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Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« on: March 06, 2009, 10:57:25 PM »
Hi, I'm new here and just thought i would see if any of you guys are using Canon Hv20's or 30's?  I got a HV20 last year for Xmas, it is my first camcorder and now i am completely hooked!  I have been spending waaay too much time and a lot of money on gear for it.  I originally got it to film my daughter, then i got to thinking, why not film some bands?  I go to a lot of music festivals during the summer due to my side job which is glassblowing,  i thought it would be awesome to start filming. 

Right now for for camera gear i have a cheapo tripod, which i plan on upgrading real soon.  I also have a JAG35 Pro DOF adapter as well as a Canon wide angle lens.  For mics I currently have a Canon DM50 which is ran off the hot shoe and is shotgun and stereo.  I haven't tried using this for bands yet but am curious on how it will do.  I also have a Rode Videomic on the way, this is just a mono shotgun mic but can be run externally.  I am thinking about getting rid of the DM50 and upgrading to some other mics which is how i stumbled on this forum.

I'm not really sure what to do, I  don't really have extra cash to buy a separate recorder and mics, so i was thinking i would just use the mics i have and try to hook up with a taper with some nice gear and see if i could find someone to trade video for sound.  I guess my other option would be to buy some mics and a Juicedlink or Beachtek preamp and run some external mics to the camera, the main problem i see with that is most tapers have their mic stands back by the soundboard, i may want be closer to film and don't think it would be too cool have a wire running from my camera from there. 

What do you guys think?  Anyone else here recording video and sound like this?

Anyone else on here from the midwest?  I frequent shows in Minnesota, Iowa, and Illinois.  I can't wait till summer!!  I was just told the company i work for is closing so i will be blowing glass and hitting shows all summer!!
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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2009, 02:52:42 PM »
yeah i use the hv30 mostly for porno, you will need to maybe get the beachteck fro XLR adapters so that you can have mics that can handle SPLs.


Its best to run a seperate rig for audio that is what i do but again i see you do have a  price range. But if you truly want some good sound seperate rig might be worth the money.

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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2009, 09:05:17 PM »
yeah i use the hv30 mostly for porno, you will need to maybe get the beachteck fro XLR adapters so that you can have mics that can handle SPLs.


Its best to run a seperate rig for audio that is what i do but again i see you do have a  price range. But if you truly want some good sound seperate rig might be worth the money.

Porn huh? I just found out the place i work for is closing, looking for any new actors?? ahahaha
That said I won't be buying any new toys for awhile, I'll probably just try to hook up with a taper and see if they would want to work out a deal.  I hate trying to sync up video with audio, but for god sound it might be worth the hassle.

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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2009, 11:45:26 PM »
just picked up a hv20.  can anyone quickly school me on what settings i should be sticking with?  particularly shutter priority/aperture priority/cinemode?  also extra batteries, any recommendations?


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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2009, 01:35:22 AM »
Samples OGTFO.   >:D


yeah i use the hv30 mostly for porno, you will need to maybe get the beachteck fro XLR adapters so that you can have mics that can handle SPLs.


Its best to run a seperate rig for audio that is what i do but again i see you do have a  price range. But if you truly want some good sound seperate rig might be worth the money.

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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2009, 03:31:36 PM »
just picked up a hv20.  can anyone quickly school me on what settings i should be sticking with?  particularly shutter priority/aperture priority/cinemode?  also extra batteries, any recommendations?



I recently bought an HV20 and have only used it for a couple shows.  I used cinemode and was very pleased with the results.  I haven't really had time to experiment with many other settings.  A couple things I know for sure; the internal mics sound bad and the camera is very sensitive to vibrations, so be prepared with some padding if you're going to be on a wooden floor.
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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2009, 11:23:01 PM »
Anyone using a Rode Stereo Mic, I'm thinking about selling my Canon DM-50 and Rode Video Mic to get one.  It is a Stereo X/Y condenser mic and seems like it would be the best bang for my buck.

As far as video settings go, i would either use either cinemode or spotlight mode, i believe cinemode will give you better results with low-light conditions just be sure to lock the gain.  Spotlight mode automatically locks the gain so you don't have to worry about locking yourself, but it does not allow for WB adjustment.

There are a few ppl over at hv20 dot com trying to hack the HV20/30 to make it fully manual which is very exciting!
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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2009, 11:34:20 PM »
Anyone using a Rode Stereo Mic, I'm thinking about selling my Canon DM-50 and Rode Video Mic to get one.  It is a Stereo X/Y condenser mic and seems like it would be the best bang for my buck.

As far as video settings go, i would either use either cinemode or spotlight mode, i believe cinemode will give you better results with low-light conditions just be sure to lock the gain.  Spotlight mode automatically locks the gain so you don't have to worry about locking yourself, but it does not allow for WB adjustment.

There are a few ppl over at hv20 dot com trying to hack the HV20/30 to make it fully manual which is very exciting!

I hear the Rode Mic is good but not as far as concerts. Weddings yes. Concert not so.  I know Audio technic makes a very good mic, but it is a long shotgun and i think it might get in the shot being so long.  I dont think even the Rode stereo mic can handle SPL's decently.  Usually setting for concerts can be tricky due to changing lights, and especially red lights which the camera does not like very well, so you might have to take an active approach as the visuals change during a concert you might have to be adjusting the shutter as you go.  You can keep it in " normal" HDV mode for capture under " program" and use the function button to add or subtract shutter.

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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2009, 08:47:19 AM »
Rode Stereo Videomic can handle extremly high SLP easily, never get overloaded for me. You can view few samples at my youtube page:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSq7KOy_i04
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The sound wasn't perfect there by itself, but the mic picked up everything I need nicely (and rejected most of the unwanted crowd noise from behind). I also used it on silent acoustic concerts with CA preamp - it came out very well too.

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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2009, 09:02:52 PM »
BTW, you shouldn't be scared or shy away from externally synching audio and video.  I do it all the time for the concert vids that I shoot.  It's quite easy to do with the right software.  If you're shooting a show that you know will have tapers present, getting a copy of their recording would be the way to go because there's nothing IMHO that spoils a good video quicker than shoddy audio.

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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2009, 10:34:07 PM »
Thanks for the advice man,  I'm really looking forward to filming some bands this summer outdoors!  I filmed a local cover band last night at a bar and, MAN was that a total bitch!  The lighting was HORRIBLE, basically most of the footage was wither too dark or looked too grainy after adjusting the exposure. There was just no happy medium at all.

I have decided to give up on getting good audio and am leaving that to the the pros, that said I am going to look for another HV20 to use as a B-Roll. 


BTW, you shouldn't be scared or shy away from externally synching audio and video.  I do it all the time for the concert vids that I shoot.  It's quite easy to do with the right software.  If you're shooting a show that you know will have tapers present, getting a copy of their recording would be the way to go because there's nothing IMHO that spoils a good video quicker than shoddy audio.
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2009, 08:12:04 AM »
I have decided to give up on getting good audio and am leaving that to the the pros, that said I am going to look for another HV20 to use as a B-Roll. 

Nice!  If you have two camera's, that's even better.  I've got two low-def Sony PC-100s.  What I like to do is setup on two tripods and have the two cameras rolling, each camera with a different perspective of the stage.  Then what you do is just sorta wander between each camera during the show to get your raw footage.  However, the key is that whenever you leave one of the cameras unattended, before you leave it, you pan back so that camera is the camera that's got the whole stage in view.  This way the unattended camera won't be shooting a scene with nothing in it because say you're focused in on the the guitar player and he wanders to another part of the stage.  Obviously, the camera that you're operating is actively zooming and panning the action, getting close-ups of solo's, keying in on the actual music that's happening as it's being played.  With this raw footage shot using this technique, mixing the video in post with Vegas is the most important thing, but you'll always have two scene's to choose from.  Makes for a really dynamic video that's never boring or tiring to watch, like the static shot single cam vids are.  The guys that are REALLY good also will use the fade function of Vegas where you mix two scenes together at appropriate spots of the video...using a really slow fade say during a solo where one camera is spotlighting on the guitar and the other is maybe panned back.  You know what I'm talking about...where there are two video's on the screen at one time and one slowly fades in as the other slowly fades out.  Cool!

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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2009, 10:09:15 PM »
What programs are you guys using to edit the film? I just purchased a hv30 and went out and filmed a band trying to edit the video I have pinnacle 9.3 that I used to use for my other film projects I shot with my older canon elura50 so Im guessing I have to get a newer program that handles HD. My older camera I was able to capture the video in pinnacle in .avi format. looks as though now I have to capture in mpeg format is mpeg format a compressed format compared to .avi...  any help would be great..

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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2009, 12:49:49 PM »
I capture in Ulead Video Studio and it captures in mpeg format for HDV (around 12gb per 60min).

I filmed Metallica recently with my new HV20 and it came out excellent. It was stealth but I'm happy with the results. I now can't wait until the summer when I'll film some bands with permission and tripod!!

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Nice video.  Did you record it in 24fps or 60i?

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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2009, 02:58:25 PM »
I'm using a PAL cam, so recorded in 25fps (Progressive). Manual exposure and manual focus.

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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2009, 11:01:41 AM »
I have decided to give up on getting good audio and am leaving that to the the pros, that said I am going to look for another HV20 to use as a B-Roll. 

Nice!  If you have two camera's, that's even better.  I've got two low-def Sony PC-100s.  What I like to do is setup on two tripods and have the two cameras rolling, each camera with a different perspective of the stage.  Then what you do is just sorta wander between each camera during the show to get your raw footage.  However, the key is that whenever you leave one of the cameras unattended, before you leave it, you pan back so that camera is the camera that's got the whole stage in view.  This way the unattended camera won't be shooting a scene with nothing in it because say you're focused in on the the guitar player and he wanders to another part of the stage.  Obviously, the camera that you're operating is actively zooming and panning the action, getting close-ups of solo's, keying in on the actual music that's happening as it's being played.  With this raw footage shot using this technique, mixing the video in post with Vegas is the most important thing, but you'll always have two scene's to choose from.  Makes for a really dynamic video that's never boring or tiring to watch, like the static shot single cam vids are.  The guys that are REALLY good also will use the fade function of Vegas where you mix two scenes together at appropriate spots of the video...using a really slow fade say during a solo where one camera is spotlighting on the guitar and the other is maybe panned back.  You know what I'm talking about...where there are two video's on the screen at one time and one slowly fades in as the other slowly fades out.  Cool!

Instead of two different places I just have the two cameras in one spot.  I leave one on the whole stage as a static shot and the other camera I pan and zoom with.  It may not give as much perspective but it is a lot less hassle than setting up in two different areas if I'm the only one running the cameras.  I usually set up behind the raised soundboard area and run mics from there as well.

I have one HV20 and one HV30 and have been using them since the beginning of the year.  I'm just now getting around to capturing some of the footage and have run into a lot of hassles.  I can capture the footage in DVR-MS, M2T and M2V formats but not mpeg or avi.  Mpeg and AVI seem to be universal while these other formats aren't.  What programs are you using to capture AVI or MPEG files from your cams?  I found a program (m2v converter) that will convert the files but am looking to avoid the extra step.
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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2009, 12:04:52 PM »
I have decided to give up on getting good audio and am leaving that to the the pros, that said I am going to look for another HV20 to use as a B-Roll. 

Nice!  If you have two camera's, that's even better.  I've got two low-def Sony PC-100s.  What I like to do is setup on two tripods and have the two cameras rolling, each camera with a different perspective of the stage.  Then what you do is just sorta wander between each camera during the show to get your raw footage.  However, the key is that whenever you leave one of the cameras unattended, before you leave it, you pan back so that camera is the camera that's got the whole stage in view.  This way the unattended camera won't be shooting a scene with nothing in it because say you're focused in on the the guitar player and he wanders to another part of the stage.  Obviously, the camera that you're operating is actively zooming and panning the action, getting close-ups of solo's, keying in on the actual music that's happening as it's being played.  With this raw footage shot using this technique, mixing the video in post with Vegas is the most important thing, but you'll always have two scene's to choose from.  Makes for a really dynamic video that's never boring or tiring to watch, like the static shot single cam vids are.  The guys that are REALLY good also will use the fade function of Vegas where you mix two scenes together at appropriate spots of the video...using a really slow fade say during a solo where one camera is spotlighting on the guitar and the other is maybe panned back.  You know what I'm talking about...where there are two video's on the screen at one time and one slowly fades in as the other slowly fades out.  Cool!

Instead of two different places I just have the two cameras in one spot.  I leave one on the whole stage as a static shot and the other camera I pan and zoom with.  It may not give as much perspective but it is a lot less hassle than setting up in two different areas if I'm the only one running the cameras.  I usually set up behind the raised soundboard area and run mics from there as well.

I have one HV20 and one HV30 and have been using them since the beginning of the year.  I'm just now getting around to capturing some of the footage and have run into a lot of hassles.  I can capture the footage in DVR-MS, M2T and M2V formats but not mpeg or avi.  Mpeg and AVI seem to be universal while these other formats aren't.  What programs are you using to capture AVI or MPEG files from your cams?  I found a program (m2v converter) that will convert the files but am looking to avoid the extra step.
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2009, 12:36:00 PM »
I can't get the M2T files to work with Vegas Movie Studio 8.0 or Pinnacle Studio Ultimate Version 12.  I can capture M2V files with the Pinnacle SUV12 software and author the footage with it, but I need to be able to capture the footage in a format that others can use it without hassle, and it seems like the M2T and M2V files cause a lot of hassles but the mpeg and avi files don't.

Has anyone used software to do these conversions?  The "Ultimate Video Converter" software looks like it would work but I'm not sure if this conversion causes any loss in quality.

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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2009, 01:11:23 PM »
I wouldn't trust any conversions, best to try capture right in one go.

I've always captured HDV using Ulead Video Studio 10. This started with my old Sony HDR-HC5 cam and I filmed around 7 shows with that and captured to MPEG-2 every time. I only recently got rid of that cam and purchased my Canon HV20 in its place. First show I filmed I decided to try capture with my new program Sony Vegas. It didn't capture to mpeg-2 but to M2T files instead. At first I wondered what the hell M2T was but after some some searching I found it's just a container of Mpeg2 files. So I captured to M2T and then edited my footage and all seemed fine until I tried to render the final video. It kept getting stuck on 96% every time in the exact same place. At first I thought it could be a dropped frame or something but on the tape it was clean and when I captured it said no frames were dropped.

So after more research I found a program called HDVSplit and decided to get my tapes back out and capture a 2nd time... Once again it captured to M2T but I captured fully anyway to see if I could now render my video. It got stuck in the exact frame once again and at 96%.

I said screw that and went back to what I know works - ULEAD 10. I captured a 3rd time, this time in proper mpeg-2 format and then rendered my video and it worked first time. For some reason the M2T format was fucking up Vegas somehow and I think I'll just stick to using Ulead to capture and only using Vegas to edit in future.
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2009, 12:29:39 PM »
@fanofthemule,   are you wanting to use standard def or keep it HDV?If HDV than you will have m2t files.How will you deliver ?Bluray?I don't know off hand if movie studio handles hdv or not it should though.Mostly depends on your processor,you need 2.6ghz or better.What i would recommend is capture useing HDVsplit or the internal vegas capture.Render those m2t files to standard def widescreen,do all your edits and than replace the standard def with original m2t files.There are extra steps with HDV footage and you need a very fast computer.

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« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2009, 10:10:14 PM »
most definitely!  although i got into the digi cam world for one purpose: my trip last year.  I love the HV20, but wished i used it more.
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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2009, 11:29:15 PM »
Anyone using a zoom lens with the HV30?  I'd like to get one to increase the optical zoom.  I've done some searching around at various websites, but haven't found much.
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« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2009, 11:49:51 AM »
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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2009, 01:24:17 PM »
I've found the hv30 to be extremely sensitive to lound sound vibrations,making the picture vibrate.Anyone else notice this.Great little cam though with one touch of the joystick up comes the mini menu for exposure and manual audio control.In the menu there is also a mic attenuator.The color is amazing in good lighting.

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« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2009, 03:50:18 PM »
How much attenuation does it provide?
Would it attenuate enough for something like rock shows using an external like 4061s?

My other cam, still had to run something in between the mics and cam.
Would be great if it could eliminate one more thing to carry around.
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« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2009, 10:01:55 PM »
Anyone using a zoom lens with the HV30?  I'd like to get one to increase the optical zoom.  I've done some searching around at various websites, but haven't found much.

I bought this one and it is a beast, http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/485491-REG/Canon_2071B001_TL_H43_43mm_1_7x_Telephoto.html.  At least half the length of the camera itself.  Haven't used it but it came highly recommended.

EDIT: and I just measured with a ruler, it is 2.75" long, not 2" like the specs say on bandh.  The thing is massive.

EDIT#2: Still looking for a wide lense if anyone has anyone recs?
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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2009, 06:27:19 PM »

What kind of manual settings do you guys use for concert shooting?  I have an HF10 and I'm going to shoot some concert footage...starts while it's still light outside, then continuing to dark.  When filming shows at night, what are some good settings to start with?

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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2009, 01:27:30 PM »
@fanofthemule,   are you wanting to use standard def or keep it HDV?If HDV than you will have m2t files.How will you deliver ?Bluray?I don't know off hand if movie studio handles hdv or not it should though.Mostly depends on your processor,you need 2.6ghz or better.What i would recommend is capture useing HDVsplit or the internal vegas capture.Render those m2t files to standard def widescreen,do all your edits and than replace the standard def with original m2t files.There are extra steps with HDV footage and you need a very fast computer.

My short term plan is to stick with the SD until the HD / bluray is more affordable.

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong with this process?

*  Capture the m2t file
*  Edit the m2t file
*  Render the final edit to SD widescreen
*  Burn to DVD

Would I just be able to save the final edit and render this to HD when it's more affordable?

Sorry to get off topic, I've done a lot of filming but no editing and need to get this process down.
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« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2009, 01:40:07 PM »
I can't get the M2T files to work with Vegas Movie Studio 8.0 or Pinnacle Studio Ultimate Version 12.  I can capture M2V files with the Pinnacle SUV12 software and author the footage with it, but I need to be able to capture the footage in a format that others can use it without hassle, and it seems like the M2T and M2V files cause a lot of hassles but the mpeg and avi files don't.

Has anyone used software to do these conversions?  The "Ultimate Video Converter" software looks like it would work but I'm not sure if this conversion causes any loss in quality.

http://www.m2vconverter.com/m2tconverter.htm

I forgot to mention my update with this.  I am able to capture the m2t files with hdvsplit and the files are now opening in Vegas Movie Studio 8.0 without a problem.  I am going to render some footage soon to see if I have the same problem mentioned above with Vegas stopping at 96% when rendering an m2t file.  Hopefully this will work, I'm ready to get some of this footage authored  :P
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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2009, 01:41:22 PM »
@pjdavep- It is best to be able to control shutter speed,iris,gain individually.But on the HV30 you can only lock one item unfortunately.First turn OFF image stabilizer....you may think why would i want to do that?It causes more problems than it's worth so just trust me.So what i do is ALWAYS lock the shutter(TV mode) to 60.To me in auto mode when the shutter drops to 30 imo is unuseable.So you can lock the shutter to 60 and use the one touch joystick to pull up the exposure and leave it open and adjust for the scene.If your wide most likely the singer will be super white...overexposed so lower the exposure until there is no overexposure.You can use the zebra stripes to help with judging,but i honestly don't use them myself.If you shoot alot of outdoor bright daytime stuff than you should get a 3.0 neutral density 43mm filter.Thats only for outdoor bright conditions though.Anyone else have some tips please share.
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« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2009, 02:21:40 PM »
@fanofthemule-

1) Capture .m2t file

2) In Vegas got to >File set project properties to 1440 x1080 60i. apply.

3) Render the untouched .m2t file to video for windows avi.template of 1080 60i Cineform Intermediate.(Why?....because .m2t files contain the GOP and splitting them directly is not adviseable as you'll have totally black sections in your final video.)

4)Use that intermediate for editing the quality is so good you don't need to worry about it.But the file size is very big...instead of about 13gb per hour of .m2t it is about 60gb per hour for intermediate.

5)Decide on final output....render to sd widescreeen after your all done editing.And print back to HDV tape as .mt2.Done! you have both sd and hdv.And you can clear your harddrive space.
The.m2t is just a way to get the info to your computer...you must use the intermediate for any serious editing.Hopefully vegas movie studio has the cineform intermediate....it should.Let me know.

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« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2009, 01:11:36 PM »
@fanofthemule-

1) Capture .m2t file

2) In Vegas got to >File set project properties to 1440 x1080 60i. apply.

3) Render the untouched .m2t file to video for windows avi.template of 1080 60i Cineform Intermediate.(Why?....because .m2t files contain the GOP and splitting them directly is not adviseable as you'll have totally black sections in your final video.)

4)Use that intermediate for editing the quality is so good you don't need to worry about it.But the file size is very big...instead of about 13gb per hour of .m2t it is about 60gb per hour for intermediate.

5)Decide on final output....render to sd widescreeen after your all done editing.And print back to HDV tape as .mt2.Done! you have both sd and hdv.And you can clear your harddrive space.
The.m2t is just a way to get the info to your computer...you must use the intermediate for any serious editing.Hopefully vegas movie studio has the cineform intermediate....it should.Let me know.

Thanks for the thorough response.  I'll try this later today and see what questions I have then.
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« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2009, 02:13:27 PM »
I am converting to SD then editing - its just faster given the processing power req'd for editing HD. Worse for me as I am dealing w/AVCHD


@fanofthemule,   are you wanting to use standard def or keep it HDV?If HDV than you will have m2t files.How will you deliver ?Bluray?I don't know off hand if movie studio handles hdv or not it should though.Mostly depends on your processor,you need 2.6ghz or better.What i would recommend is capture useing HDVsplit or the internal vegas capture.Render those m2t files to standard def widescreen,do all your edits and than replace the standard def with original m2t files.There are extra steps with HDV footage and you need a very fast computer.

My short term plan is to stick with the SD until the HD / bluray is more affordable.

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong with this process?

*  Capture the m2t file
*  Edit the m2t file
*  Render the final edit to SD widescreen
*  Burn to DVD

Would I just be able to save the final edit and render this to HD when it's more affordable?

Sorry to get off topic, I've done a lot of filming but no editing and need to get this process down.

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« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2009, 02:15:59 PM »
first screenshot looks like something I shot earleier in the week.
I was surprised it seemed to look darker than what I remembered it being looking at the stage with my own eyes.

Was trying a new HF-20 Canon and cant tell if its was really that dark or if its the cam


I capture in Ulead Video Studio and it captures in mpeg format for HDV (around 12gb per 60min).

I filmed Metallica recently with my new HV20 and it came out excellent. It was stealth but I'm happy with the results. I now can't wait until the summer when I'll film some bands with permission and tripod!!

A HD sample can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6-tBYV0aiw&fmt=22

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« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2009, 11:36:47 AM »
@pjdavep- It is best to be able to control shutter speed,iris,gain individually.But on the HV30 you can only lock one item unfortunately.First turn OFF image stabilizer....you may think why would i want to do that?It causes more problems than it's worth so just trust me.So what i do is ALWAYS lock the shutter(TV mode) to 60.To me in auto mode when the shutter drops to 30 imo is unuseable.So you can lock the shutter to 60 and use the one touch joystick to pull up the exposure and leave it open and adjust for the scene.If your wide most likely the singer will be super white...overexposed so lower the exposure until there is no overexposure.You can use the zebra stripes to help with judging,but i honestly don't use them myself.If you shoot alot of outdoor bright daytime stuff than you should get a 3.0 neutral density 43mm filter.Thats only for outdoor bright conditions though.Anyone else have some tips please share.

Thanks for the tips.  My show was this past weekend (NIN/JA).  I used Tv mode, locked to 60, and manually changed the exposure.  I didn't do too well with the exposure, as I had a hard time figuring out which way to go with it...little more...little less...etc..  ;D   However, I did use the image stabilizer.  I wasn't using a tripod and my tests at home showed that I couldn't keep my hands still enough to have the stabilizer off.   

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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2009, 07:06:45 PM »
first screenshot looks like something I shot earleier in the week.
I was surprised it seemed to look darker than what I remembered it being looking at the stage with my own eyes.

Was trying a new HF-20 Canon and cant tell if its was really that dark or if its the cam


I capture in Ulead Video Studio and it captures in mpeg format for HDV (around 12gb per 60min).

I filmed Metallica recently with my new HV20 and it came out excellent. It was stealth but I'm happy with the results. I now can't wait until the summer when I'll film some bands with permission and tripod!!

A HD sample can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6-tBYV0aiw&fmt=22

Some screens:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/Simon_LDT/vlcsnap-11959.png




Well, the main difference is that a camera will never give you the same results as what your eyes see at a show. Also, if the lighting is low the image will be dark. I guess you manually set the exposure? I set mine really low (-33) using the 'double click trick' on the joystick. I only do that because from that point it doesn't add any gain. The problem then is if a show is poorly lit it WILL be too dark, so when I shoot in those situations I have to add a bit of gain, but the screens I posted above were shot in brilliant light and no gain added by the cam.
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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2009, 10:38:27 AM »
HV20 user since July 2007.

But honestly, experience is everything. There is little benefit in asking other people for settings or read stuff on forums. Go shoot stuff and learn from it. The HV20 is a little bulky and heavy, so it's harder to stealth, but that's the only downside imho.
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« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2009, 03:20:18 PM »
The HV20 is a little bulky and heavy, so it's harder to stealth, but that's the only downside imho.

For me, I like a heavy camera for stealthing.  By resting it on my lap and shooting the show, I get a much steadier shot with a heavy cam.  These ultra-modern, super-lightweight cams are much harder to hold steady for me.
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« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2009, 04:29:17 PM »
I am trying to capture video from my Canon HV-20 using Sony Vegas 9 Platinum, however, it creates numerous 1 second long files instead of capyuring the whole video in one large file.

is there something wrong with my settings that is causing this?


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« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2009, 07:33:12 PM »
I am trying to capture video from my Canon HV-20 using Sony Vegas 9 Platinum, however, it creates numerous 1 second long files instead of capyuring the whole video in one large file.

is there something wrong with my settings that is causing this?


Need more info.

Explain the entire process that you're using to include specs for the equipment.
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« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2009, 07:45:38 PM »
Need more info.

Explain the entire process that you're using to include specs for the equipment.

do you have either yahoo or gmail IM? if so, maybe we can setup a time and go through the settings with you.

I have connected the HV-20 through firewire and am trying to transfer HDV.

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« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2009, 08:42:26 AM »
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« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2009, 02:56:44 PM »
Here's one i shot last week in manual mode with the hv30.Watch the HD version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUsPpGvWIq4

 

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