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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #330 on: December 13, 2012, 05:52:41 PM »
Was wondering has any measured the low cut filter or know how steep it is?Was wondering about using it when running DSM mics direct into plug in power.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #331 on: December 16, 2012, 09:25:19 AM »
I guess my question above can not be answered,so how can  i measure the low cut filter myself on the Sony PCM m10?

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #332 on: December 16, 2012, 09:57:43 AM »
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #333 on: December 16, 2012, 12:00:38 PM »
OK Thanks for that link,i never have any luck with taperssection search function for some reason.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #334 on: December 16, 2012, 02:40:33 PM »
OK Thanks for that link,i never have any luck with taperssection search function for some reason.

If you don't like TS's search, you can use google: site:taperssection.com +"sony pcm-m10" +"low cut filter"
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #335 on: December 17, 2012, 03:14:44 AM »
I got a second M10 recently; bought my first one in 2011.  Recorded 3.5 hours the other day on each unit using AT853 > battery box > M10, and the same type of NiMH batteries in each.  The old M10 still had 3 bars on the battery icon by the end, and the new M10 had a flashing battery icon with zero bars.

Both units are set to 'NiMH' battery type in the menus.  I also tried recharging the batteries, switching battery pairs between the units, and recording > 3 hrs again.  Same result.  Any idea why battery life is so poor on this new unit?
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #336 on: December 17, 2012, 07:15:57 AM »
Is the new unit actually running the battery down or is it just showing as empty on the display?

Either way, I'd be sending it back to the shop - no matter what encoding, PiP, limiter, output etc options you have engaged, I can't see why the batteries should run down *that* much more quickly than usual.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #337 on: December 17, 2012, 05:25:27 PM »
Hmm, that's weird as fu@k. I get around 15 hrs running 2 year old 2300mah energizes in BOTH my M10s
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #338 on: December 20, 2012, 10:51:37 AM »
Any chance the Church UBB battery box could cause the AA batteries in the M10 to deplete more quickly than an SP battery box?  I didn't try switching battery boxes.

In any case, I decided to return the unit and try my luck with a different one.  FYI ... B&H is selling the M10 for $199 (that price appeared after I added it to my cart).
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #339 on: December 23, 2012, 09:13:54 AM »
Any chance the Church UBB battery box could cause the AA batteries in the M10 to deplete more quickly than an SP battery box?  I didn't try switching battery boxes.

In any case, I decided to return the unit and try my luck with a different one.  FYI ... B&H is selling the M10 for $199 (that price appeared after I added it to my cart).

"It depends."

I recently ran AT853/c's > UBB > M10 at the back of a venue (in the VIP section) and had to run the M10 at line input 9 or 10 and was still only seeing peaks of -12dB.  I was using five or six year old Eneloops (bad me) but only saw about a 1/2 drain on that recording.

What can drain batteries quickly is having the volume playback level set at 30 and not have anything connected to the M10 -- I tried this once and noticed a 2 hour show took me to 1/3 of strength.   

I think sending back the M10 was the smart move on your part.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #340 on: December 25, 2012, 08:00:26 PM »
Any chance the Church UBB battery box could cause the AA batteries in the M10 to deplete more quickly than an SP battery box?  I didn't try switching battery boxes.

In any case, I decided to return the unit and try my luck with a different one.  FYI ... B&H is selling the M10 for $199 (that price appeared after I added it to my cart).

"It depends."

I recently ran AT853/c's > UBB > M10 at the back of a venue (in the VIP section) and had to run the M10 at line input 9 or 10 and was still only seeing peaks of -12dB.  I was using five or six year old Eneloops (bad me) but only saw about a 1/2 drain on that recording.

What can drain batteries quickly is having the volume playback level set at 30 and not have anything connected to the M10 -- I tried this once and noticed a 2 hour show took me to 1/3 of strength.   

I think sending back the M10 was the smart move on your part.

never thought about the LINE-OUT being maxed out. My M10s are ALWAYS set at LINE-OUT, if that makes a difference. I leave it that way in case someone wants a patch, which happens very rarely anymore :)
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #341 on: January 08, 2013, 09:11:24 PM »
Hello, all. I just wanted to sign in as the new owner of a red M10 that I bought today at Dale Pro Audio.

First impression: It's smaller than I'd expected, and the shade of red is darker than I'd expected, but both surprises are nice as far as I'm concerned.

As soon as I learn the controls and settings, I plan to use it with a pair of Schoeps mikes with CMBI bodies--the ones with internal batteries and unbalanced outputs.

Some technoid questions:
- Has anyone here measured the input overload voltage for the mike inputs?
- Does anyone here know whether the unit applies dither when it's set for 16-bit recording?

My apologies if those questions have already been asked and answered many times before.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #342 on: January 08, 2013, 09:12:53 PM »
WOW, for once, Im stumped about M10 questions :P Sorry Im no help on those DSatz :)
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #343 on: January 08, 2013, 09:51:46 PM »
OK, I've got an answer to my own first question: With "MIC SENS" set to LOW the mike inputs can handle about 1 Volt without overload (measured at 1 kHz). So as long as the rec level control is set to ~1.5-2 or higher, the mike preamps can't be clipped before the recording level reaches 0 dB (full scale). Very nice!

By the way, with just below 1V at the mike inputs, the THD+N is so low (definitely below 0.03%) that I'm gonna have to dig up a better test generator to measure it. Time to fire up the old Hewlett-Packard ...
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #344 on: January 09, 2013, 09:05:01 AM »
^^^ That squares well with guysonic's measurement.  He said 2 dBu for the mic input and 24 dBu for the line input...

As for dithering in 16-bit, I have no idea.  Maybe you can find some information about that in the codec spec sheet?  I think it is a Cirrus CS42L52.

 

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