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Title: reducing drums in post?
Post by: jerryfreak on February 24, 2019, 11:05:03 PM
was too close to the stage for this one, drums are too loud particularly the snare. anyway to improve it? i tried notch filtering with EQ but it didnt really do much

https://soundcloud.com/user-760596491/churchyard

Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: Scooter123 on February 25, 2019, 01:58:31 AM
Isotope RX7
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: jerryfreak on February 25, 2019, 06:10:03 AM
Isotope RX7
that doesnt really tell me anything unfortuantely

i am aware of the isotope plugin, need direction on how to use it
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: opsopcopolis on February 25, 2019, 10:44:12 AM
Altering actual balance between instruments on a two channel recording is pretty tough. You can always try to pull down the fundamental, but for an instrument like snare, you're gonna have a very hard time getting it down far enough without effecting pretty much every other instrument on stage. If it's center stage you can try pulling down the center using a plugin like Waves Center.
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: beatkilla on February 25, 2019, 10:54:06 AM
Sounds good to me but i'm a drummer and like my drums way up front like that always. :cheers:
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: if_then_else on February 25, 2019, 11:53:06 AM
Multiband compressor applied to the snare drum, de-esser to the cymbals?
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on February 25, 2019, 12:36:57 PM
Sounds pretty good to me. Almost sounds like you might just be able to bring up the vocals.

As someone else said. RX7. Use the Music Rebalance portion.

https://www.izotope.com/en/products/repair-and-edit/rx/features-and-comparison/music-rebalance.html
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: lsd2525 on February 25, 2019, 12:40:05 PM
Does anyone know how to add more cowbell? ??? :guitarist:
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: EmRR on February 25, 2019, 05:52:55 PM
RX7 Music Rebalance is spooky how well it works. 
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: Ben Turnbull on February 25, 2019, 07:34:07 PM
Yeah...  but only RX7 advanced has that tool. But with it and $1200 it will fix a lot of stuff.   ;)
They'll have a sale in a few months and you can get it for half.
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: noahbickart on February 26, 2019, 04:51:16 AM
I'd use a compressor plugin, if you get the threshhold, attack and release right, you can bring down the level of those drum hits without affecting the rest of the sound.
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: nassau73 on February 26, 2019, 12:08:01 PM
Yeah...  but only RX7 advanced has that tool. But with it and $1200 it will fix a lot of stuff.   ;)
They'll have a sale in a few months and you can get it for half.

I bought RX 7 Standard when it was on sale and Music Rebalance is included.
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: Sloan Simpson on February 26, 2019, 06:57:44 PM
I'd use a compressor plugin, if you get the threshhold, attack and release right, you can bring down the level of those drum hits without affecting the rest of the sound.


Agreed, I'd use a compressor myself. If something is poking out like that I'll usually try to use the compressor in parallel so I'm bringing up the quieter stuff rather than squashing the peaks, but sometimes it works better to do it the other way.


I haven't tried Rx for this but you can get free compressors.
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: jerryfreak on February 27, 2019, 06:06:02 AM
wow izotope you crazy

that was ridiculously easy. just dropping percussion by 4 db and raising vox by 2db in music rebalance
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: EmRR on February 27, 2019, 06:53:44 AM
wow izotope you crazy

that was ridiculously easy. just dropping percussion by 4 db and raising vox by 2db in music rebalance

Yeah.  With the right source material, I've been able to make the band not have a bass player at all, without it influencing the kick drum.  Make the vocals twice as loud.  Etc. 
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: Ben Turnbull on February 27, 2019, 10:50:29 PM
Yeah...  but only RX7 advanced has that tool. But with it and $1200 it will fix a lot of stuff.   ;)
They'll have a sale in a few months and you can get it for half.

I bought RX 7 Standard when it was on sale and Music Rebalance is included.

OK, perhaps RX7 has it. My RX6 does not. I stand corrected.
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: u2_fly_2 on March 19, 2019, 07:32:27 AM
Only advice you already thought of...try to pull down the highs/mids with the Equalizer...should at least downcrease the snaredrume a bit...listening to the sample the snaredrums sounds quite "bassy and full-on"...Also in "Cool Edit Pro (Audobe) there was a function called "equalize more music"...which downcreases the drums a bit (It does a calculated equalizer)...yet I´m sure you will get the same results if you do the equalizing manually too.

If I get some more ideas I´ll bring them on.

Good luck!
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: EmRR on March 19, 2019, 11:40:44 AM
lacking Music Rebalance:

Mult a second copy of the source in parallel. 
Listening only to the copy, gate it so it sounds like drum hits only.
Reverse it's polarity.
Mix it with the original at whatever level reduces drums appropriately.   Tweak gate settings to see if any slight variation improves results.

If you ever need more drums, don't reverse polarity.
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: Gutbucket on March 19, 2019, 12:49:17 PM
^That's a cool trick.

Lacking that or Music Rebalance (looking forward to trying that out sometime!), if going the compressor route, try a plugin which is specifically targets transient shaping which should better target the drums.
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: EmRR on March 19, 2019, 01:09:44 PM
try a plugin which is specifically targets transient shaping which should better target the drums.

also a good idea to try
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: LiveWire on March 19, 2019, 06:08:00 PM
That is a very cool feature.
Does anyone know if there is anything similar in Adobe Audition?
Title: Re: reducing drums in post?
Post by: jerryfreak on March 19, 2019, 07:18:09 PM
can you guys rec some online tutorials for izotope (or compression settings in general)

this stuff is a little intimidating