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Offline Todd R

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I just got my Naiant littlebox a couple days ago and ran it last night for STS9.  I decided to not waste any time and to do a comp right out of the gate.  Discussions of the just-released Naiant littlebox preamp can be found in these threads:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,122871.0.html
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,118862.0.html
And more on the Naiant website:
http://www.naiant.com/studiostore/microphoneamplifiers.html

Jon at Naiant (mshilarious here on ts.com) can custom configure quite a lot with his littlebox preamps.  I should note that his standard design is to use an Analog Devices op amp, but I asked that he use a Burr-Brown instrumentation amp in the design (INA111).  The Burr-Brown amp he used is in the same family as the Burr-Brown amp used by the Lunatec V3, but is a lower power version.  I wanted to compare the littlebox to the V3 for this reason, and also because I ran the V3 for 6 or 7 years and am very familiar with it.  The littlebox certainly wins on price and size, and battery power since mine is configured with an internal battery that should last for at least 10-12 hours when running phantom power at 48v.  For mics that will allow it, it can run at 20v phantom, and will have much longer runtimes this way.

For the comparison, I borrowed a friends pair of Gefell m210's and his Lunatec V3 (which had been my V3 for many years  :'( ), and those together with my Gefell m210's and littlebox were used to run a comp of the littlebox compared to the V3 using my Oade-mod R44 as a recorder.  All 4 mics were on the same t-bar within an inch or so of each other, both mic pairs in same pattern, same stand, etc, etc.  I really would have liked to switch which particular mic pair went with which preamp at set break, but unfortunately STS9 only played one set.  Mic cables were all copper cables (though one pair belden and one pair canare), and all interconnects were teflon-jacketed silver-clad copper.  All 4 channels on the Oade R44 were modded the same, to the best of my knowledge.  So it wasn't a perfect comp, but pretty close.  Next time around I'd like to be able to switch up the gefell m210 pairs, but hopefully all 4 of the mics used are fairly well matched.

Anyway, that is the big backstory since most people aren't probably too familiar with the Naiant littlebox.  I'd really like to hear people's thoughts on this preamp comp.  I've put together two different tracks as part of the comp, with the tracks simply listed as pre1, pre2, pre3, pre4.  There are only two preamps used, but since there are 2 tracks, I labeled them all separately.

The comp flac files (16bit) are available off megaupload here:  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=X8VEWS8Q

Please post your thoughts!!
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Re: Preamp Comp: Naiant littlebox ($179) vs. Grace Lunatec V3 ($1525)
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2009, 06:07:08 AM »
Nice comp and nice recordings, thanks!

I prefer pre2 and pre4. I'd describe that sound as more laid back yet detailed, more lush, versus a more forward, brittle sound on pre1&3. I have to assume 2&4 are the V3. If not, I'd say Naiant's David has slayed Grace's Goliath. 1&3 are also very good though, so considering the price difference this is almost true regardless!

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Re: Preamp Comp: Naiant littlebox ($179) vs. Grace Lunatec V3 ($1525)
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2009, 09:36:33 AM »
I like 3 and 2. Not sure why. 3&2 seem to have more of a  full body sound to me.  Though I think both sound great! I'm sure I would be happy with either if i had one of them.

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Re: Preamp Comp: Naiant littlebox ($179) vs. Grace Lunatec V3 ($1525)
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2009, 09:55:02 AM »
I like 3 and 2. Not sure why. 3&2 seem to have more of a  full body sound to me.  Though I think both sound great! I'm sure I would be happy with either if i had one of them.
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Re: Preamp Comp: Naiant littlebox ($179) vs. Grace Lunatec V3 ($1525)
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2009, 11:27:06 AM »
track 1 - i like how 2 seems to hold it together a little more in the low low. punchier where 1 is fuller.
track 2 - "             3         "                        "                                "                               4           "
 
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Re: Preamp Comp: Naiant littlebox ($179) vs. Grace Lunatec V3 ($1525)
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2009, 11:55:02 AM »
I hear sources #1 and #4 as the same pre-amp.
So, a assume that #2 and #3 are the same pre-amp.

On this source material I like #2 and #3 better. They sound more open, with a better sound stage. Not as dark as #1 and #4.
I can see liking #1 and #4 better if the source was acoustic or was less bass heavy.
 
I hear a slightly right sound stage bias in sources #1 and #4, too.  That may account for my hearing #2 and #3 as have a wider sound stage.

Great comp Todd!
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Re: Preamp Comp: Naiant littlebox ($179) vs. Grace Lunatec V3 ($1525)
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2009, 02:42:37 PM »
Wow both sound really good!

I hear sources #1 and #4 as the same pre-amp.
So, a assume that #2 and #3 are the same pre-amp.

On this source material I like #2 and #3 better.

^ I agree.

Interesting to see how this comp plays out. Thanks for the comparisons Todd!
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Re: Preamp Comp: Naiant littlebox ($179) vs. Grace Lunatec V3 ($1525)
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2009, 05:52:46 PM »
I will say one thing.....there is much difference......wait a 1346$ difference....that's incredible 
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Re: Preamp Comp: Naiant littlebox ($179) vs. Grace Lunatec V3 ($1525)
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2009, 07:11:32 PM »
I'd give the nod to 2&3 as well - they seem just a tad brighter, particularly when things are quiet. I also noticed the rightward bias in 1&4 - a little bit of postprocessing could clean that up. I'm wondering if that might be microphone or cable variations? I'm a bit of a cable skeptic myself, though...

I'd be quite happy to have either preamp, though. Even though I'm not sure which one is which yet, I'm damn impressed, even if the littlebox turned out to be 1&4.

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Re: Preamp Comp: Naiant littlebox ($179) vs. Grace Lunatec V3 ($1525)
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2009, 07:34:04 PM »
I'm in on preferring 2/3 sound

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Re: Preamp Comp: Naiant littlebox ($179) vs. Grace Lunatec V3 ($1525)
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2009, 08:08:58 PM »
Todd if you decide to sell it. PM me

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Re: Preamp Comp: Naiant littlebox ($179) vs. Grace Lunatec V3 ($1525)
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2009, 11:02:21 PM »
Buy one from Jon. The price is right...
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Re: Preamp Comp: Naiant littlebox ($179) vs. Grace Lunatec V3 ($1525)
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2009, 12:54:51 AM »
I liked 2&3 clearer in the mids and not rolled of at the top. 2&3 sounded louder to me also?

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Re: Preamp Comp: Naiant littlebox ($179) vs. Grace Lunatec V3 ($1525)
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2009, 02:01:14 AM »
I like 2 and 4. 

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Re: Preamp Comp: Naiant littlebox ($179) vs. Grace Lunatec V3 ($1525)
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2009, 08:23:14 AM »
2 and 3 have my pick!

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