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Re: Portable Computer-less Archive/Transfer/Backup of Flash Recordings
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2006, 12:52:58 PM »

Question is, how long do the OTG devices take, and what's the internal battery life?


This is not an OTG drive but better, here is what I have been using to transfer my SD cards from the R-09. 40GB drive, its very fast, got on ebay for $160 with a spare battery: http://www.smartdisk.com/eWeb/smartdiskus/www/staticpages/FlashTrax1.asp It think it runs a variety of Linux.
 I use it after I fill my 2 - 2GB cards.  Because this is much cheaper than buying 20 - 2GB cards which would be $1000.  I like it better than the USB OTG drives since it can be used for a lot more like pictures from my digital camera, and a picture viewer, and as a mp3 and wav player.  It transfers fast, about 20 mins for a full 2GB card which is around 14Mb/sec.  Transfers 3 full 2GB cards on a charge and the battery is easy to swap.  Large 3.5" screen thats nice for previewing pics, screen goes off automatically while copying to save power.

Its also very easy, hit one button to copy and entire card.
 
 
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Re: Portable Computer-less Archive/Transfer/Backup of Flash Recordings
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2006, 06:19:10 PM »

Question is, how long do the OTG devices take, and what's the internal battery life?


This is not an OTG drive but better, here is what I have been using to transfer my SD cards from the R-09. 40GB drive, its very fast, got on ebay for $160 with a spare battery: http://www.smartdisk.com/eWeb/smartdiskus/www/staticpages/FlashTrax1.asp It think it runs a variety of Linux.
 I use it after I fill my 2 - 2GB cards.  Because this is much cheaper than buying 20 - 2GB cards which would be $1000.  I like it better than the USB OTG drives since it can be used for a lot more like pictures from my digital camera, and a picture viewer, and as a mp3 and wav player.  It transfers fast, about 20 mins for a full 2GB card which is around 14Mb/sec.  Transfers 3 full 2GB cards on a charge and the battery is easy to swap.  Large 3.5" screen thats nice for previewing pics, screen goes off automatically while copying to save power.

Its also very easy, hit one button to copy and entire card.

FlashTrax seems a very useful, practical, and versatile device for doing more than just backup of CF with ability to play and output most media files, and claims to play some types(?) of .wav files.

I think for at least for USA customers not finding FlashTax on eBAY, most will find this model discontinued, and now replaced with more featured FlashTrax XT (no playing ability for .wav?) at: http://www.smartdisk.com/eWeb/smartdiskus/www/staticpages/FlashtraxXT.asp

So for about the cost of optical EZDigiMagic device, FlashTrax XTseems a great backup portable option for at least CF flash.

Same Smartdisk manufacture also offers less costly/featured backup PhotoBank device with choices of storage capacity, and more versatile (built in reader for most all types of flash), but with less convenient internal battery at: http://www.smartdisk.com/eWeb/smartdiskus/www/staticpages/PhotoBank.aspe

While I do NOT lose sleep over issues of backup, ever since the loss of achival quality direct to DAT tape recorders, I have wondered about having viable backup for flash and HD based recordings.  It now seems obvious there's two different requirements for remote data transfers with these new decks. 

One is the need to dump flash for renewed recording storage.  For this, a single copy transfer is all that's required until returning to home base for archival options, and any of the portable HD flash readers will do this with ease and convenience.  HD drive decks mostly do not require unloading while in the field.

Second is requirement for safety backup where even HD decks require transfer for two copy security of important resources.

For some time, part of me wishes I purchased something like the FlashTrax (XT) with all those really cool features, like smaller carrying size, longer running battery, and likely 2X faster transfer.  And I think most of us would choose this as best type to carry around.

On the other hand, at least for professionals, simple transfer to single EFH (eventually-f-f-f-fail harddrive) is NOT backup, and may not provide the needed security for storing the ONLY COPY of NOT replaceable recordings.  It does seem the really important files worth keeping require eventual transfer to failsafe raid type HD disk array, or archival quality (maybe duplicate; gold or what???) optical disc. 

Such as technology is right now, don't feel too badly having the portable optical burner with owning a flash deck, as a burner provides true archive backup/verification ability without computer assist at any location (on battery/AC adapter) using very simple one/two step process. 

Also consider, at least for audio, internal hard drive recorders have easier backup advantages over CF storage.  Deck's disc capacity is more likely large enough that ALL REMOTELY MADE RECORDINGS are stored inside the deck until project's end (the #1 everything copy), AND wondered if #2 copy (a true BACKUP) from deck to (OTG types) HD storage is technically possible.  Obviously, at least the R-4 can backup user selectable HD files to CF flash already, and this creates a true secured backup.  Question is, are there any HD devices on the market today(?) with ability to store files from these type decks directly? .

In other words, is it now possible to directly connect a portable hard drive backup device to decks like R-4 and SD722/744T?

This seems a worthy feature to insist having, makes the expense, size, and powering issue with these type decks more worth the extra effort for location recording requiring backup routines.

Mostly we have researched and found practical flash transfer devices, and now look for something for doing direct deck's internal HD-to-external backup.

Anybody know if some HD deck models feature direct backup connectivity (NOT to flash card; no computer) and/or suitable HD (even optical) storage models that function linked together? 
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Re: Portable Computer-less Archive/Transfer/Backup of Flash Recordings
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2006, 06:28:47 PM »
In other words, is it now possible to directly connect a portable hard drive backup device to decks like R-4 and SD722/744T?
 

You can do it with the R-4 Pro.

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Re: Portable Computer-less Archive/Transfer/Backup of Flash Recordings
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2006, 07:18:21 PM »
In other words, is it now possible to directly connect a portable hard drive backup device to decks like R-4 and SD722/744T?
 

You can do it with the R-4 Pro.

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the 722/744t are having a new firmware release soon in the 2.xx firmwares that allows firewire/HDD mirroring and faster firewire speeds :) the HDD mirroring is sweet cause you can hook up an external firewire HD and have extended runtimes as long as you have battery power and also is nice cause you have an instant backup on a seperate hd, which is kinda like a live raid setup ;D

these SD 7xx devices are just getting better and better w/ firmwares :)
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Re: Portable Computer-less Archive/Transfer/Backup of Flash Recordings
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2006, 07:22:39 PM »
i need to buy a 722.


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Re: Portable Computer-less Archive/Transfer/Backup of Flash Recordings
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2006, 07:54:56 PM »
i need to buy a 722.

yes you do :)
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Re: Portable Computer-less Archive/Transfer/Backup of Flash Recordings
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2006, 09:27:04 PM »
haha +t beaner


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Re: Portable Computer-less Archive/Transfer/Backup of Flash Recordings
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2006, 05:08:40 PM »
There really are all sorts of choices for field backup:

-- simple battery powered hard drive with flash memory card slot

-- Simple battery powered DVD burner with flash card slot

-- On-The-Go drive that you can hook directly to your recorder via USB

-- Portable music player that can accept transfers from a flash card reader

-- Drive with LCD screen that can be used to review photos, including RAW formats

-- Drive with big LCD so you can watch movies as well as make flash card backups

-- Ultra-portable PC with USB port for flash card reader

-- Full size laptop, with or without DVD burner

Any of these could be the best choice, depending on your circumstances and needs.

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Re: Portable Computer-less Archive/Transfer/Backup of Flash Recordings
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2006, 05:38:13 PM »
There really are all sorts of choices for field backup:

-- simple battery powered hard drive with flash memory card slot

-- Simple battery powered DVD burner with flash card slot

-- On-The-Go drive that you can hook directly to your recorder via USB

-- Portable music player that can accept transfers from a flash card reader

-- Drive with LCD screen that can be used to review photos, including RAW formats

-- Drive with big LCD so you can watch movies as well as make flash card backups

-- Ultra-portable PC with USB port for flash card reader

-- Full size laptop, with or without DVD burner

Any of these could be the best choice, depending on your circumstances and needs.

Flintstone

As ONLY A FEW users so far have posted actual experience using optical disc and hard drive flash backup devices, it may be at least interesting, and even useful to use this thread to post continued flash dump/backup and direct harddrive deck-to-harddrive backup experiences.  Devices that copy flash should work as advertised and successful experiences might well be posted.  Sometimes personal experience shows a model not reliable or working as expected and this might be also good know about.

In other words, is it now possible to directly connect a portable hard drive backup device to decks like R-4 and SD722/744T?
 

You can do it with the R-4 Pro.

JAson

the 722/744t are having a new firmware release soon in the 2.xx firmwares that allows firewire/HDD mirroring and faster firewire speeds :) the HDD mirroring is sweet cause you can hook up an external firewire HD and have extended runtimes as long as you have battery power and also is nice cause you have an instant backup on a seperate hd, which is kinda like a live raid setup ;D

these SD 7xx devices are just getting better and better w/ firmwares :)

Hard drive decks with ability for direct connectivity to external storage should be tested to confirm actual working as expected.  This experience is useful for those already using these decks now or planning to purchase.  Also for the manufacturers to know a particular deck model is performing direct connection to external harddisk in a timely and consistently reliable manner with all known or just some harddrives. 

Results may vary with make/model type of external drive used with particular deck model, and posted details of good, bad, and ugly experiences are valued. 

In other words, I hope we update this thread occassionally with new experiences so to be a continuing resource on the topic.
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Re: Portable Computer-less Archive/Transfer/Backup of Flash Recordings
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2006, 09:02:47 PM »
Good idea for others to post actual experiences.  It would help if that includes the time to backup since some of the devices listed at the beginning of this thread were very slow on the spec sheet (4Mb/s) and many don't go as fast as the specs depending upon the card being used.

Here is a $9 adapter I use with my Flashtrax so that it works with my SD cards and CF cards:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7534952463

And my 20 minute time for a 2GB SD card was for the standard (slower and recommended for R-09) Sandisk card.
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Re: Portable Computer-less Archive/Transfer/Backup of Flash Recordings
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2006, 09:13:26 PM »
if mi was using cf cards i wouldnt settle for anything less than 16/MB/sec in the filed, that way you can transfer from CF>HD ala the eatsgera compactdrive and still have plenty of time to format the CF card and get a beer/take a piss, nothing would be worse than having one 4GB CF CArd and having a short setbreak and the band comes back on wheil your transferring the card or formatting it

i would buy ONE 45x or faster CF CArd and the eastgear 70x compactdrive, thats the one that transfers at 16/MB/sec and be set, even for festies, the price of a god cf card is still at around 200 dollars for a sandisc or a kingston, and thats the price for those eastgear compactdrives, you can put in any size HD you want w/ in reason and be ready to go, plus the eastgear compactdrives can transfer up to 50GB of data on one set of rechargeable AA's, sop you cant beat that w/ a stick

i might get one of those cheapie PQI 8GB cf cards to run as a backup for the 722 when im not doing festies, or just even run that to save battery power for my 722,a nd i could transfer from 722 CF card>722 HD inbetween sets
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Re: Portable Computer-less Archive/Transfer/Backup of Flash Recordings
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2006, 10:45:34 PM »
Like guysonic says, we really should distinguish between

1. a system that makes a copy of recorded material so you
can erase and re-use the recording medium, and

2. a system that makes a second copy for backup.

Three examples of approach #2 are
722 with hard disc and Compactflash;
Nagra V with 2 hard discs; and
Zaxcom Deva II with hard disc and DVD-RAM

With the declining  cost of Compactflash and Secure Digital
cards,  we really don't need #1 for a day's recording any more.
Just carry a bunch of flash cards. Copy them to computer
at the end of the day.

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Re: Portable Computer-less Archive/Transfer/Backup of Flash Recordings
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2006, 10:46:28 PM »
I think you are still getting your bits and bytes confused.  A 16Mb (bit)/sec drive will take about 40 minutes to transfer a 4GB (bytes) card, I know since I do it with my Flashtrax which is spec about the same for speed as the best OTG drives.
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Re: Portable Computer-less Archive/Transfer/Backup of Flash Recordings
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2006, 10:52:33 PM »
I think you are still getting your bits and bytes confused.  A 16Mb (bit)/sec drive will take about 40 minutes to transfer a 4GB (bytes) card, I know since I do it with my Flashtrax which is spec about the same for speed as the best OTG drives.

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Recording Gear:
Schoeps MK 4 (MP) & MK 41v (MP) Capsules ->
Schoeps 250/0 KCY's X2 ->
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DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's x2 ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3 ->
SanDisk 128gb Extreme Pro & 64gb Ultra Plus SDXC-I

Portable Playback Gear:
Campfire Audio Andromeda & Dorado IEM's ->
Linum G2 SuperBax & Bax {3.5mm} | FiiO LC 2.5c {2.5mm} ->
Shanling Audio M5s | Sony NW-A35 DAP's

DAW:
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Re: Portable Computer-less Archive/Transfer/Backup of Flash Recordings
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2006, 10:02:57 AM »
I think you are still getting your bits and bytes confused.  A 16Mb (bit)/sec drive will take about 40 minutes to transfer a 4GB (bytes) card, I know since I do it with my Flashtrax which is spec about the same for speed as the best OTG drives.
The HyperDrive HD80 promises 16MB/s, link. Like Leonard said, we need someone to actually use one of these things and report back on actual performance.
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