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Re: Record player/ Turntable recommendations?
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2012, 04:12:31 PM »
Heh, m0k3, are you going into the business of refurbing/rebuilding vintage TTs?  'Cause that thing is a beauty...

Since you seem to know a lot about this stuff, I'll take this chance to ask a dumb question - I notice that doesn't have a dust cover, and lots of HQ TTS don't.  Do you just cover those type of TTs with a cloth dust cover, or is the theory that some really HQ TTs don't "need" them?  My place picks up a good bit of dust, so I feel like it's pretty necessary, but maybe I'm missing something.

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No biz, but, I might consider appropriate offers of ridiculous levels.

I lay a clear plastic LP outer sleeve over the tonearm and one over the platter.  I don't have any dust covers on any of mine.  You'll see endless debate about them acting as sources of resonance, acting the part of vibrational antennae; so its fairly rare that you'll find them in the upper end category.

Here is another soapstoner - Its my rock table:
This is the 1955 hot-rod, Presto Recording Corp. Piouette T18.  I've completely redesigned the driveline on this one; adding a modern DC motor and controller, adding a different idler drive wheel from a Lenco, and another soapstone plinth.
It had three idler wheels on it before in its original state, which IMO, is two too many. So I now control the speed with a potentiometer mounted to the left-rear side of the plinth.  The controller dead-locks to speed with no need to adjust with testing of 6 months before I confirmed it to myself that it was dead-on stable. I can run it from one rpm (or a dead stop) to hundreds of RPM at the platter.
The tonearm is a free garage junk DIY build, called the RatsPaw, and its holder, the RatsTrap. I built it from left over scrap material from other projects.  Its a unipivot design.


Here is a test of a tables strength,….
Each of these decks weigh around 185lbs:

The one on the rack below the table is my present daily driver, from 1959, a Bogen-Presto B60 (Lenco L60 rebadge). The soapstone decks are in my storage garage while I build out my music room.
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Re: Record player/ Turntable recommendations?
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2012, 06:08:12 PM »
^^ Those are amazing!
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Re: Record player/ Turntable recommendations?
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2012, 10:17:30 AM »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-LENCO-BOGEN-Variable-Speed-Turntable-w-Empire-Cartridge-/290734529877

Here is an early L70 that sold for just over $200  :o - someone got a good deal!
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Re: Record player/ Turntable recommendations?
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2012, 11:08:52 AM »
I was watching it too.
That one looks like a light platter version. The heavy platter has a more angular drop at the edge of the platter; not as rounded as that one that just ended.  The machining of the heavy platter resulted in the more angular appearance at the outer edge of the platte, and a real sharp break between vertical platter edge and the horizontal surface. That one has more of a rounded over edge to the platter, indicating it was stamped, which is indicative of the light steel platter.  The early B60's came in either light or heavy versions. my guess; light platter.  Someone could be in for a surprise.
Another indicator:
The early heavy platters are primed on the underside of the platter in a zinc chromate primer, which is a yellow-greenish primer without a finish coating. That one has a finish coating.
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Re: Record player/ Turntable recommendations?
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2012, 11:22:40 AM »
I don't have a good image of what I'm trying to describe with this 'break", but you can see it in this one to a degree:

if you look for the chipped paint on the platter edge right above the speed control, you can see where the machining has left a hard edge right where the vertical platter edge breaks into the chamfered transition the leads up to the horizontal platter surface.  This is a heavy platter deck.
If you look at the recent eBay sale, towards the last of the images, where they get in close to the speed control, you'll not see this hard break; you'll see it is more rounded over.
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Re: Record player/ Turntable recommendations?
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2012, 02:53:34 PM »
A little late to the party, but I'd recommend going vintage/used as well. Look into the stuff that was top of the line in the 70s. (It didn't get any better after that.) Manufacturers like Thorens, Dual etc. come to mind. They might need a bit of tlc, but it's worth it.

FWIW, I started out on a Project Debut ten years ago and went through all the available upgrades incl. external power supply, acryllic platter and better cartridges before I got a Dual 704 from the late 70s about three years ago. What a difference that made. I haven't looked back since. It's just a great and very user-friendly turntable. The only thing I kept from the Project rig was the cartridge, an AT 440mla which still sounds fine btw.

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Re: Record player/ Turntable recommendations?
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2012, 04:57:50 PM »
geez, that's a lot of money represented to be inviting strangers over for a listen.
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Re: Record player/ Turntable recommendations?
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2012, 11:31:42 PM »
I'm calling it fiddly, to an extreme.  I'll take a pass.
I've never moved it off of its isolation table since it was new (in paraphrase)
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Re: Record player/ Turntable recommendations?
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2012, 01:57:42 PM »
http://raleigh.craigslist.org/ele/3126395915.html

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Bryon, can you go pick that up for me?  I'll pay you when I'm in NC in Sept.  ;D

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