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Re: Newbie here, wanna start taping but don't know where to start.
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2019, 11:30:00 AM »
Maybe go on Live Music Archive and listen to a bunch of different recordings and put together some things you like about certain rigs/mics/recordings. You can put together a real recording rig for $500. Sometimes the advice on here can be a little iffy.

Lots of stuff also posted on Kickdown Central thread on here too.  Pay specific attention to the type of music you plan to tape, the type of venue i.e. club, theater, arena, festival,  location AND mics and whether it is stealth or open taping.  You wi ll find what you like best and then reconcile with cost.  For me there are some mics I like and some (internal mics for example) that I do not like and typically just ignore. 

Also,  if purchasing on yard sale most folks selling gear are good folks but there have been a few bad apples that need to be avoided.  Feel free to reach out to others to inquire since there is general agreement on the bad apples.

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Re: Newbie here, wanna start taping but don't know where to start.
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2019, 01:49:44 PM »
Expensive Mikes=Better Recording.

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Re: Newbie here, wanna start taping but don't know where to start.
« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2019, 11:49:47 AM »
Allow me to offer a slightly different perspective.  You don't need an M10.  Not only are they no longer available to purchase new, they seem to sell for more than other competent handheld recorders.  Your money is better spent on mics.  Get a recorder that will do the job for you, but the M10 isn't the only answer there.  Plenty of other recorders will be plenty fine (if I were in the market now I'd be very seriously considering the Roland R-07 which can be found for good prices and seems to be more than adequate as an M10 replacement (it even offers some features that the M10 doesn't).  There are of course even more options, but it's easy to get the impression in this forum that the M10 is the be-all-end-all in handhelds.

My recommendation would be AT853 mics with the 4.7k (aka low sensitivity) mod.  Add a simple battery box and you're in business.  I want to say that someone even had success with the low sensitivity AT853s direct into an R-07 at a loud show (Primus, maybe?), so it's possible you could get away with no battery box...or at least give it a shot.

Thanks for our advice. I will buy the Roland R-07 tomorrow, I've heard it's good for it's price and people have sent me private msgs here and recommendet it, it's also available in my city so this is great. I don't know what you mean with "the 4.7k mod". What is this? If I buy the AT853 mic I would need a batttery box right, or is the r-07 enough?

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Re: Newbie here, wanna start taping but don't know where to start.
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2019, 12:27:56 PM »
Allow me to offer a slightly different perspective.  You don't need an M10.  Not only are they no longer available to purchase new, they seem to sell for more than other competent handheld recorders.  Your money is better spent on mics.  Get a recorder that will do the job for you, but the M10 isn't the only answer there.  Plenty of other recorders will be plenty fine (if I were in the market now I'd be very seriously considering the Roland R-07 which can be found for good prices and seems to be more than adequate as an M10 replacement (it even offers some features that the M10 doesn't).  There are of course even more options, but it's easy to get the impression in this forum that the M10 is the be-all-end-all in handhelds.

My recommendation would be AT853 mics with the 4.7k (aka low sensitivity) mod.  Add a simple battery box and you're in business.  I want to say that someone even had success with the low sensitivity AT853s direct into an R-07 at a loud show (Primus, maybe?), so it's possible you could get away with no battery box...or at least give it a shot.

Thanks for our advice. I will buy the Roland R-07 tomorrow, I've heard it's good for it's price and people have sent me private msgs here and recommendet it, it's also available in my city so this is great. I don't know what you mean with "the 4.7k mod". What is this? If I buy the AT853 mic I would need a batttery box right, or is the r-07 enough?

The AT853 mics need a battery box AND also require the 4.7kmod(low sensitivity mod) or they will distort without that mod.

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Re: Newbie here, wanna start taping but don't know where to start.
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2019, 03:13:20 PM »
Allow me to offer a slightly different perspective.  You don't need an M10.  Not only are they no longer available to purchase new, they seem to sell for more than other competent handheld recorders.  Your money is better spent on mics.  Get a recorder that will do the job for you, but the M10 isn't the only answer there.  Plenty of other recorders will be plenty fine (if I were in the market now I'd be very seriously considering the Roland R-07 which can be found for good prices and seems to be more than adequate as an M10 replacement (it even offers some features that the M10 doesn't).  There are of course even more options, but it's easy to get the impression in this forum that the M10 is the be-all-end-all in handhelds.

My recommendation would be AT853 mics with the 4.7k (aka low sensitivity) mod.  Add a simple battery box and you're in business.  I want to say that someone even had success with the low sensitivity AT853s direct into an R-07 at a loud show (Primus, maybe?), so it's possible you could get away with no battery box...or at least give it a shot.

Thanks for our advice. I will buy the Roland R-07 tomorrow, I've heard it's good for it's price and people have sent me private msgs here and recommendet it, it's also available in my city so this is great. I don't know what you mean with "the 4.7k mod". What is this? If I buy the AT853 mic I would need a batttery box right, or is the r-07 enough?

If you get the AT853s from Sounds Pros the low sensitivity mod is an option.  If you get them in the yard sale you might see it referred to as the 4.7k mod.
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Re: Newbie here, wanna start taping but don't know where to start.
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2019, 04:36:45 PM »
The main advantage of the M10 is the battery life, which is approximately forever.
Another advantage of the M10 is that it can handle input levels up to 2 volts. When it was introduced, I was using the old Zoom H2 that looked like an electric shaver, and the H2 could only handle 0.775 volts on the line in, or you had to use a pad cable.
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