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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2014, 11:45:48 AM »
I'll try a recording tonight and see how it works.

Your best bet is to set the gear up and time it.  That is my plan when I receive mine.
I did and got just under 3.5 hours.
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2014, 01:46:45 PM »
Seems to work at 16V.  I'll have my test recording on archive.org soon
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2014, 03:48:22 PM »
I'll try a recording tonight and see how it works.

Your best bet is to set the gear up and time it.  That is my plan when I receive mine.
I did and got just under 3.5 hours.

3.5 on high gain... On low you should get 20 hrs
Mics: Schoeps MK4's | Schoeps MK41's | Schoeps Mk21's
Pre-Amps: Schoeps VMS02ib | Nbox Platinum KCY
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2014, 01:41:55 AM »
I'll try a recording tonight and see how it works.

Your best bet is to set the gear up and time it.  That is my plan when I receive mine.
I did and got just under 3.5 hours.

3.5 on high gain... On low you should get 20 hrs

I know this is about my old 9v Littlebox, but it only got 6 hours on the High Power setting. Well, on Low Power, it got 18 hours, so it really is realistic to get a LOT more recording time running on Low Power. It's not like I EVER noticed my recordings suffering from losing just a couple db of headroom or whatever you're losing when you do that. It certainly was never audible. And if it means you can get 3x the recording time, then I say its definitely worth it, wouldn't you? ;)

And us Schoeps users running just caps>KCY>TB/LB, get so much recording time since the TB/LB is just powering our caps, and not bodies too. Even though I think Jon said before that the Schoeps caps on his preamps get OVER +48v powering, like they're supposed to. They get +50v or +55v or +60v I believe. I'm sure Jon can chime in and set the record straight, but I could've swore that Jon said before that the Schoeps caps running his preamps get above the regular +48v on High Power. But, I could definitely be wrong. I know that the Schoeps caps SHOULD get +60v if my memory is correct. I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that my new Schoeps VMS02ib preamp will supply the caps with +60v?!?!?! Since it IS a Schoeps preamp and all, but I have ZERO data to back that up lol ;)

If there is any way that I could check without ruining my Schoeps gear, please let me know, and when I get the VMS02ib in a couple days, I'll check and see how much voltage the caps are getting :)

Sorry if I kinda highjacked the thread. I honestly didn't mean to!!!
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Schoeps 250/0 KCY's X2 ->
Naiant +60v/Low Noise PFA's x2 ->
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Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3 ->
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2014, 04:17:26 PM »
Seems to work at 16V.  I'll have my test recording on archive.org soon
Actually got my Jeff Austin Band recording up before the test recording of Chicago Farmer

https://archive.org/details/JeffAustin2014-11-12.rodem5.flac24

Haven't worked on the setlist yet.
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2014, 07:26:55 PM »
I'm going to have to test it again with 16V. I have Leftover Salmon NYE shows that ends at 2am both days. Still trying to save for Busman BSC1 which I also hope will give me longer recording time at 48V.
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2014, 02:51:53 PM »
Polarization voltage among tiny and littleboxes is a mixed bag.  v1 littleboxes will provide 48V polarization on high and 21V on low.  v1.5 was capable of 60V (actually up to 130V, but that was never shipped in a production unit), which it would supply on either high or low.  tinybox v1.5 (the first with a high voltage rail) was 45V.  v2 and later can supply either 48V or 54V, depending on whether or not the box was also built for phantom power.  If the box is combined active + phantom, it's 48V, otherwise, 54V.  v2.2 and later will usually be 16V on low, unless a multi-mic configuration prevents that (those are rare).

PFAs will supply about 40V.

I believe the VMS supplies 58V and the CMC 60V.  Not sure why the difference, but it's not material.

Table of sensitivity (also affects self-noise and SPL handling), by polarization voltage, compared to 60V:

60V: 0dB
58V: -0.3dB
54V: -0.9dB
48V: -1.9dB
45V: -2.5dB
40V: -3.5dB
21V: -9.1dB
16V: -11.5dB

So does this mean that my current LB[KCY/OT], not sure which version it is, will lose 12db of gain when running it at LOW power? Acting like a -12db pad like you said previously? Now I understand what you meant when you said that about the -12db pad lol ;D 8) Am I losing anything else when running at LOW power with my Schoeps actives ??? Like headroom or anything serious?
Recording Gear:
Schoeps MK 4 (MP) & MK 41v (MP) Capsules ->
Schoeps 250/0 KCY's X2 ->
Naiant +60v/Low Noise PFA's x2 ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's x2 ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3 ->
SanDisk 128gb Extreme Pro & 64gb Ultra Plus SDXC-I

Portable Playback Gear:
Campfire Audio Andromeda & Dorado IEM's ->
Linum G2 SuperBax & Bax {3.5mm} | FiiO LC 2.5c {2.5mm} ->
Shanling Audio M5s | Sony NW-A35 DAP's

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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2014, 09:04:10 PM »
The box I have on my bench is a v1.5, that is the same on high or low.  You have less headroom on low, +15dBV vs. +19dBV on high.

So I have exactly the same amount of gain whether I'm on High or Low power? That's awesome news IMO ;) I was going to say, I've never noticed any change in gain going from High to Low power! So I'm losing 4db of headroom? I have never noticed anything audible in running High vs. Low gain, so I'll keep running Low power ;)

Thanks for the info Jon. I never had any idea as to which version I had, so now I know for sure that it's a v1.5 8)
Recording Gear:
Schoeps MK 4 (MP) & MK 41v (MP) Capsules ->
Schoeps 250/0 KCY's X2 ->
Naiant +60v/Low Noise PFA's x2 ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's x2 ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3 ->
SanDisk 128gb Extreme Pro & 64gb Ultra Plus SDXC-I

Portable Playback Gear:
Campfire Audio Andromeda & Dorado IEM's ->
Linum G2 SuperBax & Bax {3.5mm} | FiiO LC 2.5c {2.5mm} ->
Shanling Audio M5s | Sony NW-A35 DAP's

DAW:
Dell Inspiron 15 5570-5521 Laptop
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2014, 09:12:45 PM »
And I noticed above that you said that the v1.5 Littlebox supplies +60v on BOTH high and low power, correct? If so, that's great news too, and I feel a lot safer now knowing that I can run my KCY/OT littlebox in high or low power and have the exact same voltage to my Schoeps capsules :)
Recording Gear:
Schoeps MK 4 (MP) & MK 41v (MP) Capsules ->
Schoeps 250/0 KCY's X2 ->
Naiant +60v/Low Noise PFA's x2 ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's x2 ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3 ->
SanDisk 128gb Extreme Pro & 64gb Ultra Plus SDXC-I

Portable Playback Gear:
Campfire Audio Andromeda & Dorado IEM's ->
Linum G2 SuperBax & Bax {3.5mm} | FiiO LC 2.5c {2.5mm} ->
Shanling Audio M5s | Sony NW-A35 DAP's

DAW:
Dell Inspiron 15 5570-5521 Laptop
(Pentium i5/8gb RAM/256gb SSD)

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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2014, 10:33:51 PM »
I always get mixed up on what version lb/tb I have and the difference ways (along with pros/cons) to run so I always use high for 48 and active, low for pip
Mics - AKG ck61/ck63 (c480b & Naiant actives), SP-BMC-2
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Interconnect Cables - Dogstar (XLR), Darktrain (RCA > 1/8) (1/8 > 1/8), and Kind Kables (1/8f > 1/4)
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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2014, 12:10:50 AM »
Wowza, as usual, you are da MAN Jon ;) I now understand what you're talking about, kinda lol. Hell, I went to school for Electronics back in 2001/2002 and still don't understand all of the technical lingo. Guess I should've finished school and graduated and maybe I would understand this kind of stuff better :)
Recording Gear:
Schoeps MK 4 (MP) & MK 41v (MP) Capsules ->
Schoeps 250/0 KCY's X2 ->
Naiant +60v/Low Noise PFA's x2 ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's x2 ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3 ->
SanDisk 128gb Extreme Pro & 64gb Ultra Plus SDXC-I

Portable Playback Gear:
Campfire Audio Andromeda & Dorado IEM's ->
Linum G2 SuperBax & Bax {3.5mm} | FiiO LC 2.5c {2.5mm} ->
Shanling Audio M5s | Sony NW-A35 DAP's

DAW:
Dell Inspiron 15 5570-5521 Laptop
(Pentium i5/8gb RAM/256gb SSD)

http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/diskobean | http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/Bean420 | http://bt.etree.org/mytorrents.php

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Re: Tinybox question
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2014, 02:25:36 AM »
Phantom switches between 48V and 16V.  tinyboxes for PIP always supply 8V, irrespective of power switch setting.

Phantom runtime varies with the mics; anywhere between three and ten hours at 48V and up to 20 hours at 16V.
I have cheap Rode M5 mics now and will be getting Busman BSC1's when I have the money.

http://www.rodemic.com/microphones/m5 says P24/P48
I have the Busman BSC1s now. Going to test with those tomorrow.
Mics: Neumann KM184 & Busman BSC1
Recorders: Sound Devices MixPre-3 & MixPre-6
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