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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 5)
« Reply #75 on: October 07, 2015, 08:22:05 PM »
None of cards on updated list are available at B&H. On the original list the 32g Panasonic is discontinued and the other listed 32g cards are NG unless you want to shell out 75 for the top 32g. Epic fail in my book.

Google the model numbers.  Two of the new additions come right up at B&H:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/824139-REG/SanDisk_SDSDXPA_016G_A75_Extreme_Pro_16_GB.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/824140-REG/SanDisk_SDSDXPA_032G_A75_Extreme_Pro_32_GB.html

And then one more of the new ones is available at NewEgg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171592

The new 128GB is also in stock at Amazon, and I'd feel comfortable buying it only because it is stocked by and shipped directly from them:
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-128GB-Memory-SDSDXPA-128G-G46/dp/B00NP63Y4K

You brought up that Panasonic card a few weeks ago, and someone corrected you on that but I guess I'll do it again.  It shows up as Discontinued ONLY at B&H, but has continued to be in stock here (again, as has been said before):

http://shop.panasonic.com/cameras-and-camcorders/camera-and-camcorder-accessories/camera-accessories/sd-microsd-cards/RP-SDUC32GAK.html
http://www.adorama.com/pcsduc132ak.html

Sure, not all of the new cards added to the list are in stock with US retailers, but these are pretty new cards to market so that's to be expected.

How hard was that?

I checked B&H directly today on every new card listed as soon I saw the new list and not one showed up. Maybe they were just added today?
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 5)
« Reply #76 on: October 07, 2015, 08:50:18 PM »
None of cards on updated list are available at B&H. On the original list the 32g Panasonic is discontinued and the other listed 32g cards are NG unless you want to shell out 75 for the top 32g. Epic fail in my book.

Google the model numbers.  Two of the new additions come right up at B&H:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/824139-REG/SanDisk_SDSDXPA_016G_A75_Extreme_Pro_16_GB.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/824140-REG/SanDisk_SDSDXPA_032G_A75_Extreme_Pro_32_GB.html

And then one more of the new ones is available at NewEgg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171592

The new 128GB is also in stock at Amazon, and I'd feel comfortable buying it only because it is stocked by and shipped directly from them:
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-128GB-Memory-SDSDXPA-128G-G46/dp/B00NP63Y4K

You brought up that Panasonic card a few weeks ago, and someone corrected you on that but I guess I'll do it again.  It shows up as Discontinued ONLY at B&H, but has continued to be in stock here (again, as has been said before):

http://shop.panasonic.com/cameras-and-camcorders/camera-and-camcorder-accessories/camera-accessories/sd-microsd-cards/RP-SDUC32GAK.html
http://www.adorama.com/pcsduc132ak.html

Sure, not all of the new cards added to the list are in stock with US retailers, but these are pretty new cards to market so that's to be expected.

How hard was that?

I checked B&H directly today on every new card listed as soon I saw the new list and not one showed up. Maybe they were just added today?

It's possible that B&H just added those two, but I think you shouldn't limit yourself to only searching on B&H.  Sure, I prefer to buy from them for most photo / audio stuff, but they don't have everything and there's other good sellers out there.  NewEgg in particular has always been my go-to for computer parts, memory, etc.  I've also been fine with flash memory from Amazon as long as I've made sure it's actually stocked by them and not a third party.
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 5)
« Reply #77 on: October 07, 2015, 09:24:09 PM »
Something I just discovered with these SD card model numbers - it's possible the same exact card may be being sold under two different SKUs.  For instance, the 128GB card listed first on the new media list:

SDSDXPA-128G  Searching this part number gives you this card.

But back in Part 4 of the discussion thread where Tom linked a few cards that were looking good on testing though not yet on the list, he linked this one, which is the same model number minus the "A" and appears to be the same exact card.

SanDisk's website lists all of these Extreme Pro UHS-I Class 3 cards as SDSDXP-xxx without the "A".  So I'm wondering if that's just a second stock / model number for the same cards sent through different distributors or something.

EDIT: Here's the post I was referencing above.

Now that we know that TEAC Japan is doing all of the card testing and creating these media lists, I think I've found more evidence to support my theory on different model number variations to indicate the same exact card sold in different markets:

The newly updated 70D media list has SDSDXL-064G as a new 64GB card.  That model number search shows only Japanese and Chinese vendors.  In fact, if f you search just the beginning of the model number: "SDSDXL" you get a whole bunch of Japanese and Chinese sales links to cards in that family.  Now go back and look at Tom's earlier post I linked above, which has SDSDXN-064G as a preliminary recommendation.  That card comes up right away at B&H, Amazon, etc. and again it appears to be the same exact card.

So basically what all of this means is that we need to search for variations in the last letter of the main model number for SanDisk cards before we decide a card is not available in the US.  TEAC Japan is posting the model numbers that are available in Japan and those same cards may be sold under a slightly varied model number in the US.
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 5)
« Reply #78 on: October 08, 2015, 02:19:50 AM »
i have a question re: high capacity cards.

do you guys routinely tape in situations that require you to have more than 16 or 32 gb of space available?  honestly, i don't think i would ever encounter a situation in the live music recording world where a 128gb card would be absolutely necessary.

i guess what i am saying is, why not just purchase the cheaper 16 or 32 gb card and then format it in the unit the next time you are going to use it?  that seems like the safe option to me.

All summer long.  I attended seven music festivals this year.  A little crazy this year, but I had the time this summer.  I record multiple stages so I often will start my recorder recording first thing in the morning and stop when the music stops at night.  Sometimes the only thing I need to do during the day is change my external battery.  In other words I let the recording roll continuously for over 12 hours.  So my preference is for 128gb cards so I don't have to change the card out until I get home.  Keeps me from having to keep track of cards during the weekend.

SDXC media was one of the first features I focused in on when I bought this unit.

OK, I guess that does make sense, thanks for the detailed response.  With the media being so cheap now it does allow for a variety of options, whether you want to go with 1 128gb card or 2 64gb, 4 32gb etc...

I think this little problem of card issues should be able to be resolved with a new firmware update specifically aimed at fixing this issue, yes?
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 5)
« Reply #79 on: October 08, 2015, 08:15:18 AM »



So basically what all of this means is that we need to search for variations in the last letter of the main model number for SanDisk cards before we decide a card is not available in the US.  TEAC Japan is posting the model numbers that are available in Japan and those same cards may be sold under a slightly varied model number a recorder from a company that does their due diligence before releasing a product in the US.

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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 5)
« Reply #80 on: October 08, 2015, 08:37:54 AM »
So basically what all of this means is that we need to search for variations in the last letter of the main model number for SanDisk cards before we decide a card is not available in the US.  TEAC Japan is posting the model numbers that are available in Japan and those same cards may be sold under a slightly varied model number in the US.

And this, regardless of how you feel about tascam's engineering and/or marketing, is why running the representative off of our board is bad for everyone.

Confirmation of this insight is precisely the kind of thing a Tascam rep could do for us. But he won't now, because we scared him away.
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 5)
« Reply #81 on: October 08, 2015, 09:06:26 AM »
Tascam should be judged on the accuracy and availability of information about their products that is available to everyone who buys them. They should have accurate information on their websites, relevant to each market in which they are sold, which should be updated regularly especially for newer products that are having problems.

Not just speculation from a rep on a message board. What are the people that aren't members here supposed to do? Deal with customer service? We have seen how that's gone.

And NO ONE here treated him shabbily. We didn't "run him off". He bailed. I haven't even seen any cussing in this thread. It's been as civil as can be considering it's the internet.

I sincerely hope they get this thing fully tested because I actually still want one.....
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 5)
« Reply #82 on: October 08, 2015, 09:45:45 AM »
Goodcooker, you're missing the parts of the thread with language that included 'better business bureau', 'attorney' and 'class action suit'.
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 5)
« Reply #83 on: October 08, 2015, 10:18:40 AM »
Goodcooker, you're missing the parts of the thread with language that included 'better business bureau', 'attorney' and 'class action suit'.

Nope. Didn't miss that at all. Morst (the person who made those claims) lives in the USA where those things you mentioned are the available remedy for the consumer who feels liked they have been wronged. Asserting your rights as a consumer is not a threat or denigrating to the company or it's representatives.

I think it's a little over the top (especially the comment about taking the matter to the Attorney General) but it's well withing his rights to seek those remedies.

The claim to the BBB actually got a response from the company, could prompt people to report their problems to Tascam support and to get the company to address those problems.
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 5)
« Reply #84 on: October 08, 2015, 10:35:02 AM »
Has anyone here put up reviews of this deck on places like Amazon or B&H?  I would think a bunch of negative reviews on Amazon or B&H would prompt Tascam to act faster than a long debate  on a tapers forum.
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 5)
« Reply #85 on: October 08, 2015, 10:55:34 AM »
Morst has every right to 'assert' his rights, just as Tomou had every right to say 'cya'. The point is.. it's like Newtons third law.. for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Justify it however you'd like, but we (meaning ALL of us on this thread) no longer have the input of a Tascam rep.
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 5)
« Reply #86 on: October 08, 2015, 11:13:05 AM »
Quote from: tomuo on September 28, 2015, 12:00:04 PM
Preliminary info from card testing:

Sandisk Extreme Pro SDXC UHS-1 128GB + 64GB    class 10 U3
Sandisk Extreme SDXC UHS-1 64GB class 10 U3

For many cards we tested, we can put the card in a state where its write speed drops too low for full channel count at max FS.   Only these sandisk cards had worst case write speed that meets out needs.
Quote from: jbosco on September 28, 2015, 01:19:36 PM
Are you saying these cards are good?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1087560-REG/sandisk_sdsdxn_064g_g46_extreme_sdhc_uhs_1_u3.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/824149-REG/SanDisk_SDSDXPA_064G_A75_Extreme_Pro_64GB_SDHC_SDXC.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1082349-REG/sandisk_sdsdxp_128g_a46_128gb_extreme_pro_uhs_i.html
Quote from: tomuo on September 28, 2015, 02:18:06 PM
Yes, those are the ones.

SanDisk 64gb Extreme UHS-I U3 SDXC Memory Card (Class 10) Part # SDSDXN-064G-G46
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820173023

I just purchased the SanDisk 64gb card (Part # SDSDXN-064G-G46) direct from Newegg for $34.99 and will report back after running some 4 channel test recordings at 24/96.

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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 5)
« Reply #87 on: October 08, 2015, 11:20:20 AM »
Quote from: tomuo on September 28, 2015, 12:00:04 PM
Preliminary info from card testing:

Sandisk Extreme Pro SDXC UHS-1 128GB + 64GB    class 10 U3
Sandisk Extreme SDXC UHS-1 64GB class 10 U3

For many cards we tested, we can put the card in a state where its write speed drops too low for full channel count at max FS.   Only these sandisk cards had worst case write speed that meets out needs.
Quote from: jbosco on September 28, 2015, 01:19:36 PM
Are you saying these cards are good?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1087560-REG/sandisk_sdsdxn_064g_g46_extreme_sdhc_uhs_1_u3.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/824149-REG/SanDisk_SDSDXPA_064G_A75_Extreme_Pro_64GB_SDHC_SDXC.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1082349-REG/sandisk_sdsdxp_128g_a46_128gb_extreme_pro_uhs_i.html
Quote from: tomuo on September 28, 2015, 02:18:06 PM
Yes, those are the ones.

SanDisk 64gb Extreme UHS-I U3 SDXC Memory Card (Class 10) Part # SDSDXN-064G-G46
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820173023

I just purchased the SanDisk 64gb card (Part # SDSDXN-064G-G46) direct from Newegg for $34.99 and will report back after running some 4 channel test recordings at 24/96.


But...but...that card is not on the list... (only in a post)

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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 5)
« Reply #88 on: October 08, 2015, 11:48:00 AM »
Has anyone here put up reviews of this deck on places like Amazon or B&H?  I would think a bunch of negative reviews on Amazon or B&H would prompt Tascam to act faster than a long debate  on a tapers forum.

Morst gave the only 1 star DR-70 rating on Amazon. 86% gave either 4 or 5 stars. None of the (three) 2 star reviewers mentioned an SD card problem.
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 5)
« Reply #89 on: October 08, 2015, 12:19:01 PM »
Not having the Tascam rep on here is a loss for TS and for Tascam, and Tascam needs to take a look at how Behringer is in the process of changing their image in the pro sound market.  When they introduced the XR wireless series of mixers, they set up their own discussion forum to interact with customers.  There are challenges in controlling these mixers via WIFI with Ipads, PCS, and tablets.  But instead of sticking their heads in the sand and letting customers speculate and get the wrong answers on their own with the consequence of potentially growing resentment in the customer base, Behringer has stepped up to give specific answers and have honest discussions with their customer base.  People who wouldn't have touched a Behringer product are now customers because Behringer had the good business sense to make a good product and then educate its customers on how to effectively use their new technology. The XR12 is a $299 wireless mixer in the same price range as the 70d. 

Hopefully, the approved card list solves the problem for 70d users and this turns out to just be a minor deal. 


 

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