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Title: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: MakersMarc on April 27, 2018, 11:50:34 AM
So I amazingly got my "new to me" Lenovo T440 all set up and all my post software downloaded for free. Nice computer thanks for all the suggestions.

One question: I have all my recordings and a lot of ripped GD live releases on a three year old Passport Ultra. Noticed the warranty is three years. Should I be upgrading or what? Not a Cloud guy but want to minimize chance of loss.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: heathen on April 27, 2018, 11:57:29 AM
Remember there are two types of hard drives: those that have failed and those that will fail.  It's only a matter of time.  Get everything backed up ASAP.  How you go about backing up your data is up to you...there are a lot of options.  The easiest is probably to just get another external and copy everything onto it.
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: adrianf74 on April 27, 2018, 12:09:43 PM
So I amazingly got my "new to me" Lenovo T440 all set up and all my post software downloaded for free. Nice computer thanks for all the suggestions.

One question: I have all my recordings and a lot of ripped GD live releases on a three year old Passport Ultra. Noticed the warranty is three years. Should I be upgrading or what? Not a Cloud guy but want to minimize chance of loss.

Thanks!

Look at investing Hard Disk Sentinel Pro.  It runs with very little load but constantly monitors the S.M.A.R.T. status of your hard drives or SSD.  It's a life-saver in that if a drive is getting ready to fail, you'll know well enough in advance and have time to replace the bad drive. HD Sentinel Pro will also read the status of USB drives as well but only while connected.

As Heathen said, there are only two types of drives; that's VERY true.  I've got some drives that are six or seven years and doing well and had a few others that didn't even make their first birthday.  And as far as brands, everybody's had their experiences.  I've had EVERY brand of drive fail on me over the years so a drive is a drive in that aspect.

Hope some of this helped.
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: MakersMarc on April 27, 2018, 12:35:51 PM
Hugely helpful thanks!
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: twatts (that "Pants" thing is so lame...) on April 27, 2018, 02:15:50 PM
I've got all my junk of several HHDs...

But after I lost my Trey Archive, I signed up for BackBlaze.  Now I have all my stuff backed-up on line... 

Not perfect, but its better than losing my Trey Collection again...

Terry
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: nulldogmas on April 27, 2018, 06:10:39 PM
I back everything up to both a second (really fourth) external drive and to the cloud via BackBlaze. I've come close enough to losing everything not to want to chance it.

And while obviously you don't want to buy a total piece of crap, any backup drive at all is more important than what kind you get. After all, the odds on your backup drive failing at the exact same time as your primary drive are pretty remote.
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: heathen on April 27, 2018, 06:17:37 PM
And while obviously you don't want to buy a total piece of crap, any backup drive at all is more important than what kind you get. After all, the odds on your backup drive failing at the exact same time as your primary drive are pretty remote.

Unless they're both installed in the same computer, which would (at least marginally) increase the chance of both failing at the same time (for example, from some sort of virus or other malicious software).
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: robeti on April 27, 2018, 07:37:28 PM
And while obviously you don't want to buy a total piece of crap, any backup drive at all is more important than what kind you get. After all, the odds on your backup drive failing at the exact same time as your primary drive are pretty remote.

Unless they're both installed in the same computer, which would (at least marginally) increase the chance of both failing at the same time (for example, from some sort of virus or other malicious software).

Exactly. Or a huge power failure. Happened to me and fried both the hard discs in my pc. Luckily I had 2 extra back ups on external hard discs.
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: nulldogmas on April 27, 2018, 10:44:11 PM

Exactly. Or a huge power failure. Happened to me and fried both the hard discs in my pc. Luckily I had 2 extra back ups on external hard discs.

That's why you want a cloud backup as well. Even an external hard drive backup won't help if your house burns down.
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: robeti on April 28, 2018, 11:03:06 AM

Exactly. Or a huge power failure. Happened to me and fried both the hard discs in my pc. Luckily I had 2 extra back ups on external hard discs.

That's why you want a cloud backup as well. Even an external hard drive backup won't help if your house burns down.

correct. Or store at different locations.

As a 3rd backup I burn my edited masters on m-disc blurays and leave them at another location.
Not ideal but not that bad either.
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: robeti on April 28, 2018, 11:06:59 AM
I do audio and multi-angle video. As much as I like storing it all in the cloud it's not an option with this amount of data (50+ GB per show)
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: MakersMarc on April 29, 2018, 12:05:14 PM
Thanks all! The Backblaze suggestion is great and for my needs not expensive. 
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: morst on April 30, 2018, 12:19:17 PM
Backblaze itself recommends the 3-2-1 strategy.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/the-3-2-1-backup-strategy/

"A 3-2-1 strategy means having at least 3 total copies of your data, 2 of which are local but on different mediums (read: devices), and at least 1 copy offsite."
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: robeti on May 01, 2018, 05:59:49 AM
Backblaze itself recommends the 3-2-1 strategy.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/the-3-2-1-backup-strategy/

"A 3-2-1 strategy means having at least 3 total copies of your data, 2 of which are local but on different mediums (read: devices), and at least 1 copy offsite."

That's what I try to do as well. 2 local and 1 offsite (on mdisc)
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: gormenghast on May 07, 2018, 08:21:06 PM
What would you guys recommend for cloud storage for say at least 2tb?  This is mainly photographs I really don't want to loose and so far--knock on wood--I've only lost one hard drive and this was way back in the early years of my digital photography.  The music I taped is spread out all over but mainly with friends and friends of friends.  I wasn't much for post work and found it tedious to track shows and upload so much of what I have is either on DATs or on the 2tb drive.  Anyway, this thread reminded me I need to buy another hard drive and back up my 2tb drive that is about maxed out.   
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: OldNeumanntapr on May 07, 2018, 08:53:30 PM
I have two 4TB Lacie Quadra external hard drives. One is a back up for the other. Every three or four years I buy a new one and regulate the older one for the back up. So far it’s been working.
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: morst on May 12, 2018, 05:30:54 PM
What would you guys recommend for cloud storage for say at least 2tb?  This is mainly photographs I really don't want to loose

I don't recommend cloud storage for such a large library unless you host it yourself.

Get a couple extra 4 TB drives and keep them with trusted friends and family, or in a safe deposit box. Much cheaper than a cloud subscription I bet, and won't take days and days to load terabytes over your data connection.
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: Chrisedge on May 19, 2018, 02:56:55 PM
I do audio and multi-angle video. As much as I like storing it all in the cloud it's not an option with this amount of data (50+ GB per show)

I have almost 8TB on Backblaze. It took 7 months to upload, but I, like you have lots of video and audio content.
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: robeti on May 19, 2018, 03:42:09 PM
I do audio and multi-angle video. As much as I like storing it all in the cloud it's not an option with this amount of data (50+ GB per show)

I have almost 8TB on Backblaze. It took 7 months to upload, but I, like you have lots of video and audio content.

That's $5 a month?
Interesting...!

Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: Chrisedge on May 21, 2018, 06:03:33 PM
I do audio and multi-angle video. As much as I like storing it all in the cloud it's not an option with this amount of data (50+ GB per show)

I have almost 8TB on Backblaze. It took 7 months to upload, but I, like you have lots of video and audio content.

That's $5 a month?
Interesting...!

I did the $50 a year deal. You get a free month (so do I) if you use my referral link. https://secure.backblaze.com/r/01scop If this is not allowed, please delete or PM me, and I will remove.
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: tim in jersey on May 21, 2018, 06:52:22 PM
RAID array and also 2 external HDD that I keep off-site.
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: kindms on May 24, 2018, 07:30:22 AM
I run a Synology Disk station. They make many but nice devices and easy to use. I have 4 WD red 2TB drives in it now and then a nightly backup to an external connected to the NAS. so nothing offsite but its fast and more than enough i think for most people. I also have most of my older library on DVD-A and DVD-R but I haven't burned physical data in a long time

offsite is nice if you can swing it. You could have your local NAS sync to like google storage or something similar.
Title: Re: Do I need a storage upgrade? Looking for most reliable outboard storage
Post by: rumbleseat on May 25, 2018, 05:15:13 PM
I also have a Synology DiskStation with 4 drives, which gives you 3 drives of space after accounting for redundancy. I back it up weekly to a WD MyBook 8 TB USB drive.
This is an expensive option, but it has a lot of features, most of which I don't use.
The one that I make the most use of is the Audio Station, which allows my entire audio collection to be streamed to my phone (or sent to a Google Chromecast Audio dongle attached to my stereo).  (Their Photo Station and Video Station will do the same for photos and videos...)
The other function that I use all the time is the Download Station, which is essentially a torrent client that runs in the background.  Perfect for getting your DIME ratios up!
This is an expensive option and powerful enough to handle the accounts of a small business.  Not terribly difficult to set up and run, but it would have been nice to have an expert walk me through it the first time!

If you just need raw storage, a couple of WD MyBook drives would do the trick.