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Title: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: kylieshotpants on June 16, 2018, 10:47:34 AM
Hi

I think my normal stealthing tactics are getting found out, as I get searched more often and full pat down.

My main problem with extreme hiding (if you get the idea) is that you have to go to the toilet and unpack & set up

Can anyone give tips for using a fanny pack (us) /bum bag (uk) please - or any other stealth tips to get rolling quicker?
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: MakersMarc on June 16, 2018, 12:31:28 PM
Paging the Hoff in 3....2....1
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on June 16, 2018, 05:18:48 PM
Hi

I think my normal stealthing tactics are getting found out, as I get searched more often and full pat down.

My main problem with extreme hiding (if you get the idea) is that you have to go to the toilet and unpack & set up

Can anyone give tips for using a fanny pack (us) /bum bag (uk) please - or any other stealth tips to get rolling quicker?

Some people don't like public discussions on this topic here because they think security reads this stuff (hence the Hoff). Personally I don't care, but I'll keep it basic out of respect to those people.

Put the gear in a place where they don't pat. Use your imagination on how to do that.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: Moke on June 17, 2018, 10:39:59 AM
We will begin the stealth lesson, beginning at my cheesy man nipples.
(https://www.visitfunner.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/HoffBlogPostImage-604x270.jpg)
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: goodcooker on June 17, 2018, 12:46:34 PM

I know it doesn't bother some people but there has been a shitload of "How do I a sneaky thing" questions around here lately and I don't like it at all.


Figure it out on your own. It's not that complicated.

Putting the details out there for everyone to see is counter intuitive to doing something clandestine in the first place....
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: edtyre on June 17, 2018, 10:39:44 PM
I hate repeating myself.........here goes.

Don't send me a pm asking how i beat metal detection, before you ever tryed it once.

Find a mentor, someone you can travel to shows with and learn from. Pay for their tickets, or beer or food or gas.
You will learn more about how things are done, than you can reading all these pages. While there is a boatload of FREE
info on here by many experienced users, some things are best handed down like my grandmom's  paella recipe.

Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: TheMetalist on June 18, 2018, 03:29:21 AM
Don't send me a pm asking how i beat metal detection, before you ever tryed it once.

I feel this is on me. My appologies, Ed. I didn't have any intension to upset you. Btw, I have responded to your pm.

Find a mentor, someone you can travel to shows with and learn from. Pay for their tickets, or beer or food or gas.
You will learn more about how things are done, than you can reading all these pages.

It's unfortunately not that easy. It's easier to find an elephant climbing a tree than serious tapers here in Sweden. We are only a few and most of us live very far from each other. I understand things are a bit different in the US where taping seems to be quite a popular hobby. I wish things were the same here but unfortunately it's not.

Most people at taperssection.com are really helpful and I somewhat think that the idea with this forum is to share our experience with fellow tapers. For me, living in the twilight zone, you guys here are more important than you think.

Anyway, this thread is not about me. Just felt the need to repond to your post. Thanks.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: daspyknows on June 18, 2018, 09:24:37 AM
Don't send me a pm asking how i beat metal detection, before you ever tryed it once.

I feel this is on me. My appologies, Ed. I didn't have any intension to upset you. Btw, I have responded to your pm.

Find a mentor, someone you can travel to shows with and learn from. Pay for their tickets, or beer or food or gas.
You will learn more about how things are done, than you can reading all these pages.

It's unfortunately not that easy. It's easier to find an elephant climbing a tree than serious tapers here in Sweden. We are only a few and most of us live very far from each other. I understand things are a bit different in the US where taping seems to be quite a popular hobby. I wish things were the same here but unfortunately it's not.

Most people at taperssection.com are really helpful and I somewhat think that the idea with this forum is to share our experience with fellow tapers. For me, living in the twilight zone, you guys here are more important than you think.

Anyway, this thread is not about me. Just felt the need to repond to your post. Thanks.

In your case your comments and interaction over time made it clear to   >:D tapers you are for real.  That was the point being made.  The point is you did your homework first.   :cheers:
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: edtyre on June 18, 2018, 10:26:52 AM
Don't send me a pm asking how i beat metal detection, before you ever tryed it once.

I feel this is on me. My appologies, Ed. I didn't have any intension to upset you. Btw, I have responded to your pm.

Find a mentor, someone you can travel to shows with and learn from. Pay for their tickets, or beer or food or gas.
You will learn more about how things are done, than you can reading all these pages.

It's unfortunately not that easy. It's easier to find an elephant climbing a tree than serious tapers here in Sweden. We are only a few and most of us live very far from each other. I understand things are a bit different in the US where taping seems to be quite a popular hobby. I wish things were the same here but unfortunately it's not.

Most people at taperssection.com are really helpful and I somewhat think that the idea with this forum is to share our experience with fellow tapers. For me, living in the twilight zone, you guys here are more important than you think.

Anyway, this thread is not about me. Just felt the need to repond to your post. Thanks.

I wasn't talking about you, i DID answer your PM with a very honest and correct answer. I usually don't do that. Just get out there and try is all i am saying. Maybe in Sweden it will be hard
to find a proper mentor, i was thinking about the states here where tapers are easier to find.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: TheMetalist on June 18, 2018, 12:38:51 PM
In your case your comments and interaction over time made it clear to   >:D tapers you are for real.  That was the point being made.  The point is you did your homework first.   :cheers:

Thank you, daspy!  Also thank you for your help. :cheers:


I wasn't talking about you, i DID answer your PM with a very honest and correct answer. I usually don't do that. Just get out there and try is all i am saying. Maybe in Sweden it will be hard
to find a proper mentor, i was thinking about the states here where tapers are easier to find.

That's great to hear, ed. I actually thought I did upset you. I'm happy that's not the case. Once again, thank you for your tips and tricks.  8) :cheers:
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: daspyknows on June 18, 2018, 10:00:17 PM
In your case your comments and interaction over time made it clear to   >:D tapers you are for real.  That was the point being made.  The point is you did your homework first.   :cheers:

Thank you, daspy!  Also thank you for your help. :cheers:


I wasn't talking about you, i DID answer your PM with a very honest and correct answer. I usually don't do that. Just get out there and try is all i am saying. Maybe in Sweden it will be hard
to find a proper mentor, i was thinking about the states here where tapers are easier to find.

That's great to hear, ed. I actually thought I did upset you. I'm happy that's not the case. Once again, thank you for your tips and tricks.  8) :cheers:

Glad to help.  As I said, it is all about credibility and how one asks for help.  The most extreme tactics are best communicated privately among only those who actually need to use such tactics.  This isn't a game anymore despite what some seem to think it is.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: opsopcopolis on June 19, 2018, 12:35:35 AM
I dunno, I still think the attitude is a bit extreme. Who cares if somebody from security reads my tactics? Chances are if they really thought about it for about 90 seconds they could come up with all the things I've ever tried.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: noahbickart on June 19, 2018, 08:58:59 AM
I dunno, I still think the attitude is a bit extreme. Who cares if somebody from security reads my tactics? Chances are if they really thought about it for about 90 seconds they could come up with all the things I've ever tried.

Within the last 6 months we've had a security person here, posing as a taper, asking for  >:D advice.

If anyone wants advice from me, I'd be happy to answer via pm.

Things posted on the internet are forever.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: gormenghast on June 19, 2018, 11:06:14 AM
I dunno, I still think the attitude is a bit extreme. Who cares if somebody from security reads my tactics? Chances are if they really thought about it for about 90 seconds they could come up with all the things I've ever tried.

Yeah, what are they gonna do, remove me from my wheelchair and tear it apart looking for microphones?

Oops...
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: opsopcopolis on June 20, 2018, 07:40:34 AM
 :yack:
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: DATBoy on June 20, 2018, 10:31:26 AM
In my opinion, no fanny pack is going to help you when they stop you at the door and decided to carefully dig through it a FEW times just to see you have nothing they would typically allow inside. If they are careful enough, they will find your device and not let you through. Believe me, I know!

Also, some venues get really edgy when you walk in with just batteries. That's right - two double AAs in the bin before walking through the metal detector can make people very nervous.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: opsopcopolis on June 20, 2018, 10:37:34 AM
Yeah, my batteries are what I go to the most trouble to keep out of sight. A 9V doesn't make people happy
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: audBall on June 20, 2018, 11:30:43 AM
Personally, I'd like to hear more about "Kylie's Hot Pants". 
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: gewwang on June 20, 2018, 11:32:29 AM
The fanny pack should go thru security out of sight along with other taping gear. My current stealth rig, the only thing that goes thru in plain sight is my hat.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: firemt66 on June 20, 2018, 12:16:02 PM
I've been going through security with a Fanny pack in the usual spot for  20 years never a problem..for me..dont have to hide it
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: DCiora on June 20, 2018, 12:32:04 PM
I am grateful that you all are willing to share your tactics. Would someone be so helpful to post a pic of what the whole mics on the hat, wires embedded in the collar, and recording machine in the fanny pack looks like when you are fully disguised? Like a before/after pic. I can’t tell you how helpful reading this forum is to learn how this happens and what I can look for to identify secret recording.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: ycoop on June 20, 2018, 12:51:01 PM
I am grateful that you all are willing to share your tactics. Would someone be so helpful to post a pic of what the whole mics on the hat, wires embedded in the collar, and recording machine in the fanny pack looks like when you are fully disguised? Like a before/after pic. I can’t tell you how helpful reading this forum is to learn how this happens and what I can look for to identify secret recording.

(https://i.imgur.com/78Lh7mC.jpg)

Here’s a before and after picture.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: heathen on June 20, 2018, 01:31:14 PM
For anyone unaware, this guy is connected to a mediocre venue and thinks he's exceedingly clever with this sort of post.

I am grateful that you all are willing to share your tactics. Would someone be so helpful to post a pic of what the whole mics on the hat, wires embedded in the collar, and recording machine in the fanny pack looks like when you are fully disguised? Like a before/after pic. I can’t tell you how helpful reading this forum is to learn how this happens and what I can look for to identify secret recording.

Good to see you again, don't ever leave us!
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: gewwang on June 20, 2018, 01:35:12 PM
I am grateful that you all are willing to share your tactics. Would someone be so helpful to post a pic of what the whole mics on the hat, wires embedded in the collar, and recording machine in the fanny pack looks like when you are fully disguised? Like a before/after pic. I can’t tell you how helpful reading this forum is to learn how this happens and what I can look for to identify secret recording.


here ya go... go luck with your nailings...

(https://consequenceofsound.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/screen-shot-2014-08-14-at-10-42-02-am.png?w=807)
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: MBHOTAPER on June 20, 2018, 01:42:16 PM
For anyone unaware, this guy is connected to a mediocre venue and thinks he's exceedingly clever with this sort of post.

I am grateful that you all are willing to share your tactics. Would someone be so helpful to post a pic of what the whole mics on the hat, wires embedded in the collar, and recording machine in the fanny pack looks like when you are fully disguised? Like a before/after pic. I can’t tell you how helpful reading this forum is to learn how this happens and what I can look for to identify secret recording.

Good to see you again, don't ever leave us!
Please no trolls, tools or ass kissers trying to impress a boss. :iamwithstupid:
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: opsopcopolis on June 20, 2018, 01:42:53 PM
I am grateful that you all are willing to share your tactics. Would someone be so helpful to post a pic of what the whole mics on the hat, wires embedded in the collar, and recording machine in the fanny pack looks like when you are fully disguised? Like a before/after pic. I can’t tell you how helpful reading this forum is to learn how this happens and what I can look for to identify secret recording.

(https://i.imgur.com/78Lh7mC.jpg)

Here’s a before and after picture.

About right
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: perks on June 20, 2018, 02:24:58 PM

here ya go... go luck with your nailings...

(https://consequenceofsound.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/screen-shot-2014-08-14-at-10-42-02-am.png?w=807)

I think I get the point but there are still plenty of places where musicians perform where taking your cell phone out during the performance will result in an usher telling you to put it away or leave immediately and therefore the audience just does not do it . In those environments tapers may not be able to easily blend into the crowd.

Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: gewwang on June 20, 2018, 02:32:48 PM

here ya go... go luck with your nailings...

(https://consequenceofsound.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/screen-shot-2014-08-14-at-10-42-02-am.png?w=807)

I think I get the point but there are still plenty of places where musicians perform where taking your cell phone out during the performance will result in an usher telling you to put it away or leave immediately and therefore the audience just does not do it . In those environments tapers may not be able to easily blend into the crowd.

which is fine with me. in those cases, security is so distracted/focused on shutting down cell phone filmers that the audio taper wearing the funky hat isn't even on his radar...

in these cases, i usually take video with my phone early in the show just so security will come over and shut me down and i can immediately comply and win his trust that i'm not doing anything bad...
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: fanofjam on June 20, 2018, 02:33:23 PM

I'm working on the design of a butt-hole recorder.  All you do it squeeze your butt cheeks to start and stop recording.  I'm getting Ween as a sponsor.  Any guesses about the color?

Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: DCiora on June 20, 2018, 02:54:47 PM
From information Ive read on this forum I’ve been able to figure out the people that are making secret recordings. Male, wearing a knit beret, and a kangaroo pouch are the people to focus attention on.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: ycoop on June 20, 2018, 02:58:15 PM
From information Ive read on this forum I’ve been able to figure out the people that are making secret recordings. Male, wearing a knit beret, and a kangaroo pouch are the people to focus attention on.

Well I guess it will now take a change in fashion choices.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: gewwang on June 20, 2018, 03:10:42 PM
Male, wearing a knit beret, and a kangaroo pouch are the people to focus attention on.

You win...I have to retire now.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: goodcooker on June 20, 2018, 04:34:54 PM
I am grateful that you all are willing to share your tactics. Would someone be so helpful to post a pic of what the whole mics on the hat, wires embedded in the collar, and recording machine in the fanny pack looks like when you are fully disguised? Like a before/after pic. I can’t tell you how helpful reading this forum is to learn how this happens and what I can look for to identify secret recording.

This right here should be enough to make people stop posting publicly about this crap.

He is right here posting in the thread and you are STILL talking about it.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: MakersMarc on June 20, 2018, 06:02:45 PM
I personally dont mind PMs helped me quite a bit on this subject. If you do not look legit then I don’t answer.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: opsopcopolis on June 20, 2018, 07:09:28 PM
I am grateful that you all are willing to share your tactics. Would someone be so helpful to post a pic of what the whole mics on the hat, wires embedded in the collar, and recording machine in the fanny pack looks like when you are fully disguised? Like a before/after pic. I can’t tell you how helpful reading this forum is to learn how this happens and what I can look for to identify secret recording.

This right here should be enough to make people stop posting publicly about this crap.

He is right here posting in the thread and you are STILL talking about it.

meh
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: gormenghast on June 20, 2018, 07:43:21 PM
I am grateful that you all are willing to share your tactics. Would someone be so helpful to post a pic of what the whole mics on the hat, wires embedded in the collar, and recording machine in the fanny pack looks like when you are fully disguised? Like a before/after pic. I can’t tell you how helpful reading this forum is to learn how this happens and what I can look for to identify secret recording.

This right here should be enough to make people stop posting publicly about this crap.

He is right here posting in the thread and you are STILL talking about it.

meh

One of my daughter's favorite word in MS  :D
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: DATBoy on June 20, 2018, 07:49:57 PM
I don't bother trying to sneak stuff in that much anymore. Too much of a hassle. I try to stick with bands that I know that actually love me taping them. In fact, I'm seeing one play next week at the Catalina Jazz Club. Venues I don't go to or haven't been at in a while tend to make me nervous since protocol is different everywhere around this city (taping allowed/not allowed), so to avoid that hassle, the band actually said they are going to help me bring all the recording gear in with their stuff to avoid any possible problems walking in with it. Awesome folks!
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: live2cd on June 20, 2018, 08:14:33 PM
From information Ive read on this forum I’ve been able to figure out the people that are making secret recordings. Male, wearing a knit beret, and a kangaroo pouch are the people to focus attention on.
whew. im safe.  ::)
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: daspyknows on June 20, 2018, 11:13:11 PM

here ya go... go luck with your nailings...



I think I get the point but there are still plenty of places where musicians perform where taking your cell phone out during the performance will result in an usher telling you to put it away or leave immediately and therefore the audience just does not do it . In those environments tapers may not be able to easily blend into the crowd.

Old school tapers can do it without lights.  Back in the day a red light spotted on the floor was a recipe for getting busted.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: daspyknows on June 20, 2018, 11:18:45 PM
From information Ive read on this forum I’ve been able to figure out the people that are making secret recordings. Male, wearing a knit beret, and a kangaroo pouch are the people to focus attention on.

Aside from being male I do not fit your "profile".  Luckily I have no interest in taping at your sorry ass venue because I am sure you couldn't stop me. 
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: opsopcopolis on June 20, 2018, 11:52:37 PM
I wanna know what venue now
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: relefunt on June 21, 2018, 01:51:47 AM
From information Ive read on this forum I’ve been able to figure out the people that are making secret recordings. Male, wearing a knit beret, and a kangaroo pouch are the people to focus attention on.

Don't forget to inform your club manager you are busy trying to find "tapers" and not trying to break up fights or keep people away from the soundboard. Because your manager really gives a huge shit about catching the tapers.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: relefunt on June 21, 2018, 01:54:40 AM
Male, wearing a knit beret, and a kangaroo pouch are the people to focus attention on.

You win...I have to retire now.

Now I have a second thought. Maybe this is an elaborate performance art thing from Dciora. Because i have trouble believing that a real security "dude" would be so openly and obviously discouraging people from sharing stealthing information. Such a despicable creature would most likely lurk very quietly and maybe ask a few polite questions.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: ycoop on June 21, 2018, 02:16:52 AM
Male, wearing a knit beret, and a kangaroo pouch are the people to focus attention on.

You win...I have to retire now.

Now I have a second thought. Maybe this is an elaborate performance art thing from Dciora. Because i have trouble believing that a real security "dude" would be so openly and obviously discouraging people from sharing stealthing information. Such a despicable creature would most likely lurk very quietly and maybe ask a few polite questions.

You know I had a somewhat similar thought today that he was a TS member’s alt account meant to convince us not to share stealth techniques.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: jerryfreak on June 21, 2018, 05:20:16 AM
i know who it is

hes more technologically advanced than you think

dude had a talking car 30 years ago
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: seethreepo on June 21, 2018, 10:02:55 AM
i know who it is

hes more technologically advanced than you think

dude had a talking car 30 years ago



Knight rider ?
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: aaronji on June 21, 2018, 10:35:45 AM
I wanna know what venue now

Catalina Jazz Club.  https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-ciora-74ba7816/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-ciora-74ba7816/) https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Dan-Ciora/1472335760 (https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Dan-Ciora/1472335760)

See this thread (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=183021.0) and this one (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=184883).  I think there are a couple of others, as well...
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: mrfender on June 21, 2018, 02:25:42 PM
i know who it is

hes more technologically advanced than you think

dude had a talking car 30 years ago

He was just the driver, it was Bonnie Barstow (played by Patricians McPherson) that was the mechanic.
Title: Re: stealthing with a fanny pack/bum bag
Post by: nak700s on June 21, 2018, 07:04:35 PM
I dunno, I still think the attitude is a bit extreme. Who cares if somebody from security reads my tactics? Chances are if they really thought about it for about 90 seconds they could come up with all the things I've ever tried.

Within the last 6 months we've had a security person here, posing as a taper, asking for  >:D advice.

If anyone wants advice from me, I'd be happy to answer via pm.

Things posted on the internet are forever.


^^^ WHAT HE SAID ^^^

We work hard to develop techniques and don't need to advertise them!  Private messenger is the way to go...or simply experiment yourself.  A mentor, as mentioned is always a good idea too.  Good luck, have fun, and stay stealthy my friends.