this would shrink my footprint substantially, the interconnects I have are also cumbersome.

can i do this?

milab mic caps>original cables>ipa (2 of them?)> m10.

this would have me ditching the milab bodies, the interconnects and the PMD661 size....

i've also seen here that i guess i could have the cables modded to mini xlr and that would be a sturdier plug, ya, that milab 5pin plug on the mic cable seems really flimsy but i've no issues yet....should i leave the connections alone? how much to switch? i know i'll never need to go back to the bodies but if someone else did (i sold the mics, etc), then what?

thanks for any help, i was gonna email Jon but thought I'd check with the pros here first.
thanks again.

ninjadave.
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: dactylus on October 20, 2018, 11:11:37 AM

John did you ever run a pair of VM-44 Links using a single IPA?  I've been doing the same thing in stealth situations that ninjadave mentioned for many years too (Milab VM-44 links and run them with the big bodies and interconnects into an Oade modded PMD661).  I've made some extremely nice recordings using this setup but it is becoming increasingly nerve wracking walking this rig into the door.  A single IPA and an M-10 would be a breeze compared to my current VM-44 Link 007 rig.

You should be able to run one IPA!!  It will provide power for both VM-44 link caps.   Even smaller foot print. 

didn't want to start a new topic, appears my question is covered here but wanted to be sure.

i have the Milab VM-44 links and run them with the big bodies and interconnects into a PMD661. I've been doing this since 2012 and i always stealth these, and its becoming a nightmare with metal detectors, etc. the footprint is too big now. 

i would first like to get away from the PMD661 and it appears the IPA will let me do this (power the mics). i think this will be a better rig for stealthing, replacing the bodies with IPAs and running that into a M10 which i currently own which has little or no use on it.  this would shrink my footprint substantially, the interconnects I have are also cumbersome.

can i do this?

milab mic caps>original cables>ipa (2 of them?)> m10.

this would have me ditching the milab bodies, the interconnects and the PMD661 size....

i've also seen here that i guess i could have the cables modded to mini xlr and that would be a sturdier plug, ya, that milab 5pin plug on the mic cable seems really flimsy but i've no issues yet....should i leave the connections alone? how much to switch? i know i'll never need to go back to the bodies but if someone else did (i sold the mics, etc), then what?

thanks for any help, i was gonna email Jon but thought I'd check with the pros here first.
thanks again.

ninjadave.
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: jbell on October 20, 2018, 12:01:03 PM
I haven't, but I think Brian runs that setup!


John did you ever run a pair of VM-44 Links using a single IPA?  I've been doing the same thing in stealth situations that ninjadave mentioned for many years too (Milab VM-44 links and run them with the big bodies and interconnects into an Oade modded PMD661).  I've made some extremely nice recordings using this setup but it is becoming increasingly nerve wracking walking this rig into the door.  A single IPA and an M-10 would be a breeze compared to my current VM-44 Link 007 rig.

You should be able to run one IPA!!  It will provide power for both VM-44 link caps.   Even smaller foot print. 

didn't want to start a new topic, appears my question is covered here but wanted to be sure.

i have the Milab VM-44 links and run them with the big bodies and interconnects into a PMD661. I've been doing this since 2012 and i always stealth these, and its becoming a nightmare with metal detectors, etc. the footprint is too big now. 

i would first like to get away from the PMD661 and it appears the IPA will let me do this (power the mics). i think this will be a better rig for stealthing, replacing the bodies with IPAs and running that into a M10 which i currently own which has little or no use on it.  this would shrink my footprint substantially, the interconnects I have are also cumbersome.

can i do this?

milab mic caps>original cables>ipa (2 of them?)> m10.

this would have me ditching the milab bodies, the interconnects and the PMD661 size....

i've also seen here that i guess i could have the cables modded to mini xlr and that would be a sturdier plug, ya, that milab 5pin plug on the mic cable seems really flimsy but i've no issues yet....should i leave the connections alone? how much to switch? i know i'll never need to go back to the bodies but if someone else did (i sold the mics, etc), then what?

thanks for any help, i was gonna email Jon but thought I'd check with the pros here first.
thanks again.

ninjadave.
Title: Re: Milab VM-44 Link > Naiant IPA(s)?
Post by: dactylus on October 20, 2018, 12:08:34 PM
^
Thanks