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Title: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: uconnwes on July 01, 2019, 11:03:57 AM
Hi - does anyone have recommendations for a good lighting stand or lightweight tri-pod I can purchase.  This is my first rig, guess I need something in 12'-15' height range.  Will be attaching Rode Microphones Stero Bar to the tripod.  Hoping to grab something lightweight on Amazon.  TIA
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: heathen on July 01, 2019, 05:09:50 PM
What types of places will you be recording in?  Also do you have clamps?  I bet there are people on here who get more use out of their clamps than their stands.

Even though I have a quality stand that goes higher, I probably use this stand more: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/612771-REG/Manfrotto_5001B_5001B_Nano_Black_Light.html
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: DavidPuddy on July 01, 2019, 05:15:07 PM
I use my Manfrotto 099b extension pole and light stand base more than I do my stand, like Heathen said. With the base, the extension pole gets up to a bit over 7.5 ft. You can also use the base and pole separately. For example, attach a super clamp to the pole and you can clamp to the soundboard and get above the crowd and use the base as a low profile stand on stage.

Whichever way you go, there's no shortage of ways to spend money in this hobby.
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: aaronji on July 01, 2019, 06:38:19 PM
If ~12' is enough, try the Manfrotto 1004BAC (https://www.manfrotto.com.br/master-stand.html). Pretty solid and not too heavy. If weight isn't a concern, look at the K & M stands; they are rock solid but pretty weighty. If you are going to tape a lot of bands with talkative crowds, ask the DMB tapers. They often run as high as they can to avoid some of the "yo, brah" chatter...
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: jb63 on July 01, 2019, 06:48:00 PM
I swear by the Manfrotto 1004BAC, but sometimes (in tight spaces) the platform is too wide. Unfortunately, you usually don't find out until you get there.
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: love2tape on July 01, 2019, 10:04:08 PM
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this stand: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1074706-REG/photek_ls_8122_3_section_10_folding_light.html
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: goodcooker on July 01, 2019, 10:57:56 PM
10000% http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=185096.0

this stand: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1074706-REG/photek_ls_8122_3_section_10_folding_light.html

I agree 100% on this stand. I never really need to get higher than 10 feet and it is really versatile. If you really do need to go to 15 feet it obviously won't work for you.

The reverse folding legs are the best thing ever.
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: voltronic on July 02, 2019, 07:03:46 AM
I will add another enthusiastic recommendation on the Manfrotto 1004BAC.  I used a couple of the much cheaper stands before getting the Manfrotto, and while they worked, the 1004 is so much better in build quality and reliability.  That translates to confidence that your mics are going to be safe and secure up there for a concert.  Once I got this stand, I wished I had just bought this in the first place.

I also own the Manfrotto 099B which is great, but I only use that with a clamp for attaching to a railing, or as an extension for the 1004 when I need to go really high.

If you get the 1004BAC, I highly recommend picking up this bag to carry it in (recommended by another member here).  You will swear it was custom made for this stand and not for a lacrosse stick.
https://www.amazon.com/STX-Essential-Womens-Stick-Bag/dp/B002BDI0D8 (https://www.amazon.com/STX-Essential-Womens-Stick-Bag/dp/B002BDI0D8)

You also should get a weight for it to add stability, something around 8-10 lbs.  This is especially important when running the stand at full height.  The cheapest option for that is a sand bag:
https://www.amazon.com/Neewer-22x22cm-Photographic-Sandbag-Studio/dp/B00JHCX6US/ (https://www.amazon.com/Neewer-22x22cm-Photographic-Sandbag-Studio/dp/B00JHCX6US/)

I have since moved on to one of these weights, which gives you high mass in a small package:
https://www.amazon.com/Neewer-Light-Stand-Boom-Counterweight/dp/B07GX99R2D/ (https://www.amazon.com/Neewer-Light-Stand-Boom-Counterweight/dp/B07GX99R2D/)

^ That is essentially a knockoff of the Manfrotto 023 weight, which is quite expensive for what it is:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5352-REG/Manfrotto_023_023_Counter_Balance_Weight.html (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5352-REG/Manfrotto_023_023_Counter_Balance_Weight.html)

Impact makes one also:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/917863-REG/impact_lsa_cw10_counter_weight_10_lb_4_5.html (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/917863-REG/impact_lsa_cw10_counter_weight_10_lb_4_5.html)
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: uconnwes on July 03, 2019, 12:11:17 PM
Thanks so much folks.  Funny, I vectored in on 1004BAC on my own so good to know I made a solid choice.  Thanks for the tips on bags and weights too!
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: goodcooker on July 06, 2019, 10:06:44 AM

I have never carried a weight to a live performance recording. I try to cut down on the pounds I'm carrying not the other way around.

I use a stand with the appropriate spread of footprint to accomplish what I want to do - another reason I recommend the Photek stand. The footprint goes from very narrow to extremely wide providing all the stability you need.
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: heathen on July 06, 2019, 10:23:06 AM

I have never carried a weight to a live performance recording. I try to cut down on the pounds I'm carrying not the other way around.

Same.  Some tape can do a good enough job of keeping the stand anchored.
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: if_then_else on July 06, 2019, 02:48:41 PM

I have never carried a weight to a live performance recording. I try to cut down on the pounds I'm carrying not the other way around.

Same.  Some tape can do a good enough job of keeping the stand anchored.

+1

If you really have to weigh down your tripod, you can still re-purpose some plastic water bottles (which are likely to be available on-site) or bring some collapsible water bottles and fill them in the bathroom. Just make sure the bottles don't leak. Electricity and water don't mix well.
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: boltman on July 07, 2019, 12:30:45 AM
I bring an ankle weight, 10#.  Tent stakes are also helpful if yer in the dirt.
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: pohaku on July 07, 2019, 09:59:40 PM
Gaff tape cures a multitude of sins.
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: voltronic on July 08, 2019, 11:53:19 AM
Gaff tape cures a multitude of sins.

I gaff down my spindly carbon fiber stand for my DPAs, but when using the 1004BAC at full height, especially with the 099b as a boom arm, I feel like a weight is mandatory.  Some of the places I record have my stand sitting on a carpeted area, and gaff tape isn't good for holding down much more than cables there.
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: heathen on July 08, 2019, 12:26:38 PM
Gaff tape cures a multitude of sins.

I gaff down my spindly carbon fiber stand for my DPAs, but when using the 1004BAC at full height, especially with the 099b as a boom arm, I feel like a weight is mandatory.  Some of the places I record have my stand sitting on a carpeted area, and gaff tape isn't good for holding down much more than cables there.

I think context is important here.  I get the impression from your other posts that you're typically not recording in a rock concert type of setting with all the venue/security issues that often come with it.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

For the types of shows I go to where open taping is allowed (rock/jamband stuff), even getting a stand in can be a hassle.  Trying to explain to security why I'd need to bring in some big weight would only make things more difficult, IMO.  It looks like that 1004BAC goes up to 12 feet high.  For rock/jamband stuff, I'd be skeptical of the need to go higher than that so going to measures beyond gaffer tape to secure it shouldn't (again, IMO) be an issue.
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: noahbickart on July 08, 2019, 01:36:34 PM
Collapsible Nalgene 96oz canteen can be folded up and stashed in a bag. Then filled at the water fountain for weight.

Nalgene 96-Ounce Wide Mouth Canteen Water Bottle https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BS0AR4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_q73iDbR3X32ZS
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: voltronic on July 08, 2019, 07:43:02 PM
Gaff tape cures a multitude of sins.

I gaff down my spindly carbon fiber stand for my DPAs, but when using the 1004BAC at full height, especially with the 099b as a boom arm, I feel like a weight is mandatory.  Some of the places I record have my stand sitting on a carpeted area, and gaff tape isn't good for holding down much more than cables there.

I think context is important here.  I get the impression from your other posts that you're typically not recording in a rock concert type of setting with all the venue/security issues that often come with it.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

For the types of shows I go to where open taping is allowed (rock/jamband stuff), even getting a stand in can be a hassle.  Trying to explain to security why I'd need to bring in some big weight would only make things more difficult, IMO.  It looks like that 1004BAC goes up to 12 feet high.  For rock/jamband stuff, I'd be skeptical of the need to go higher than that so going to measures beyond gaffer tape to secure it shouldn't (again, IMO) be an issue.

Yeah, I'm entirely classical / acoustic, and my stand is always in full view of the audience.  12 feet up is typical, if my stand is set in the pit and the performance is on the stage.  Sometimes I need to go higher and / or boom out, hence the 099b (and massive 124 boom clamp).  All of my mics and bars are very light, but those other things are not.  I really need the 10 lb weight there.
Title: Re: Seeking advice on good stand for stereo bar
Post by: jerryfreak on July 09, 2019, 01:52:13 AM
Whichever way you go, there's no shortage of ways to spend money in this hobby.

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