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Title: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: H₂O on January 10, 2019, 01:11:24 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-Linear-PCM-Recorder-16GB-High-Resolution-192khz-24bit-2019-model-PCM-D10/303024970905 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-Linear-PCM-Recorder-16GB-High-Resolution-192khz-24bit-2019-model-PCM-D10/303024970905)

https://www.sony.jp/CorporateCruise/Press/201901/19-0110/

Can't find anything else about this unit yet...
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: H₂O on January 10, 2019, 01:18:44 PM
Looks to use the same technic as the Sonosax R4+ to achive high S/N ratio:


"Using two AD converters, we always ensure a 12 dB lower signal apart from the usual audio circuit. If you suddenly input a loud sound such as a clap while playing, it will go back to that point and replace the recorded data and automatically set it to the optimum level to prevent distortion of the sound."

So looks like the US version will have to be nuetered a bit to get around the Zaxcom's Troll patent.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: flask on January 10, 2019, 01:20:40 PM
https://www.sony.com.sg/electronics/voice-recorders/pcm-d10/specifications
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: Sebastian on January 10, 2019, 01:28:43 PM
That thing looks huge.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: ideal77dlr on January 10, 2019, 01:39:10 PM
Why do this but not an upgrade of the M-10?
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gewwang on January 10, 2019, 02:46:07 PM
This is better in one huge aspect than the m-10 and a-10 - XLR ins with 48V phantom power.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: adrianb on January 10, 2019, 03:19:26 PM
This is better in one huge aspect than the m-10 and a-10 - XLR ins with 48V phantom power.

And knowing Sony products I bet it's got miles better battery life than any other portable recorder with XLR inputs.

I have the Sony XLR-1 Phantom Power unit and have achieved recording times of more than 32 hours on 4 x AA batteries.

Will it be worth buying when I already have the Sony PCM-D100 and the XLR-1? I look forward to reading some reviews.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: nulldogmas on January 10, 2019, 04:33:57 PM
So basically they've split the M10 into two lines: the A10 which is more compact at the cost of a separate Line In, and the D10 which is bigger and adds XLRs? That can work.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: ycoop on January 10, 2019, 04:41:56 PM
Looks to be what the DR-40 aspires to be.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: ycoop on January 10, 2019, 05:18:37 PM
This is better in one huge aspect than the m-10 and a-10 - XLR ins with 48V phantom power.

And knowing Sony products I bet it's got miles better battery life than any other portable recorder with XLR inputs.

I have the Sony XLR-1 Phantom Power unit and have achieved recording times of more than 32 hours on 4 x AA batteries.

Will it be worth buying when I already have the Sony PCM-D100 and the XLR-1? I look forward to reading some reviews.

Quote
BATTERY LIFE FOR RECORDING LPCM 192KHZ, 24BIT
Approx 32 Hrs
BATTERY LIFE FOR RECORDING LPCM 96KHZ, 24BIT
Approx 36 Hrs
BATTERY LIFE FOR RECORDING LPCM 48KHZ, 24BIT
Approx 44 Hrs
BATTERY LIFE FOR RECORDING LPCM 44.1KHZ, 16BIT
Approx 44 Hrs
BATTERY LIFE FOR RECORDING MP3 320KBPS
Approx 44 Hrs

On 4x AA. Amazing even if they are half that in the field.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: jbell on January 10, 2019, 05:22:05 PM
I like the it!!  Might have to grab one for a light 2 channel rig. 
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: Sevoflurane on January 10, 2019, 05:31:22 PM
We all have gripes. But I wish that Sony would have a multi-track recorder like the Tascam DR2D.

This thing looks like a tank. I wonder how well the iOS app works for these things.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: dogmusic on January 10, 2019, 05:31:49 PM
What was the last Sony portable recorder with xlr inputs? The TCD5M? Or was there a DAT portable that had them?

I like this D10 very much. If the preamps are real quiet, I might sell my MP6 since I hardly ever use 4 tracks.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gewwang on January 10, 2019, 05:34:46 PM
New link:

https://pro.sony/en_AU/products/portable-digital-recorders/pcm-d10 (https://pro.sony/en_AU/products/portable-digital-recorders/pcm-d10)


And before we go any further, in the attached pic, there it is... the HOLD button...
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: dogmusic on January 10, 2019, 05:40:37 PM
New link:

https://pro.sony/en_AU/products/portable-digital-recorders/pcm-d10 (https://pro.sony/en_AU/products/portable-digital-recorders/pcm-d10)


They still list the M10!

https://pro.sony/en_AU/products/portable-digital-recorders/pcm-m10
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: vialenco on January 10, 2019, 06:33:57 PM
New link:

https://pro.sony/en_AU/products/portable-digital-recorders/pcm-d10 (https://pro.sony/en_AU/products/portable-digital-recorders/pcm-d10)


They still list the M10!

https://pro.sony/en_AU/products/portable-digital-recorders/pcm-m10

That is odd as that section of the website doesn't even list the PCM-D100.

Here the only current models are the PCM-D100 and new PCM-D10

https://pro.sony/en_SI/products/portable-digital-recorders (https://pro.sony/en_SI/products/portable-digital-recorders)


I like Sony and they certainly have the resources and knowledge to pull off something that's great, having your own semiconductor prefab etc is a biggie. Things like Tascam are pretty much made with a bunch of off the shelf parts.

Any way I really like the look of this new recorder, coincidentally it uses the same DAC as the Tascam DR-100 mkIII
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: dogmusic on January 10, 2019, 06:47:30 PM
Quote from: vialenco link=topic=189206.msg2287525#msg2287525 date=
coincidentally it uses the same DAC as the Tascam DR-100 mkIII

— which is actually a very good recorder.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gormenghast on January 10, 2019, 07:52:41 PM
What was the last Sony portable recorder with xlr inputs? The TCD5M? Or was there a DAT portable that had them?

I like this D10 very much. If the preamps are real quiet, I might sell my MP6 since I hardly ever use 4 tracks.

Sony D10 ProII  :coolguy:



Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: vanark on January 10, 2019, 07:57:33 PM
Looks pretty interesting, esp. that battery life!
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: MakersMarc on January 10, 2019, 08:17:01 PM
What was the last Sony portable recorder with xlr inputs? The TCD5M? Or was there a DAT portable that had them?

I like this D10 very much. If the preamps are real quiet, I might sell my MP6 since I hardly ever use 4 tracks.

DC10 Pro I think, looooong time ago
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: daspyknows on January 11, 2019, 11:11:54 AM
M10 is not in stock. 
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: voltronic on January 11, 2019, 09:50:43 PM
I could have cared less about the D100 or A10, but this one has me interested.

I'll be curious to see what the price is going to be once it makes it to North America.  Judging by the very high price they charge for the D100, I'm bracing myself.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: H₂O on January 11, 2019, 10:02:54 PM
Since the Japanese ebay seller has $688 listed (the Japanese sellers are typically at least 25-30% more then US list) I'd bet list will be $499
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: Niels on January 12, 2019, 04:18:53 AM
I'll be curious to see what the price is going to be once it makes it to North America.

Sony's official list price in Japan:
PCM-A10 19,880 JPY
PCM-D100 95,048 JPY
PCM-D10 49,880 JPY

So the D10 should cost just a little more than half of the D100 in your local market.


Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: Ozpeter on January 12, 2019, 06:08:54 AM
Proper cardioid mics, too.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: morst on January 12, 2019, 06:17:42 AM
Proper cardioid mics, too.
What, the built-ins? YAY more handling noise!? (proximity effect)


 :tomato:
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: ilduclo on January 12, 2019, 10:46:12 AM
That thing looks huge.

Looks no larger than d50, wish they’d show it next to something, though (or show specs)
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: MakersMarc on January 12, 2019, 10:54:52 AM
Since the Japanese ebay seller has $688 listed (the Japanese sellers are typically at least 25-30% more then US list) I'd bet list will be $499

All about the preamps. Otherwise this is a tarted up 661.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: mnm207 on January 12, 2019, 11:18:22 AM
That thing looks huge.

Looks no larger than d50, wish they’d show it next to something, though (or show specs)

According to specs in the E-Bay listing it's about 1 1/2 inches taller than a D100 or D50 and roughly the same width/depth. I'm curious how it'll feel in the hand.

I can't justify buying one of these so I'm starting to look at how to rationalize buying one. 
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: noam on January 12, 2019, 11:29:05 AM
That thing looks huge.

Looks no larger than d50, wish they’d show it next to something, though (or show specs)

It's slightly larger than even the old D1, certainly larger than the D50. I think I'll wait for the next, hopefully smaller model. As commented above, this is the first portable digital SONY with phantom power, since the Sony D10 ProII. A SONY portable recorder with phantom has been my wet dream since the D1 came out. It would have been perfect if they started a line with no mics. Size matters today more than in 2006, when you could get the D1 anywhere with no hassles, (though I stopped taping for years).
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: Niels on January 12, 2019, 11:35:01 AM
... wish they’d show it next to something, though (or show specs)

User Soundhunter64 on Instagram shows the D10 next to an A10: https://www.instagram.com/soundhunter64/
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: H₂O on January 12, 2019, 12:09:38 PM
It is rather large but I am sure it’s smaller then the d1/d50/d100 + the XLR-1
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: adrianb on January 12, 2019, 01:48:17 PM
It is rather large but I am sure it’s smaller then the d1/d50/d100 + the XLR-1

But not the M10 + the XLR-1 which will probably sound better.

Since I will most likely be buying the D10 (having bought every PCM Sony recorder since the D50), I will be able to test that claim.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: ycoop on January 12, 2019, 02:25:22 PM
... wish they’d show it next to something, though (or show specs)

User Soundhunter64 on Instagram shows the D10 next to an A10: https://www.instagram.com/soundhunter64/

Damn that makes the A10 look tiny and the D10 looks ginormous.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: illconditioned on January 12, 2019, 03:18:02 PM
It is rather large but I am sure it’s smaller then the d1/d50/d100 + the XLR-1

But not the M10 + the XLR-1 which will probably sound better.

Since I will most likely be buying the D10 (having bought every PCM Sony recorder since the D50), I will be able to test that claim.
LOL @ this!
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: noam on January 12, 2019, 04:05:22 PM
It is rather large but I am sure it’s smaller then the d1/d50/d100 + the XLR-1

SONY PCM D1 Dimensions (WxDxH)   2.8 x 1.3 x 7.6" (72 x 32.7 x 193mm)

SONY PCM D10 DIMENSIONS (W X H X D)
Approx 80.2 x 197.6 x 37.4 mm Approx 3.16 x 7.78 x 1.48 inches


SONY PCM D50 dimensions: 2.9 x 6.1 x 1.3" (74 x 155 x 33mm) (Not Including Projecting Parts and Controls)

SONY PCM D100 dimensions (W x H x D)   2.80 x 6.10 x 1.25" (71.12 x 154.90 x 31.75 mm)

SD MixPre3 dimensions: 36 mm x 144 mm x 110 mm (H x W x D); 1.40” x 5.68” x 4.35”

The D10 is huge. It's the biggest, thickest SONY PCM recorder (excluding the XLR-1). It's not even clear if it has a size advantage over the SD MixPre3 if you don't need the mics.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: daspyknows on January 12, 2019, 04:16:07 PM
IMHO the mics are a waste of space.  If someone is buying a unit with XLRs they are not likely to be using internal mics.  Good luck with it Sony but not something that comes close to what I would need. 
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: Sebastian on January 12, 2019, 04:35:38 PM
Here are some more pictures. Someone in Japan even tore it down.

https://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1160894.html

What I find funny is the praise the built-in AK4558 ADCs get when they can be had for $2-3 a piece.  :shrug:
https://www.findchips.com/search/AK4558
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: dogmusic on January 12, 2019, 05:56:00 PM
IMHO the mics are a waste of space.  If someone is buying a unit with XLRs they are not likely to be using internal mics.  Good luck with it Sony but not something that comes close to what I would need.

If the mics are as good as the D100’s, they could be quite handy, in a pinch.

But I too wish Sony would bring out a box like the old TCD5M or D10proii, with xlr phantom, but also digital I/O, double card slots, DSD, etc.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: illconditioned on January 12, 2019, 06:56:48 PM
There are plenty of situations where built in mics would be fine.  For example, recording lectures, presentations etc.
I could also see having this set up semi-permanently in your studio, practice space, with external mics plugged in.
I've always loved the Sony gear.  Get an M10 for portable recording, D10 for open recording.


Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: SoundHolic on January 12, 2019, 09:12:59 PM
Here is rough size comparison of recorders projected to 2D. Bottom parts show thickness.  :)
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: mitchellm on January 13, 2019, 11:14:42 AM
Here is rough size comparison of recorders projected to 2D. Bottom parts show thickness.  :)

Thanks! That visual is very helpful.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: H₂O on January 13, 2019, 01:48:40 PM
It is rather large but I am sure it’s smaller then the d1/d50/d100 + the XLR-1

But not the M10 + the XLR-1 which will probably sound better.

Since I will most likely be buying the D10 (having bought every PCM Sony recorder since the D50), I will be able to test that claim.


You know the XLR-1 doesn't have a pre-amp right?
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: adrianb on January 13, 2019, 03:47:19 PM
You know the XLR-1 doesn't have a pre-amp right?

Yes, I use it a lot with my D100. I think it's fantastic, expensive but fantastic.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: willndmb on January 13, 2019, 05:31:23 PM
New link:

https://pro.sony/en_AU/products/portable-digital-recorders/pcm-d10 (https://pro.sony/en_AU/products/portable-digital-recorders/pcm-d10)


And before we go any further, in the attached pic, there it is... the HOLD button...
i don't use headphones but think it's cool you can switch fast and easy between stereo/l/r.
Notice it has line in too.
Battery life is crazy good
Be cooler if it got rid of the mics and was more compact imo, close to 8" is to big for me to "upgrade"
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: voltronic on January 13, 2019, 07:51:24 PM
You know the XLR-1 doesn't have a pre-amp right?

Yes, I use it a lot with my D100. I think it's fantastic, expensive but fantastic.

I'm curious what led you to go that route as opposed to something with onboard mic inputs, or even getting an actual 2-channel preamp like a MixPre.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: adrianb on January 14, 2019, 11:06:27 AM
I'm curious what led you to go that route as opposed to something with onboard mic inputs, or even getting an actual 2-channel preamp like a MixPre.

Good question. I own a MixPre-3, a pair of Sennheiser MKH 8040 and Audio-Technica BP4025. So why don't I just use them?

The Sony portables are what got me into recording, what is mainly quiet ambient and nature sounds for my own enjoyment. I have every PCM device since the D50, and will no doubt be buying the D10.

But it's the M10 and D100 that I use predominantly, and most of my favourite sounds have been pulled using the D100 and I always have it with me hidden in the car. The XLR-1 was bought here as a curiosity, but to me using it with the D100 sounds just as good as the MixPre-3. In fact I am thinking of selling the MixPre-3 and accepting that the use of external mics is occasional.

I'm curious to see how the D10 performs, but as I said above I bet it's no better with external mics than the M10/XLR-1 and certainly not the D100/XLR-1.

At the moment it's just a matter of convenience. I have the 8040's in ORTF together with the XLR-1 in one setup, I can just pick it up and go knowing that the batteries will be good, as will those in the D100 hidden in the car.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: illconditioned on January 15, 2019, 10:26:15 PM
I'm curious what led you to go that route as opposed to something with onboard mic inputs, or even getting an actual 2-channel preamp like a MixPre.

Good question. I own a MixPre-3, a pair of Sennheiser MKH 8040 and Audio-Technica BP4025. So why don't I just use them?

The Sony portables are what got me into recording, what is mainly quiet ambient and nature sounds for my own enjoyment. I have every PCM device since the D50, and will no doubt be buying the D10.

But it's the M10 and D100 that I use predominantly, and most of my favourite sounds have been pulled using the D100 and I always have it with me hidden in the car. The XLR-1 was bought here as a curiosity, but to me using it with the D100 sounds just as good as the MixPre-3. In fact I am thinking of selling the MixPre-3 and accepting that the use of external mics is occasional.

I'm curious to see how the D10 performs, but as I said above I bet it's no better with external mics than the M10/XLR-1 and certainly not the D100/XLR-1.

At the moment it's just a matter of convenience. I have the 8040's in ORTF together with the XLR-1 in one setup, I can just pick it up and go knowing that the batteries will be good, as will those in the D100 hidden in the car.
Based on the measurements of others, it looks like SNR on D10 is approx that of D50.  Both of these are approx 10dB better than the M10.
The D100 is the best.  It has 20dB more SNR than M10 and 10dB more than D10/D50.
M10, D50, D10 and D100 all have excellent very low noise preamps.  Very near SD quality.
I'm talking about dynamic range of the ADC.
All of these recorders are very good, and operate over a very wide gain range.  To get as many bits as possible D100 or SD may be best.

Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: Sebastian on January 16, 2019, 04:25:50 AM
M10, D50, D10 and D100 all have excellent very low noise preamps.  Very near SD quality.

I think at this point in time it's fair to say that the M10's preamps are nowhere near "low noise" - especially when the M10 is run at low sensitivity mic-in or line-in mode. The D50 and D100 might be great, but the "low noise" preamps of the M10 are a myth on par with UFO and Bigfoot sightings. According to the Avisoft measurements (http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm), there is a number of Tascam, Roland and Olympus recorders that are considerably quieter. Even the SONY Hi-MD MZ-RH1 beats the M10 by 2dB (mic-in, high) or 5dB (mic-in, low).
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: DSatz on January 16, 2019, 06:35:38 PM
According to the measurements I made some years ago, the input noise of the M10 meant that its 24-bit recording mode was essentially pointless--its noise floor was only about one dB below the 16-bit noise floor.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: voltronic on January 16, 2019, 06:55:22 PM
According to the measurements I made some years ago, the input noise of the M10 meant that its 24-bit recording mode was essentially pointless--its noise floor was only about one dB below the 16-bit noise floor.

For both mic and line inputs?  I would think line in would be less noisy.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gaoping561 on January 17, 2019, 06:19:23 AM
(http://)

Link a picture from a China web site:http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5955070688?traceid=

The price is 3499 RMB, about 500$
https://item.jd.com/100002091271.html
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: adrianb on January 18, 2019, 08:46:17 AM
That looks huge. I'm struggling to think of an occasion I would choose that rather than my Mixpre-3, or D100, or D100 + XLR1.

I will still probably buy it though.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: lsd2525 on January 18, 2019, 09:01:28 AM
"The price is 3499 RMB, about 500$"

How much is that in Canadian lira?
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: dogmusic on January 18, 2019, 05:32:18 PM
"The price is 3499 RMB, about 500$"

How much is that in Canadian lira?

According to this...

https://liliputing.com/2019/01/sony-pcm-d10-portable-audio-recorder-coming-this-spring-for-500.html

...price will be $500 USD.

So, around $650 in Canadian dinero.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: H₂O on January 18, 2019, 08:48:45 PM
It does look huge - why wouldn't they shrink the footprint
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: dogmusic on January 21, 2019, 08:31:41 AM
The manual has been posted:

https://www.sony.com.sg/electronics/support/res/manuals/4744/4b0ee500c8a184318d59e9db8233f72a/47445281M.pdf

And the Help Guide:

https://helpguide.sony.net/icd/pcmd10/v1/en/print.pdf
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: spyder9 on January 22, 2019, 03:53:05 PM
You know the XLR-1 doesn't have a pre-amp right?

Yes, I use it a lot with my D100. I think it's fantastic, expensive but fantastic.

The XLR-1 is NOT a preamp.  It only provides phantom power, just like a Denecke PS-2.  No way to adjust Gain.  https://pro.sony/en_GB/products/portable-digital-recorders/xlr-1
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: 2manyrocks on January 23, 2019, 08:47:23 AM
That looks huge. I'm struggling to think of an occasion I would choose that rather than my Mixpre-3, or D100, or D100 + XLR1.

I will still probably buy it though.  :facepalm:

I guess it depends on your perspective.  It looks smaller than a SD702.  The built in mics and the XLR inputs add to the length. 

Wonder how it will fare given the number of 4 channel recorders in the same or less price range? 
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: adrianf74 on January 23, 2019, 07:54:08 PM
"The price is 3499 RMB, about 500$"

How much is that in Canadian lira?

According to this...

https://liliputing.com/2019/01/sony-pcm-d10-portable-audio-recorder-coming-this-spring-for-500.html

...price will be $500 USD.

So, around $650 in Canadian dinero.

And add 20% markup on that as well.  Now we're more in line with what we should expect to pay.  :/
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: meursault on January 25, 2019, 05:43:05 AM
Does it record a second file at lower rec level for safety for accidental loudness distortions?
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gewwang on January 30, 2019, 09:32:04 AM
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1455506-REG/sony_pcm_d10_d10_linear_pcm_recorder_d.html (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1455506-REG/sony_pcm_d10_d10_linear_pcm_recorder_d.html)

$499.99

Expected availability: Apr 15, 2019
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: b_curl on February 04, 2019, 05:33:23 AM
Hmm, I've got a PCM-M10 brand new in it's box that i've had as a back up for when my current one dies. I might have to think about selling it before this new one comes out.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: adrianb on February 04, 2019, 07:19:47 AM
Hmm, I've got a PCM-M10 brand new in it's box that i've had as a back up for when my current one dies. I might have to think about selling it before this new one comes out.

You might want to wait until you know how snugly the D10 fits in your jeans pocket before you sell your M10. :)
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gewwang on February 04, 2019, 08:57:10 AM
Hmm, I've got a PCM-M10 brand new in it's box that i've had as a back up for when my current one dies. I might have to think about selling it before this new one comes out.

You might want to wait until you know how snugly the D10 fits in your jeans pocket before you sell your M10. :)

i’m planning to attach it to a lanyard and hang it around my neck while stealthing. with the phone app, you don’t have to take it out for any reason - unlike the m10.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: adrianb on February 04, 2019, 03:31:57 PM
i’m planning to attach it to a lanyard and hang it around my neck while stealthing. with the phone app, you don’t have to take it out for any reason - unlike the m10.

You could do that ... but maybe it would be more stealth like with the A10 ?

:)
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: aaronji on February 04, 2019, 06:06:21 PM
but maybe it would be more stealth like with the A10 ?

Not once you add in a phantom power supply...
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gewwang on February 04, 2019, 07:20:23 PM
but maybe it would be more stealth like with the A10 ?

Not once you add in a phantom power supply...

I've preordered the D10. Once I get it, I'll compare the sax>A10 vs going direct into the D10 and will then sell the A10 if the Sony pre sounds better than the sax. I have high hopes for the D10. I don't believe they've had a recorder with preamp and 48V phantom since the D10pro DAT recorder.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: ThePiedPiper on February 05, 2019, 02:12:30 AM
I know this sounds like a Christmas Wishlist, but this is everything I am wanting minus the size. I wish there was an option for "with" and "without" XLR inputs which would cut the size about 40%. The rest is (FOR ME) perfect. I love being able to change batteries when needed, the MIC/LINE switch and everything else. It's just not anything remotely close to being stealthy.

I miss the PCM-M10 badly. I had three of them and sold them all (on here) and I'm regretting it more and more.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: unidentified on February 05, 2019, 07:31:04 AM
I know this sounds like a Christmas Wishlist, but this is everything I am wanting minus the size. I wish there was an option for "with" and "without" XLR inputs which would cut the size about 40%. The rest is (FOR ME) perfect. I love being able to change batteries when needed, the MIC/LINE switch and everything else. It's just not anything remotely close to being stealthy.

I miss the PCM-M10 badly. I had three of them and sold them all (on here) and I'm regretting it more and more.

I love the M-10.  There are a couple for sale in the Yard Sale.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: capnhook on February 05, 2019, 08:46:21 AM
I know this sounds like a Christmas Wishlist, but this is everything I am wanting minus the size. I wish there was an option for "with" and "without" XLR inputs which would cut the size about 40%. The rest is (FOR ME) perfect. I love being able to change batteries when needed, the MIC/LINE switch and everything else. It's just not anything remotely close to being stealthy.

I miss the PCM-M10 badly. I had three of them and sold them all (on here) and I'm regretting it more and more.

For the "without" option, how does a TASCAM DR-22WL look in comparison?  I don't know enough about this new SONY machine.

DR-22WL is pretty small, and with adding a 20dB attenuator cable you can take a hot SBD, too.

It uses 2 AA's.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: hoppedup on February 05, 2019, 08:50:59 AM


For the "without" option, how does a TASCAM DR-22WL look in comparison?  I don't know enough about this new SONY machine.

DR-22WL is pretty small, and with adding a 20dB attenuator cable you can take a hot SBD, too.

It uses 2 AA's.

I haven't used my DR-22WL much and it is on loan now, but I have had great luck with the other tiny Tascams (DR-05, DR-07, DR-08). The DR-22WL will be my choice if I ever stealth again.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: ycoop on February 05, 2019, 02:41:14 PM


For the "without" option, how does a TASCAM DR-22WL look in comparison?  I don't know enough about this new SONY machine.

DR-22WL is pretty small, and with adding a 20dB attenuator cable you can take a hot SBD, too.

It uses 2 AA's.
I haven't used my DR-22WL much and it is on loan now, but I have had great luck with the other tiny Tascams (DR-05, DR-07, DR-08). The DR-22WL will be my choice if I ever stealth again.

Are there particular features of the 22wl that lead you to prefer it to the 05?
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: capnhook on February 05, 2019, 02:54:33 PM


For the "without" option, how does a TASCAM DR-22WL look in comparison?  I don't know enough about this new SONY machine.

DR-22WL is pretty small, and with adding a 20dB attenuator cable you can take a hot SBD, too.

It uses 2 AA's.
I haven't used my DR-22WL much and it is on loan now, but I have had great luck with the other tiny Tascams (DR-05, DR-07, DR-08). The DR-22WL will be my choice if I ever stealth again.

Are there particular features of the 22wl that lead you to prefer it to the 05?

I wouldn't know the difference, ycoop, I don't have experience with portables other than the DR-22WL.  I like that the DR-22WL has cardioid mics, and wi-fi.  I can power it with a small external Li battery all day at a festy, too.


I made a table-top recording at Ardmore, mounted it on a 3" tripod, that came out great..

https://archive.org/details/TheSkatalites2017-02-23.capnhook.flac16


You can contrast that recording with the full matrix recording that I mixed later..

https://archive.org/details/TheSkatalites2017-02-23.matrix.flac16
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: lsd2525 on February 05, 2019, 03:20:11 PM
I'm holding out for one of these
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: capnhook on February 05, 2019, 03:28:34 PM
I'm holding out for one of these

Gonna need a left and a right for stereo.

Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: lsd2525 on February 05, 2019, 03:50:52 PM
I'm holding out for one of these

Gonna need a left and a right for stereo.

Yeah, but internal mics + put them under your front row seat = heat.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: 2manyrocks on February 07, 2019, 01:35:08 PM
FWIW, I had a 22wl and sold it here maybe a year ago.  Still have an 05.   My hazy and potentially wrong recollection is my 05 has better battery life since it doesn't have any wifi control.  The thing about the 22wl that was interesting was the ability to control it remotely using the Tascam control app.  If you had a situation where you could put the 22wl on stage and would be close enough to control it remotely, I think that would be its best use.

edit:  alternatively, if you could put the 22wl at the soundboard and capture a feed remotely, that would also be a good use.  I never tried it, but I assume you could use a battery powered external router to extend its range? 

If you are just going to have the recorder with you, then my suggestion would be the 05 which I think is a pretty decent recorder.   

The new Sony PCM-D10 looks interesting and comparatively much smaller than its predecessors. 

The M10 was a classic.  Still can't believe Sony discontinued it.   

 
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: Rules on February 09, 2019, 05:17:58 PM
Hi all! Would you still consider sensible using a PCMD100 for long form interviews with just the internal mics instead of getting the D10 and rigging it up with the internals + xlr new feature?
I mean, I'm just getting the D100...
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: mnm207 on February 19, 2019, 03:41:15 PM
Thought some might be interested in this review (https://mindful-audio.com/blog/handheld-recorder-review (https://mindful-audio.com/blog/handheld-recorder-review)) of the D10 (and A10) from George Vlad on his field recording blog.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: Sebastian on February 20, 2019, 03:26:24 AM
Thought some might be interested in this review (https://mindful-audio.com/blog/handheld-recorder-review (https://mindful-audio.com/blog/handheld-recorder-review)) of the D10 (and A10) from George Vlad on his field recording blog.

Thanks! However, the review seems to focus on the recording quality of the internal mics. Not sure the results apply to what most of us do.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: mnm207 on February 20, 2019, 11:24:24 AM
Not sure the results apply to what most of us do.

Agreed, in reference to internal mics. However, I thought him getting almost 13 hours on a set of AA batteries while running 2 phantom powered mics would catch some folks' eyes.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: noam on February 20, 2019, 12:43:31 PM
Thought some might be interested in this review (https://mindful-audio.com/blog/handheld-recorder-review (https://mindful-audio.com/blog/handheld-recorder-review)) of the D10 (and A10) from George Vlad on his field recording blog.

Thanks! However, the review seems to focus on the recording quality of the internal mics. Not sure the results apply to what most of us do.

"When using the XLR inputs, the D10 is noisier than the Sound Devices Mixpre 10T or 633 recorders. Granted, these are recorders with more features and in different price categories, but it still is a bit disappointing."

Yes, disappointing. 
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gmm6797 on March 17, 2019, 12:44:27 AM
it is posted with a link, but no content yet: https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/portable-digital-recorders/pcm-d10
B&H is selling it for 499
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: jerryfreak on March 17, 2019, 06:33:15 AM
doesnt the tascam DR-40 and DR-40X also offer phantom, in a smaller package at 1/3 of the price?
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: mepaca on April 30, 2019, 09:18:22 PM
In stock @ B&H.   https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1455506-REG/sony_pcm_d10_d10_linear_pcm_recorder_d.html
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: ycoop on April 30, 2019, 09:29:36 PM
doesnt the tascam DR-40 and DR-40X also offer phantom, in a smaller package at 1/3 of the price?

It certainly does. I doubt the preamps are as good and the battery life isn’t great.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gewwang on April 30, 2019, 09:34:24 PM
B&H charged my credit card in the amount of $533.74 so I hope to have one in hand soon.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gmm6797 on May 01, 2019, 08:14:29 AM
B&H charged my credit card in the amount of $533.74 so I hope to have one in hand soon.
Didnt think you were still in the game... keep us posted on your results!
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gewwang on May 01, 2019, 12:52:19 PM
arrived today
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gewwang on May 06, 2019, 09:43:45 AM
Took it out for it's first run on Sat. at Bryan Adams from 22nd row center outdoor amp 4023 > D10. My only observations so far are :

1. Like the A10, it's nice to stealth without ever having to take the recorder out because you can stop/start and monitor with bluetooth and the iphone.

2. However, the A10 lets you adjust levels on the iphone app, the D10 doesn't. For this I could still easily find the level knobs on the deck under my shirt.

3. When you engage the hold button, the backlight turns on. I didn't notice this until after the show ended, luckily none of my neighbors saw this (or maybe they didn't point it out to me).

4. Running on 4 AA Maha 2700 Nimhs. After 2 hours running 48V phantom it was still at full bars.

I'll have a sample up later today.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: MakersMarc on May 06, 2019, 11:36:17 AM
5. Bryan Adams?!
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gewwang on May 06, 2019, 11:38:39 AM
5. Bryan Adams?!

LOL. Was hoping no one caught that.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gmm6797 on May 06, 2019, 12:41:22 PM
5. Bryan Adams?!
LOL. Was hoping no one caught that.

Whats wrong with seeing any act these days?  From Bryan Adams to Madonna to Cher to Black Label Society... get them all!
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: mitchellm on May 06, 2019, 12:47:32 PM
Took it out for it's first run on Sat. at Bryan Adams from 22nd row center outdoor amp 4023 > D10. My only observations so far are :

1. Like the A10, it's nice to stealth without ever having to take the recorder out because you can stop/start and monitor with bluetooth and the iphone.

2. However, the A10 lets you adjust levels on the iphone app, the D10 doesn't. For this I could still easily find the level knobs on the deck under my shirt.

3. When you engage the hold button, the backlight turns on. I didn't notice this until after the show ended, luckily none of my neighbors saw this (or maybe they didn't point it out to me).

4. Running on 4 AA Maha 2700 Nimhs. After 2 hours running 48V phantom it was still at full bars.

I'll have a sample up later today.

The key complaint I've heard about the D10 is that there can be noticeable self-noise. With a concert I don't think it would be noticeable. I wonder if you notice self-noise just with spoken word recordings? The folks who have complained have been recording ambient sounds where, understandably, you want everything with the recording process to be very quiet. I'd mainly use for spoken voice and softer music. On the fence about this device. But I like the XLR connectors.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gewwang on May 06, 2019, 01:30:36 PM
5. Bryan Adams?!
LOL. Was hoping no one caught that.

Whats wrong with seeing any act these days?  From Bryan Adams to Madonna to Cher to Black Label Society... get them all!

I originally was gonna skip this show due to the obscene ticket price. However when the D10 arrived on Friday, I was motivated to give it it's first run. It also helped that there were all sorts of thunderstorms all day which brought the stubhub price down to something more managable.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gmm6797 on May 06, 2019, 01:42:29 PM
I originally was gonna skip this show due to the obscene ticket price. However when the D10 arrived on Friday, I was motivated to give it it's first run. It also helped that there were all sorts of thunderstorms all day which brought the stubhub price down to something more managable.
Tickets prices are crazy right now, and I am waiting for stubhub for a bunch of shows, or I just wont bother... not sure how we got to 200 a ticket for so many shows that were less than 100 a year or 2 ago
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gewwang on May 06, 2019, 03:13:59 PM
Took it out for it's first run on Sat. at Bryan Adams from 22nd row center outdoor amp 4023 > D10. My only observations so far are :

1. Like the A10, it's nice to stealth without ever having to take the recorder out because you can stop/start and monitor with bluetooth and the iphone.

2. However, the A10 lets you adjust levels on the iphone app, the D10 doesn't. For this I could still easily find the level knobs on the deck under my shirt.

3. When you engage the hold button, the backlight turns on. I didn't notice this until after the show ended, luckily none of my neighbors saw this (or maybe they didn't point it out to me).

4. Running on 4 AA Maha 2700 Nimhs. After 2 hours running 48V phantom it was still at full bars.

I'll have a sample up later today.

Here's the sample:

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/2afb1554c0521d74b5874a26da9e27fc20190506191106/cffbd14fb9f116153d473a176ecc7c8f20190506191106/eeee4c (https://wetransfer.com/downloads/2afb1554c0521d74b5874a26da9e27fc20190506191106/cffbd14fb9f116153d473a176ecc7c8f20190506191106/eeee4c)
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: lsd2525 on May 06, 2019, 03:16:57 PM
Took it out for it's first run on Sat. at Bryan Adams from 22nd row center outdoor amp 4023 > D10. My only observations so far are :

1. Like the A10, it's nice to stealth without ever having to take the recorder out because you can stop/start and monitor with bluetooth and the iphone.

2. However, the A10 lets you adjust levels on the iphone app, the D10 doesn't. For this I could still easily find the level knobs on the deck under my shirt.

3. When you engage the hold button, the backlight turns on. I didn't notice this until after the show ended, luckily none of my neighbors saw this (or maybe they didn't point it out to me).

4. Running on 4 AA Maha 2700 Nimhs. After 2 hours running 48V phantom it was still at full bars.

I'll have a sample up later today.

Here's the sample:

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/2afb1554c0521d74b5874a26da9e27fc20190506191106/cffbd14fb9f116153d473a176ecc7c8f20190506191106/eeee4c (https://wetransfer.com/downloads/2afb1554c0521d74b5874a26da9e27fc20190506191106/cffbd14fb9f116153d473a176ecc7c8f20190506191106/eeee4c)

No way to turn that backlight off in the menu?
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: gewwang on May 06, 2019, 03:22:42 PM
No way to turn that backlight off in the menu?

There's a setting that lets you determine how long before the light goes off or to stay on all the time. I had it set to 1 min so my assumption was that it would shut off after I hit hold and waited a minute, but that didn't happen.

Still need to play with it.
Title: Re: New Recorder Sony PCM-D10
Post by: dogmusic on May 06, 2019, 05:11:18 PM
Took it out for it's first run on Sat. at Bryan Adams from 22nd row center outdoor amp 4023 > D10. My only observations so far are :

1. Like the A10, it's nice to stealth without ever having to take the recorder out because you can stop/start and monitor with bluetooth and the iphone.

2. However, the A10 lets you adjust levels on the iphone app, the D10 doesn't. For this I could still easily find the level knobs on the deck under my shirt.

3. When you engage the hold button, the backlight turns on. I didn't notice this until after the show ended, luckily none of my neighbors saw this (or maybe they didn't point it out to me).

4. Running on 4 AA Maha 2700 Nimhs. After 2 hours running 48V phantom it was still at full bars.

I'll have a sample up later today.

Here's the sample:

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/2afb1554c0521d74b5874a26da9e27fc20190506191106/cffbd14fb9f116153d473a176ecc7c8f20190506191106/eeee4c (https://wetransfer.com/downloads/2afb1554c0521d74b5874a26da9e27fc20190506191106/cffbd14fb9f116153d473a176ecc7c8f20190506191106/eeee4c)

Sounds great. Lots of bass. Thanks!