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Title: metal detectors at the door
Post by: Todd on November 18, 2016, 02:14:18 PM
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Curious how other tapers are handling metal detectors at the door to a club when it comes to getting a recording deck thru.   the club I go to often for 4-5 shows didn't even ask when put my cell and recorder in the bowl and slid down the end but the last show, they made me coat check my deck.   

any suggestions to getting the deck thru metal detectors?  my mics don't trip the detector nor my power supply for the mics either  so just the deck.

thanks

Todd
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: daspyknows on November 18, 2016, 05:13:00 PM
This should be discussed privately.
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: DATBRAD on November 19, 2016, 02:15:35 PM
Slightly off topic, but has anyone had any gear issues later from walk through detectors when open taping?

Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: fandelive on November 20, 2016, 03:36:26 AM
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Thanks !
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: earmonger on November 28, 2016, 12:43:27 AM
If it's one of those doorway-like metal detectors there's no place to hide.

I have the Sony PCM-M10 and it looks like a camera/phone/whatever. At places like Madison Square Garden I just dump it in the bowl along with small mics, IEM earbuds, keys, phone, wallet, a bunch of metallic junk and wires all jumbled together, and they just don't care.

If it's wands, well, there's the crotch method....but in the YouTube era I really don't think things are that rigorous.

Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: icebox on December 06, 2016, 03:11:46 AM
earmonger's got the right idea.  You have to make them not want to deal with it.  Overload them with crap that they're not looking for.  I've not had to deal with airport style yet, but I've dealt with wands and the like successfully.
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: lpmaskman on December 06, 2016, 11:13:26 AM
Are modern camcorders and audio equipment have enough metal in them to trigger metal detectors?
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: jagraham on December 06, 2016, 12:33:26 PM
Are modern camcorders and audio equipment have enough metal in them to trigger metal detectors?

Depends on the specific gear and the sensitivity of the detector... For example a DR-2d has quite a bit of metal as the casing, whereas a M-10 does not. But that doesn't mean that the DR-2d will always set it off, or that the M-10 never will.
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: edtyre on December 06, 2016, 12:51:54 PM
M-10 and R05 sets off any metal detector i have to go thru.

Just get creative :-)
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: beatkilla on December 06, 2016, 01:05:02 PM
M10 and UBB sets off all walk thru I've been to.
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: firemt66 on December 07, 2016, 10:10:25 AM
i walk thru metal detectors alot with my m-10 never has an issue..not too say it didnt give a beep but there must be different types of beeps and lights that goes off between dense heavy metal objects and something that has very little lite metal like the m-10
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: danlynch on December 07, 2016, 12:13:13 PM

Yes, great idea to keep discussing in public the idea of just throwing it into the bowl.   :shrug:
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: daspyknows on December 07, 2016, 12:25:48 PM

Yes, great idea to keep discussing in public the idea of just throwing it into the bowl.   :shrug:

 :banging head:   As I said before this should be discussed privately.  Doesn't benefit anyone publicly disclosing our methods. 
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: guitard on December 08, 2016, 07:44:31 PM
Are modern camcorders and audio equipment have enough metal in them to trigger metal detectors?

Point-and-shoot cams are generally allowed at shows these days - and they can now shoot beautiful 4K video.  So no need for a camcorder anymore.
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: cjc1103 on January 09, 2017, 10:05:21 AM
I was wanded at a Gillian Welch concert last month, a first for me. I haven't seen any airport style metal detectors at concerts, not to say they don't use them, but it would have to be a pretty big event to justify the cost. Presumably they know what a recorder looks like so if it sets off the detector you'll have to take your gear back to your car. My cell phone didn't set off the wand, so the sensitivity is probably fairly low. OTOH if they are just looking for knives and guns maybe they don't care about small electronics. I don't stealth, so I'm not trying to get around the detectors, YMMV.
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: daspyknows on January 09, 2017, 10:52:35 AM
I was wanded at a Gillian Welch concert last month, a first for me. I haven't seen any airport style metal detectors at concerts, not to say they don't use them, but it would have to be a pretty big event to justify the cost. Presumably they know what a recorder looks like so if it sets off the detector you'll have to take your gear back to your car. My cell phone didn't set off the wand, so the sensitivity is probably fairly low. OTOH if they are just looking for knives and guns maybe they don't care about small electronics. I don't stealth, so I'm not trying to get around the detectors, YMMV.

They have them at the Warfield in SF.  Less than 3,000 seat theater.  Not a big event, used for all shows.
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: gormenghast on January 09, 2017, 03:10:15 PM
They generally won't mess with females.  My friend wears a big belt buckle.  All I'll say about that.

This summer I just held the gear in my hands as they wanded me thru--must have been a Jedi mind thing.

Last show I went to this summer they didn't even wand.  They did send some folks away because their chair was too high  :facepalm:
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: lsd2525 on January 09, 2017, 03:32:53 PM
They generally won't mess with females.  My friend wears a big belt buckle.  All I'll say about that.

This summer I just held the gear in my hands as they wanded me thru--must have been a Jedi mind thing.

Last show I went to this summer they didn't even wand.  They did send some folks away because their chair was too high  :facepalm:

Last summer I was first in line at a shed show with my gear in a photography backpack (open taping show). I laid it on the table, opened it up, the girl went through it with a fine tooth comb, all good. Couple of minutes later, the gates swung open. Picked up my pack and started walking in and all of a sudden she yells "no backpacks"!!!  I just shot her a look and kept on walking. Half the time these people don't know what they are doing
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: noahbickart on January 10, 2017, 04:24:49 PM
MSG has walk-through metal detectors.
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: daspyknows on January 10, 2017, 06:53:06 PM
MSG has walk-through metal detectors.

and wands but they can still be beaten.  It's all about knowing the soft spot in their security.  Obviously that is not posted publicly.
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: mountaintaper on January 10, 2017, 07:31:57 PM
I've walked right through airport style metal detectors with my Schoeps rig and don't beep (my cell phone and keys always go into a tray) on the way out once I walked back through with keys/phone and it went off)  They ain't looking for us with these things, they're looking for a certain mass of certain metals which would imply weapon...most gear these days (except maybe an SD unit) should go in no problem. key is know your rig and know what might set it off, and change out that piece of gear.
Title: Re: metal detectors at the door
Post by: zeus163 on January 16, 2017, 12:22:06 AM
My Schoeps rig has set off the walk through airport metal detector both times I've gone through. I've changed my rig slightly since the last time I was at this venue though, so maybe when I'm back I'll find out if that made any changes.

I was completely shocked the first time I walked up and noticed the "new toy" the venue was using. I definitely had to improvise.