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AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - A Comparison
« on: October 01, 2009, 08:40:53 PM »
I have been meaning to post this for awhile now.

http://www.archive.org/details/gpdgs2009-04-26.akg481.vs.akg461.comp.flac24

Source #1: AKG c480b/ck61 > Edirol R-4 Busman T-Mod(24/48)
Source #2: AKG c460b/ck61 > Edirol R-4 Busman T-Mod(24/48)

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Date: April 26, 2009
Venue: UNH Solarfest
Location: Durham, NH
Song: Black Toke

Both microphones were on the same stand in a DIN configuration roughly 9' high, about 40' from the stage and dead center (as shown in the photo).

The sources switch every 10 seconds starting with the 480's the the 460's and continues switching every 10 seconds through the whole song.

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« Last Edit: October 03, 2009, 01:16:47 PM by tgakidis »
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2009, 09:01:31 PM »
dude, this isn't a fair comp.  Those right-angled Neutriks sound way better than the straight xlrs.   


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Nice comp, listening now, will update with opinion....
edit: The sources sound similar to me.  I found it difficult to comp in this format.  It was annoying to keep track of the 10sec intervals...
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2009, 09:54:30 PM »
The sources sound similar to me.

That is kind of the point.  They are some what similar.  If you listen really hard with a good set of cans you will pick up the bright crisp highs of the 480's, especially in the snare and vocals.  You will also pick up the deep fat tone of the 460's.  Download the file and take a look at the wave form and you can get a better picture of the differences.

I found it difficult to comp in this format.  It was annoying to keep track of the 10sec intervals.

Longer itervals would not bring out the soubtle differences.  When listening just think 480 = even double digits (20-29, 40-49, etc) and 460 = odd double digits (10-19, 30-39, etc).
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2009, 10:03:57 PM »
dude, this isn't a fair comp.  Those right-angled Neutriks sound way better than the straight xlrs.   


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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2009, 10:04:09 PM »
I haven't listened yet...  but that's a real nice lookin pic Ted!
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2009, 11:13:11 PM »
The sources sound similar to me.

That is kind of the point.  They are some what similar.  If you listen really hard with a good set of cans you will pick up the bright crisp highs of the 480's, especially in the snare and vocals.  You will also pick up the deep fat tone of the 460's.  Download the file and take a look at the wave form and you can get a better picture of the differences.

I caught the difference once in the highs. I heard the trademark sizzle of the 480s once around the 0:43 mark or so, first vocal set I think. I couldn't discern a difference in the bottom end though.
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2009, 11:17:04 PM »
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When listening just think 480 = even double digits (20-29, 40-49, etc) and 460 = odd double digits (10-19, 30-39, etc).

this is helpfull, thanks!  I feel kinda stupid, I was never good at math!   :)
I can tell the difference, but not enough to make a strong opinion.   I have listened on a nice headphone Dt880 and a nice monitor system...
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2009, 11:22:34 PM »
dude, this isn't a fair comp.  Those right-angled Neutriks sound way better than the straight xlrs.   
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2009, 12:12:18 PM »
Thanks Ted.
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2009, 01:18:18 PM »
When I listen in the 2:00-3:00 range... at 2:10-2:20 and 2:30-2:40 etc, I can hear it sound slightly fatter, especially in the right channel.  Enough that if you close your eyes and just listen and don't look at the clock, you can tell when it switches.  It's possible that the right channel is a tiny bit louder on those samples which will play games with your mind, but it doesn't "look louder" in Audacity.

Overall the difference is slight.  If your average listening environment is a typical car or set of computer speakers you will never hear it.
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2009, 03:43:22 PM »
This is great Ted!  Thanks..have wanted to hear a good comp...
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2009, 08:59:16 PM »
these are stock 460s right?

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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2009, 09:05:21 PM »
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2009, 09:12:30 PM »
cool. getting ready to check it out now. thanks!

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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2009, 10:56:49 PM »
For a PA recording, outdoors with significantly dense windscreens that roll off the high end and negatively effect the frequency response of the mic I would imagine the sound would be similar.
It would be better to compare them on a grand piano, OH, or at least a 2 point stereo recording under better condition, i.e., indoors with accoustic music.

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