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Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
« Reply #165 on: July 06, 2009, 09:27:41 PM »
Definitely some pre set up work needs to be done.  Is 12 o'clock on the TS-2  = to  the same relative settings on the other pres?  Not sure how one would calibrate that...

For my ears I think making volume adjustments in playback, using some sort of VU indication to try and match output levels, would hopefully result in bringing out any noticeable differences between the mics and pre amps.

At this point I'm sure we're open to suggestions as to practical methods to achieve our ends.  After all, we're just a few geeks, not engineers.
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Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
« Reply #166 on: July 06, 2009, 09:51:33 PM »
At this point I'm sure we're open to suggestions as to practical methods to achieve our ends.  After all, we're just a few geeks, not engineers.
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Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
« Reply #167 on: July 06, 2009, 10:07:24 PM »
So David have you parked you car on it yet?   :o

or are you going to skip that test?
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Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
« Reply #168 on: July 07, 2009, 01:51:34 PM »
All good, thanks.

As to best presentation method... I see a potential for what might become an overwhelming matrix of comparison options.  I'm torn between trying to simply A-B-C the pre amp using a single mic and trying to see how a number of mics may or may not change character matched with the TS-2. Establishing a test method to satisfy both goals would generate a lot of data to sort out and present.

Would you find that over kill?  Should we focus on one benchmark mic and let the pre amp flavors bloom?

Still waiting to get organized on our end so we have time.  I think Dave is planing on running at a downtown street dance this weekend so he'll prolly have some preliminary comments soon.
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Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
« Reply #169 on: July 11, 2009, 08:53:54 AM »
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Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
« Reply #170 on: July 12, 2009, 02:22:17 AM »
I'll be running this same rig in 4 days for Gov't Mule, so what the hay...  Take it for what it is, definitely not an audiophile moment, just a concert memory...

The Black Crowes 07/10/09 - Basilica Block Party - Minneapolis, MN       

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07/10/09
Basilica Block Party
Minneapolis, MN


Source:  Microtech Gefell m200 > van den Hul silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48

Location: - 11' stand - DFC - Directly behind the SBD

Mic Config: DIN (90 degrees 20 cm)

Transfer: CF > USB 2.0 > PC


Volume, Fades, EQ & Resample to 44.1Hz Soundforge 9.0
Dither to 16 bits Izotope Ozone 3 MBIT+
Tracks Split with CD Wave Editor > FLAC Frontend

taped & transferred by David Lawrence

 
Disc 1:

01. Sting Me
02. Thick N' Thin
03. Goodbye Daughters Of The Revolution
04. Good Friday ->
05. Wiser Time
06. I Ain't Hiding
07. Downtown Money Waster ->
08. Thorn In My Pride


Disc 2:

01. Poor Elijah - Tribute To Johnson (Medley)
02. Hard To Handle
03. Remedy




The not so good news, it was VERY, VERY windy for the first 1/3 of the show, there are definitely wind phasing issues on the recording. 

I used the "big phat shure windscreens" to tame the wind howl, but the phasing issues are what they are.

And I should mention again that what followed was more wind, rain, more wind, rain, chatty asshats, more wind, rain, chatty asshats...  You get the picture.  It wasn't supposed to rain so there was no umbrella in my kit.  I started to abort a few times but toughed it out, the mics remained dry, the windscreens did not.

The recording is not a "throw away" but it is definitely not my finest taping hour.  Take it for what it is and enjoy a nice, albeit short show.

FWIW: The sound gets dialed in and the wind dies down a bit after the first 3-4 songs. I wish that I would have been able to set up fob but that wasn't possible in this case...



Thanks to The Black Crowes for allowing us to tape their performances and to share the recordings.
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Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
« Reply #171 on: July 12, 2009, 11:41:40 AM »
D, did FF indicate that the other 7 boxes are ready to ship?  Odd that no one who might be on that short list has spoken up yet.

Thanks Dave for that dope slap... but at the core of what I blathered about is, where are the first seven people on the list in this discussion?  Are they not TS'rs?  That seems like the only reason this is banter is passing them by. 



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i am on the short list. i have the email history w/ FF saved and documented to prove it. however, i see no reason to distract nor stain this thread any further. i am no longer interested in purchasing a TS-2 based on lack of communication. however, the product is now in the field and with TS members and that is a good thing...thank you FF for bringing this product to fruition.

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Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
« Reply #172 on: July 12, 2009, 04:26:21 PM »
Rich, thanks for sharing.  Not sure you need to prove anything really, I was just curious if the other seven were as excited as Dactylus is over the prospect of running this box.    ;)

If you've moved on or changed your attitude about FF in general, I don't see any need to justify or substantiate that at all.  That wasn't what was behind my question. 

If I recall he limited the first waiting list to 50 didn't he and I know I got in past his cut off posting.  If I get any consideration for one of these seven I'm going to be really surprised.  I'm just wondering what the "early adopters" are thinking now is all.  One way or the other, good bad or indifferent.

Hopefully the testing that we're inching towards could help everyone out somehow.

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Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
« Reply #173 on: July 12, 2009, 09:53:17 PM »
no worries or insult shouldered.

i just wanna hear how the dam thing sounds.

dactylus, thank you for sharing the bcrowes show...cant wait to hear a show minus mother nature in a bad mood. one more thing, take a picture of when u can. i dig the LED's!

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Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
« Reply #174 on: July 13, 2009, 06:45:09 AM »
no worries or insult shouldered.

i just wanna hear how the dam thing sounds.

dactylus, thank you for sharing the bcrowes show...cant wait to hear a show minus mother nature in a bad mood. one more thing, take a picture of when u can. i dig the LED's!

rich

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Will do.  Hopefully the Gov't Mule show in 2 days will be the first real test...

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Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
« Reply #175 on: July 19, 2009, 11:27:07 AM »
Second show for the TS-2.  Give it a whirl.


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Gov't Mule,
July 15, 2009
Weesner Family Amphitheater
Minnesota Zoo
Apple Valley, MN

Source:  Microtech Gefell M200 > van den Hul silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48

Location: - DFC - 9' - clamped to SBD scaffolding
Mic Config: DIN (90 degrees 20 cm)
Transfer: CF > USB 2.0 > PC

Peak normalize to -1dB, Fades, EQ & Resample to 44.1Hz Soundforge 9.0
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taped & transferred by David Lawrence


Disc 1 - Set 1:

01. Soulshine
02. She Said She Said > Beatles Riff Jam > She Said She Said
03. Wandering Child
04. Larger Than Life > If 6 was 9 > Larger Than Life
05. Game Face
06. No Need To Suffer
07. When Doves Cry > Beautifully Broken > When Doves Cry > Beautifully Broken


Disc 2 - Set 2:

01. I'll Be The One
02. Banks Of The Deep End
03. Trampled Under Foot
04. Fallen Down
05. Gimme Shelter > The Other One > Drum Solo
06. Kind Of Bird
07. 30 Days In The Hole
08. crowd
Encore:
09. Into The Mystic > Soulshine (reprise)




My only disclaimer is that because of the windy conditions I was forced into having to run the "phat shure" windscreens again that night to allay my wind rumble paranoia...  Better safe than sorry I guess.

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Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
« Reply #176 on: July 19, 2009, 02:47:56 PM »
I see EQ in the chain...  what adjustments were made?
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Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
« Reply #177 on: July 19, 2009, 03:27:48 PM »
I see EQ in the chain...  what adjustments were made?

The only adjustment not detailed was to "peak" normalize to -1dB.

Absolutely No EQ was made - Sorry, my mistake in the text file.
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Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
« Reply #178 on: July 19, 2009, 04:03:11 PM »

Hopefully the third TS-2 run will be Tuesday night, Sonic Youth, using the new JZ BT-201 mics for the first time... 

Many thanks for the mics to JZ Mics and Dirk of Big Purple Dog Productions.

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Re: New TS-2 Preamp ... now (in low gear) in its third trimester
« Reply #179 on: July 25, 2009, 01:31:55 PM »

Gov't Mule,
July 15, 2009

Source:  Microtech Gefell M200 > van den Hul silver > FiveFish TS-2 (analog) > Darktrain Silver > sd722 @ 24/48


This sounds very good to my ears....... In fact, I Dl'd this the other day and listened but looked over the TS-S in the sig. path..... I thought to myself "wow this sounds really good!...... is this really only m200 >722?"...... Then I gave the source info another look and noticed the TS-2 in there. :) So I figured I would check in and give some feedback. To me the TS-2 sounds very comparable to a V2 or V3. I would love to hear some more tapes with your  m200 > TS-2 > 722 setup.
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